What problem with play calling?

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from prolate0spheroid. Show prolate0spheroid's posts

    What problem with play calling?

    Here you go Coolade . . . you asked for the play by play.  Here are all 12 Pats' drives. I see nothing wrong with this.  What did you think wasn't good?

     

     

     

    1st Quarter

    New England Patriots at 15:00

    9-J.Tucker kicks 65 yards from BAL 35 to NE 0. 34-S.Vereen to NE 22 for 22 yards (23-Ch.Brown).

    1-10-NE 22(14:53) 29-L.Blount left tackle to NE 27 for 5 yards (92-H.Ngata; 97-A.Jones).2-5-NE 27(14:19) 29-L.Blount right tackle to NE 27 for no gain (97-A.Jones).3-5-NE 27(13:37) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short right to 11-J.Edelman (58-E.Dumervil).4-5-NE 27(13:32) (Punt formation) 6-R.Allen punts 60 yards to BAL 13, Center-48-D.Aiken. 12-J.Jones to BAL 31 for 18 yards (18-M.Slater). PENALTY on BAL-22-J.Smith, Personal Foul, 6 yards, enforced at BAL 13.

    New England Patriots at 12:26

    1-10-NE 36(12:26) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete deep middle to 17-A.Dobson (21-L.Webb).2-10-NE 36(12:18) 29-L.Blount left tackle to NE 50 for 14 yards (22-J.Smith; 53-J.McClain).1-10-NE 50(11:34) 34-S.Vereen left tackle to BAL 46 for 4 yards (55-T.Suggs; 92-H.Ngata).2-6-BAL 46(11:02) 34-S.Vereen right tackle to BAL 44 for 2 yards (53-J.McClain). No. 51 - D. Smith (BAL) injured on play.3-4-BAL 44(10:30) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short left to 47-M.Hoomanawanui to BAL 35 for 9 yards (53-J.McClain).1-10-BAL 35(9:52) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete deep middle to 11-J.Edelman. PENALTY on BAL-22-J.Smith, Defensive Pass Interference, 34 yards, enforced at BAL 35 - No Play.1-1-BAL 1(9:45) 29-L.Blount right tackle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

    3-S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-48-D.Aiken, Holder-6-R.Allen.

    NE 7    BAL 0    Plays: 6    Possession: 2:47

    New England Patriots at 08:17

    1-10-NE 47(8:17) 22-S.Ridley right end to NE 50 for 3 yards (21-L.Webb).2-7-NE 50(7:41) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to 11-J.Edelman. PENALTY on BAL-21-L.Webb, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at NE 50 - No Play.1-10-BAL 45(7:34) 22-S.Ridley right guard to BAL 38 for 7 yards (62-T.Cody).2-3-BAL 38(7:03) 22-S.Ridley left tackle to BAL 40 for -2 yards (97-A.Jones).3-5-BAL 40(6:26) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short middle to 80-D.Amendola to BAL 6 for 34 yards (51-D.Smith).

    Timeout #1 by NE at 05:35.

    1-6-BAL 6(5:35) 22-S.Ridley right tackle to BAL 4 for 2 yards (92-H.Ngata; 32-J.Ihedigbo).2-4-BAL 4(4:56) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short right to 34-S.Vereen for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

    3-S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-48-D.Aiken, Holder-6-R.Allen.

    NE 14    BAL 0    Plays: 6    Possession: 3:26

    New England Patriots at 02:18

    1-10-NE 36(2:18) 12-T.Brady pass deep middle to 11-J.Edelman to BAL 47 for 17 yards (32-J.Ihedigbo).1-10-BAL 47(1:50) 29-L.Blount left tackle to BAL 36 for 11 yards (51-D.Smith; 26-M.Elam).1-10-BAL 36(1:18) (No Huddle) 29-L.Blount right tackle to BAL 39 for -3 yards (55-T.Suggs).2-13-BAL 39(:44) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to 34-S.Vereen. Penalty on NE, Illegal Shift, declined. no number given3-13-BAL 39(:37) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short right to 38-B.Bolden to BAL 27 for 12 yards (51-D.Smith).

    END QUARTER 1

    NE 17    BAL 0    Plays: 6    Possession: 2:23

    2nd Quarter

    New England Patriots continues ...

    4-1-BAL 27(15:00) (Field Goal formation) 3-S.Gostkowski 45 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-48-D.Aiken, Holder-6-R.Allen.

    New England Patriots at 11:55

    1-10-NE 19(11:55) 22-S.Ridley right guard to NE 25 for 6 yards (53-J.McClain; 97-A.Jones).

    Timeout #1 by BAL at 11:20.

    2-4-NE 25(11:20) 12-T.Brady pass short middle to 11-J.Edelman to NE 33 for 8 yards (22-J.Smith).1-10-NE 33(10:49) 22-S.Ridley right end to NE 35 for 2 yards (92-H.Ngata; 97-A.Jones).2-8-NE 35(10:14) 12-T.Brady pass short left to 11-J.Edelman to NE 36 for 1 yard (26-M.Elam). PENALTY on BAL-97-A.Jones, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at NE 35 - No Play.1-10-NE 40(9:49) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to 38-B.Bolden (92-H.Ngata).2-10-NE 40(9:44) (Shotgun) 38-B.Bolden right guard to NE 46 for 6 yards (97-A.Jones).3-4-NE 46(9:02) (Shotgun) PENALTY on NE-61-M.Cannon, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at NE 46 - No Play.3-9-NE 41(8:38) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady sacked at NE 33 for -8 yards (sack split by 91-C.Upshaw and 51-D.Smith). BAL penalized for Def. Holding but officials picked up flag. No jersey number identified.4-17-NE 33(8:21) (Punt formation) 6-R.Allen punts 59 yards to BAL 8, Center-48-D.Aiken. 12-J.Jones to BAL 10 for 2 yards (18-M.Slater).

    New England Patriots at 04:30

    1-10-NE 20(4:30) 29-L.Blount right guard to NE 22 for 2 yards (93-D.Tyson).

    1. Timeout #2 by BAL at 03:52.

    2-8-NE 22(3:52) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass deep middle to 11-J.Edelman to NE 41 for 19 yards (26-M.Elam).1-10-NE 41(3:23) 29-L.Blount right guard to NE 44 for 3 yards (55-T.Suggs; 92-H.Ngata).2-7-NE 44(2:51) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short middle to 80-D.Amendola to BAL 45 for 11 yards (53-J.McClain). FUMBLES (53-J.McClain), RECOVERED by BAL-21-L.Webb at BAL 44. 21-L.Webb to NE 37 for 19 yards (29-L.Blount). The Replay Assistant challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short middle to 80-D.Amendola to BAL 45 for 11 yards (53-J.McClain).1-10-BAL 45(2:29) 29-L.Blount left guard to BAL 44 for 1 yard. PENALTY on NE-47-M.Hoomanawanui, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at BAL 45 - No Play.

    Two-Minute Warning

    1-20-NE 45(2:00) 29-L.Blount left guard to BAL 37 for 18 yards (26-M.Elam). PENALTY on NE-61-M.Cannon, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at NE 45 - No Play.1-30-NE 35(1:54) 29-L.Blount right tackle to NE 49 for 14 yards (21-L.Webb; 51-D.Smith).2-16-NE 49(1:21) 29-L.Blount left guard to BAL 42 for 9 yards (32-J.Ihedigbo).

    Timeout #2 by NE at 00:35.

    3-7-BAL 42(:35) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to 17-A.Dobson [55-T.Suggs]. Penalty on NE-67-J.Kline, Offensive Holding, declined.4-7-BAL 42(:31) (Punt formation) 6-R.Allen punts 31 yards to BAL 11, Center-48-D.Aiken, fair catch by 21-L.Webb. PENALTY on BAL-90-P.McPhee, Running Into the Kicker, 5 yards, enforced at BAL 42 - No Play.4-2-BAL 37(:25) (Shotgun) PENALTY on NE-62-R.Wendell, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at BAL 37 - No Play.4-7-BAL 42(:25) (Punt formation) 6-R.Allen punts 42 yards to end zone, Center-48-D.Aiken, Touchback. PENALTY on NE-23-M.Cole, Illegal Touch Kick, 0 yards, enforced at BAL 20.

    3rd Quarter

    New England Patriots at 12:17

    1-10-NE 39(12:17) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short right to 11-J.Edelman.2-10-NE 39(12:15) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete deep right to 17-A.Dobson.3-10-NE 39(12:05) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to 80-D.Amendola.4-10-NE 39(12:01) (Punt formation) 6-R.Allen punts 54 yards to BAL 7, Center-48-D.Aiken. 12-J.Jones to BAL 19 for 12 yards (91-J.Collins).

    New England Patriots at 10:25

    1-10-BAL 43(10:25) 22-S.Ridley right tackle to BAL 42 for 1 yard (92-H.Ngata; 99-C.Canty).2-9-BAL 42(9:51) 22-S.Ridley left guard to BAL 37 for 5 yards (97-A.Jones).3-4-BAL 37(9:13) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short left to 11-J.Edelman pushed ob at BAL 30 for 7 yards (22-J.Smith).1-10-BAL 30(8:54) 22-S.Ridley left tackle to BAL 27 for 3 yards (97-A.Jones; 62-T.Cody).2-7-BAL 27(8:11) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to 22-S.Ridley (51-D.Smith).3-7-BAL 27(8:03) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short middle to 11-J.Edelman to BAL 24 for 3 yards (51-D.Smith). No. 62 - Wendell (NE) injured on play.4-4-BAL 24(7:20) (Field Goal formation) 3-S.Gostkowski 42 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-48-D.Aiken, Holder-6-R.Allen.

    NE 20    BAL 0    Plays: 7    Possession: 3:10

    New England Patriots at 02:56

    1-10-NE 4(2:56) 29-L.Blount up the middle to NE 4 for no gain (93-D.Tyson).2-10-NE 4(2:14) 12-T.Brady pass short right to 11-J.Edelman to NE 12 for 8 yards (21-L.Webb).3-2-NE 12(1:44) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady sacked at NE 6 for -6 yards (55-T.Suggs).4-8-NE 6(1:12) (Punt formation) 6-R.Allen punts 54 yards to BAL 40, Center-48-D.Aiken. 12-J.Jones pushed ob at NE 38 for 22 yards (6-R.Allen).

    4th Quarter

    New England Patriots at 14:19

    1-10-NE 27(14:19) 12-T.Brady pass short right to 11-J.Edelman to NE 42 for 15 yards (26-M.Elam).1-10-NE 42(13:40) 12-T.Brady pass deep middle to 17-A.Dobson to BAL 37 for 21 yards (22-J.Smith).1-10-BAL 37(13:03) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to 11-J.Edelman.2-10-BAL 37(12:57) (Shotgun) 29-L.Blount right guard to BAL 35 for 2 yards (53-J.McClain; 51-D.Smith).3-8-BAL 35(12:19) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short left to 38-B.Bolden.4-8-BAL 35(12:15) (Punt formation) 6-R.Allen punts 25 yards to BAL 10, Center-48-D.Aiken, fair catch by 21-L.Webb.

    New England Patriots at 09:21

    9-J.Tucker kicks 74 yards from BAL 35 to NE -9. 80-D.Amendola, Touchback.

    1-10-NE 20(9:21) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete deep right to 11-J.Edelman.2-10-NE 20(9:17) 22-S.Ridley left guard to NE 25 for 5 yards (51-D.Smith; 53-J.McClain).3-5-NE 25(8:44) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short middle to 38-B.Bolden to NE 29 for 4 yards (21-L.Webb).4-1-NE 29(8:04) (Punt formation) 6-R.Allen punts 40 yards to BAL 31, Center-48-D.Aiken, out of bounds.

    New England Patriots at 06:37

    1-10-BAL 48(6:37) 22-S.Ridley left guard to BAL 45 for 3 yards (55-T.Suggs; 51-D.Smith).2-7-BAL 45(5:56) 22-S.Ridley left tackle to BAL 37 for 8 yards (51-D.Smith; 26-M.Elam).1-10-BAL 37(5:13) 22-S.Ridley left guard to BAL 36 for 1 yard (93-D.Tyson).2-9-BAL 36(4:34) 29-L.Blount left end ran ob at BAL 28 for 8 yards (51-D.Smith).3-1-BAL 28(4:27) 29-L.Blount right guard to BAL 26 for 2 yards (53-J.McClain; 91-C.Upshaw).1-10-BAL 26(3:44) 22-S.Ridley left tackle to BAL 24 for 2 yards (26-M.Elam; 62-T.Cody).2-8-BAL 24(3:04) 22-S.Ridley left tackle to BAL 16 for 8 yards (26-M.Elam; 32-J.Ihedigbo).1-10-BAL 16(2:18) 29-L.Blount left tackle to BAL 15 for 1 yard (58-E.Dumervil; 99-C.Canty). PENALTY on BAL-21-L.Webb, Personal Foul, 8 yards, enforced at BAL 15.1-7-BAL 7(2:10) 29-L.Blount left guard for 7 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

    3-S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-48-D.Aiken, Holder-6-R.Allen.

    NE 27    BAL 7    Plays: 9    Possession: 4:32

     
  2. You have chosen to ignore posts from ccnsd. Show ccnsd's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    I don't recall any bad play calls. I thought the Ravens got good pressure and the Pats played consevative. My only complaint was Bolden not running past the first down marker on a completed pass but who knows where he was supposed to be. The Raven tackler made a good play and prevented YAC. They did it to Edleman earlier also. I only counted 2 drops today so that was also nice.

     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from prolate0spheroid. Show prolate0spheroid's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    In response to ccnsd's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    I don't recall any bad play calls. I thought the Ravens got good pressure and the Pats played consevative. My only complaint was Bolden not running past the first down marker on a completed pass but who knows where he was supposed to be. The Raven tackler made a good play and prevented YAC. They did it to Edleman earlier also. I only counted 2 drops today so that was also nice.

    [/QUOTE]

    I thought the play calling was very good.  Coolade, though, thought otherwise and asked me to post the play by play so he could show where it went off course.  A couple of other posters are saying we got away from the run too much in the second half.  Honestly, I think a lot of that was situational.  You also can't run all the time.  I think earlier in the second half they wanted to experiment with more passing, saving the heavy run until later in the game.  I don't see a problem with that.  

     
  4. You have chosen to ignore posts from ccnsd. Show ccnsd's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    Monday morning quarterbacks are kings around here. Every incomplete pass would have been a first down run and every run that fails would have been a succesful pass if they had only ran the right play. There are a lot of unemployed offensive coordinators hanging around these boards.

     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from freediro. Show freediro's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    It's not always just about how many rushes or passes, many times it's about the type of rushes and passes that are called. Overall today was much much better than most games this season, but from the the start of the 2nd half till about 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter our offense struggled to produce. It looked nothing like the offense that started hot in the 1st half. I'll have to watch the game again for more details, but during that 1.5 quarters in the 2nd half the quality of play calling was subpar. 

    Can you always get them all, no, but at times it looked like the offensive schemes were very questionable. It was nice to see us get back to the run late in the 4th quarter and once again it worked! I can't wait till KT and AD are completey healthy to give us better consistent down field options.

     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from ccsjl. Show ccsjl's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    See what happens when give RUNNING a chance when in goal to go situations.....YOU score TDs!

     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from 49Patriots. Show 49Patriots's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    Trying to throw when the passing game isn't working. The reporter said Brady and Edelman worked out together a lot this summer, the chemistry between them is showing off. Brady needs to do the same with the other guys because he's out of rythm with Dobson (Again), Boyce and Thompkins.

     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from rtuinila. Show rtuinila's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    In response to freediro's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    It's not always just about how many rushes or passes, many times it's about the type of rushes and passes that are called. Overall today was much much better than most games this season, but from the the start of the 2nd half till about 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter our offense struggled to produce. It looked nothing like the offense that started hot in the 1st half. I'll have to watch the game again for more details, but during that 1.5 quarters in the 2nd half the quality of play calling was subpar. 

    Can you always get them all, no, but at times it looked like the offensive schemes were very questionable. It was nice to see us get back to the run late in the 4th quarter and once again it worked! I can't wait till KT and AD are completey healthy to give us better consistent down field options.

    [/QUOTE]


    I think during that 1.5 quarters, the Pats braintrust went away from the run and the O-line suddenly got very porous. Did the Pats change blocking schemes or did someone get injured but stay on the field?

     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from mbeaulieu07. Show mbeaulieu07's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    The Patriots score 27 offensive points against a top 10 D, on the road, without Gronk and some fans are still complain about the play calling... hilarious.

     

     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from ATJ. Show ATJ's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    In response to mbeaulieu07's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    The Patriots score 27 offensive points against a top 10 D, on the road, without Gronk and some fans still complain about the play calling... hilarious. 

    [/QUOTE]

    Have you forgotten, sir, that this is the BDC New England Patriots forum?

     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from prolate0spheroid. Show prolate0spheroid's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    In response to rtuinila's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to freediro's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    It's not always just about how many rushes or passes, many times it's about the type of rushes and passes that are called. Overall today was much much better than most games this season, but from the the start of the 2nd half till about 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter our offense struggled to produce. It looked nothing like the offense that started hot in the 1st half. I'll have to watch the game again for more details, but during that 1.5 quarters in the 2nd half the quality of play calling was subpar. 

    Can you always get them all, no, but at times it looked like the offensive schemes were very questionable. It was nice to see us get back to the run late in the 4th quarter and once again it worked! I can't wait till KT and AD are completey healthy to give us better consistent down field options.

    [/QUOTE]


    I think during that 1.5 quarters, the Pats braintrust went away from the run and the O-line suddenly got very porous. Did the Pats change blocking schemes or did someone get injured but stay on the field?

    [/QUOTE]

    Don't discount the Ravens making adjustments too.  I actually don't think they ever abandoned the run. I just think that they got in more situations where passing made more sense.  The fact is, what happens on first down determines a lot of what is likely to happen next.  If you get two yards or less on first down, you are almost certain to throw more.  

    I'll have to look at the film to really understand what was going on on, but in the early part of the second half, they had more incompletions when they passed and also more short runs.  A lot of that likely had to do with Ravens making some adjustments.  

    People focus on the passsing, but their runs in the second half before the last drive went for 1, 5, 3, 0, 2, and 5 yards. The thing that allowed them to sustain the run in the first half  were longer runs on first or second down and also key pass completions after short runs when they needed more yards.  In the third quarter, their runs were shorter and they weren't getting the key completions.  

     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from glenr. Show glenr's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    The play calling was fine yesterday. The only issue was that I saw was that the offense seemed lost when Vereen went out. Obviously he was a big part of the game plan. That said both the offense and defense did something I haven't seen much of this year. They put together a long clock killing drive and a key defensive stop in the 4th quarter

     
  13. You have chosen to ignore posts from agcsbill. Show agcsbill's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    If the Pats had, somehow, lost this game with the same play calling and run to passing ratio, a lot of folks would be screaming about it.  But, they won!  Why not accept the fact the team won the game and the game plan and play calling worked THIS GAME.  Every game is different.  Rusty complains when Brady throws 50 times and the team still won.  This is an amazing fan base.

     
  14. You have chosen to ignore posts from agcsbill. Show agcsbill's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    In response to freediro's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    It's not always just about how many rushes or passes, many times it's about the type of rushes and passes that are called. Overall today was much much better than most games this season, but from the the start of the 2nd half till about 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter our offense struggled to produce. It looked nothing like the offense that started hot in the 1st half. I'll have to watch the game again for more details, but during that 1.5 quarters in the 2nd half the quality of play calling was subpar. 

    [/QUOTE]

    What I noticed, especially on the pass plays, the receivers were not getting down field beyond the 1st down marker.  There were an unusual amount of passes in which the route undercut the first down line when the receiver, clearly, could have gone the 1 - 2 yards further down field to get a reception which would have gotten the first down.

     
  15. You have chosen to ignore posts from NoMorePensionLooting. Show NoMorePensionLooting's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    In response to agcsbill's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to freediro's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    It's not always just about how many rushes or passes, many times it's about the type of rushes and passes that are called. Overall today was much much better than most games this season, but from the the start of the 2nd half till about 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter our offense struggled to produce. It looked nothing like the offense that started hot in the 1st half. I'll have to watch the game again for more details, but during that 1.5 quarters in the 2nd half the quality of play calling was subpar. 

    [/QUOTE]

    What I noticed, especially on the pass plays, the receivers were not getting down field beyond the 1st down marker.  There were an unusual amount of passes in which the route undercut the first down line when the receiver, clearly, could have gone the 1 - 2 yards further down field to get a reception which would have gotten the first down.

    [/QUOTE]


    Brady had to throw a bit quicker than intended therefore making it look that way. Brady was under pressure when the plays took longer than 3 sec to develop. The running game ruled the day and we ran more than we passed...can anyone remember the last time that happened.

     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from coolade2. Show coolade2's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Here you go Coolade . . . you asked for the play by play.  Here are all 12 Pats' drives. I see nothing wrong with this.  What did you think wasn't good?

     

     

     

    1st Quarter

    New England Patriots at 15:00

    9-J.Tucker kicks 65 yards from BAL 35 to NE 0. 34-S.Vereen to NE 22 for 22 yards (23-Ch.Brown).

    1-10-NE 22(14:53) 29-L.Blount left tackle to NE 27 for 5 yards (92-H.Ngata; 97-A.Jones).2-5-NE 27(14:19) 29-L.Blount right tackle to NE 27 for no gain (97-A.Jones).3-5-NE 27(13:37) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short right to 11-J.Edelman (58-E.Dumervil).4-5-NE 27(13:32) (Punt formation) 6-R.Allen punts 60 yards to BAL 13, Center-48-D.Aiken. 12-J.Jones to BAL 31 for 18 yards (18-M.Slater). PENALTY on BAL-22-J.Smith, Personal Foul, 6 yards, enforced at BAL 13.

    New England Patriots at 12:26

    1-10-NE 36(12:26) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete deep middle to 17-A.Dobson (21-L.Webb).2-10-NE 36(12:18) 29-L.Blount left tackle to NE 50 for 14 yards (22-J.Smith; 53-J.McClain).1-10-NE 50(11:34) 34-S.Vereen left tackle to BAL 46 for 4 yards (55-T.Suggs; 92-H.Ngata).2-6-BAL 46(11:02) 34-S.Vereen right tackle to BAL 44 for 2 yards (53-J.McClain). No. 51 - D. Smith (BAL) injured on play.3-4-BAL 44(10:30) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short left to 47-M.Hoomanawanui to BAL 35 for 9 yards (53-J.McClain).1-10-BAL 35(9:52) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete deep middle to 11-J.Edelman. PENALTY on BAL-22-J.Smith, Defensive Pass Interference, 34 yards, enforced at BAL 35 - No Play.1-1-BAL 1(9:45) 29-L.Blount right tackle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

    3-S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-48-D.Aiken, Holder-6-R.Allen.

    NE 7    BAL 0    Plays: 6    Possession: 2:47

    New England Patriots at 08:17

    1-10-NE 47(8:17) 22-S.Ridley right end to NE 50 for 3 yards (21-L.Webb).2-7-NE 50(7:41) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to 11-J.Edelman. PENALTY on BAL-21-L.Webb, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at NE 50 - No Play.1-10-BAL 45(7:34) 22-S.Ridley right guard to BAL 38 for 7 yards (62-T.Cody).2-3-BAL 38(7:03) 22-S.Ridley left tackle to BAL 40 for -2 yards (97-A.Jones).3-5-BAL 40(6:26) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short middle to 80-D.Amendola to BAL 6 for 34 yards (51-D.Smith).

    Timeout #1 by NE at 05:35.

    1-6-BAL 6(5:35) 22-S.Ridley right tackle to BAL 4 for 2 yards (92-H.Ngata; 32-J.Ihedigbo).2-4-BAL 4(4:56) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short right to 34-S.Vereen for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

    3-S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-48-D.Aiken, Holder-6-R.Allen.

    NE 14    BAL 0    Plays: 6    Possession: 3:26

    New England Patriots at 02:18

    1-10-NE 36(2:18) 12-T.Brady pass deep middle to 11-J.Edelman to BAL 47 for 17 yards (32-J.Ihedigbo).1-10-BAL 47(1:50) 29-L.Blount left tackle to BAL 36 for 11 yards (51-D.Smith; 26-M.Elam).1-10-BAL 36(1:18) (No Huddle) 29-L.Blount right tackle to BAL 39 for -3 yards (55-T.Suggs).2-13-BAL 39(:44) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to 34-S.Vereen. Penalty on NE, Illegal Shift, declined. no number given3-13-BAL 39(:37) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short right to 38-B.Bolden to BAL 27 for 12 yards (51-D.Smith).

    END QUARTER 1

    NE 17    BAL 0    Plays: 6    Possession: 2:23

    2nd Quarter

    New England Patriots continues ...

    4-1-BAL 27(15:00) (Field Goal formation) 3-S.Gostkowski 45 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-48-D.Aiken, Holder-6-R.Allen.

    New England Patriots at 11:55

    1-10-NE 19(11:55) 22-S.Ridley right guard to NE 25 for 6 yards (53-J.McClain; 97-A.Jones).

    Timeout #1 by BAL at 11:20.

    2-4-NE 25(11:20) 12-T.Brady pass short middle to 11-J.Edelman to NE 33 for 8 yards (22-J.Smith).1-10-NE 33(10:49) 22-S.Ridley right end to NE 35 for 2 yards (92-H.Ngata; 97-A.Jones).2-8-NE 35(10:14) 12-T.Brady pass short left to 11-J.Edelman to NE 36 for 1 yard (26-M.Elam). PENALTY on BAL-97-A.Jones, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at NE 35 - No Play.1-10-NE 40(9:49) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to 38-B.Bolden (92-H.Ngata).2-10-NE 40(9:44) (Shotgun) 38-B.Bolden right guard to NE 46 for 6 yards (97-A.Jones).3-4-NE 46(9:02) (Shotgun) PENALTY on NE-61-M.Cannon, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at NE 46 - No Play.3-9-NE 41(8:38) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady sacked at NE 33 for -8 yards (sack split by 91-C.Upshaw and 51-D.Smith). BAL penalized for Def. Holding but officials picked up flag. No jersey number identified.4-17-NE 33(8:21) (Punt formation) 6-R.Allen punts 59 yards to BAL 8, Center-48-D.Aiken. 12-J.Jones to BAL 10 for 2 yards (18-M.Slater).

    New England Patriots at 04:30

    1-10-NE 20(4:30) 29-L.Blount right guard to NE 22 for 2 yards (93-D.Tyson).

    1. Timeout #2 by BAL at 03:52.

    2-8-NE 22(3:52) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass deep middle to 11-J.Edelman to NE 41 for 19 yards (26-M.Elam).1-10-NE 41(3:23) 29-L.Blount right guard to NE 44 for 3 yards (55-T.Suggs; 92-H.Ngata).2-7-NE 44(2:51) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short middle to 80-D.Amendola to BAL 45 for 11 yards (53-J.McClain). FUMBLES (53-J.McClain), RECOVERED by BAL-21-L.Webb at BAL 44. 21-L.Webb to NE 37 for 19 yards (29-L.Blount). The Replay Assistant challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short middle to 80-D.Amendola to BAL 45 for 11 yards (53-J.McClain).1-10-BAL 45(2:29) 29-L.Blount left guard to BAL 44 for 1 yard. PENALTY on NE-47-M.Hoomanawanui, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at BAL 45 - No Play.

    Two-Minute Warning

    1-20-NE 45(2:00) 29-L.Blount left guard to BAL 37 for 18 yards (26-M.Elam). PENALTY on NE-61-M.Cannon, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at NE 45 - No Play.1-30-NE 35(1:54) 29-L.Blount right tackle to NE 49 for 14 yards (21-L.Webb; 51-D.Smith).2-16-NE 49(1:21) 29-L.Blount left guard to BAL 42 for 9 yards (32-J.Ihedigbo).

    Timeout #2 by NE at 00:35.

    3-7-BAL 42(:35) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to 17-A.Dobson [55-T.Suggs]. Penalty on NE-67-J.Kline, Offensive Holding, declined.4-7-BAL 42(:31) (Punt formation) 6-R.Allen punts 31 yards to BAL 11, Center-48-D.Aiken, fair catch by 21-L.Webb. PENALTY on BAL-90-P.McPhee, Running Into the Kicker, 5 yards, enforced at BAL 42 - No Play.4-2-BAL 37(:25) (Shotgun) PENALTY on NE-62-R.Wendell, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at BAL 37 - No Play.4-7-BAL 42(:25) (Punt formation) 6-R.Allen punts 42 yards to end zone, Center-48-D.Aiken, Touchback. PENALTY on NE-23-M.Cole, Illegal Touch Kick, 0 yards, enforced at BAL 20.

    3rd Quarter

    New England Patriots at 12:17

    1-10-NE 39(12:17) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short right to 11-J.Edelman.2-10-NE 39(12:15) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete deep right to 17-A.Dobson.3-10-NE 39(12:05) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to 80-D.Amendola.4-10-NE 39(12:01) (Punt formation) 6-R.Allen punts 54 yards to BAL 7, Center-48-D.Aiken. 12-J.Jones to BAL 19 for 12 yards (91-J.Collins).

    New England Patriots at 10:25

    1-10-BAL 43(10:25) 22-S.Ridley right tackle to BAL 42 for 1 yard (92-H.Ngata; 99-C.Canty).2-9-BAL 42(9:51) 22-S.Ridley left guard to BAL 37 for 5 yards (97-A.Jones).3-4-BAL 37(9:13) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short left to 11-J.Edelman pushed ob at BAL 30 for 7 yards (22-J.Smith).1-10-BAL 30(8:54) 22-S.Ridley left tackle to BAL 27 for 3 yards (97-A.Jones; 62-T.Cody).2-7-BAL 27(8:11) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to 22-S.Ridley (51-D.Smith).3-7-BAL 27(8:03) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short middle to 11-J.Edelman to BAL 24 for 3 yards (51-D.Smith). No. 62 - Wendell (NE) injured on play.4-4-BAL 24(7:20) (Field Goal formation) 3-S.Gostkowski 42 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-48-D.Aiken, Holder-6-R.Allen.

    NE 20    BAL 0    Plays: 7    Possession: 3:10

    New England Patriots at 02:56

    1-10-NE 4(2:56) 29-L.Blount up the middle to NE 4 for no gain (93-D.Tyson).2-10-NE 4(2:14) 12-T.Brady pass short right to 11-J.Edelman to NE 12 for 8 yards (21-L.Webb).3-2-NE 12(1:44) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady sacked at NE 6 for -6 yards (55-T.Suggs).4-8-NE 6(1:12) (Punt formation) 6-R.Allen punts 54 yards to BAL 40, Center-48-D.Aiken. 12-J.Jones pushed ob at NE 38 for 22 yards (6-R.Allen).

    4th Quarter

    New England Patriots at 14:19

    1-10-NE 27(14:19) 12-T.Brady pass short right to 11-J.Edelman to NE 42 for 15 yards (26-M.Elam).1-10-NE 42(13:40) 12-T.Brady pass deep middle to 17-A.Dobson to BAL 37 for 21 yards (22-J.Smith).1-10-BAL 37(13:03) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to 11-J.Edelman.2-10-BAL 37(12:57) (Shotgun) 29-L.Blount right guard to BAL 35 for 2 yards (53-J.McClain; 51-D.Smith).3-8-BAL 35(12:19) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short left to 38-B.Bolden.4-8-BAL 35(12:15) (Punt formation) 6-R.Allen punts 25 yards to BAL 10, Center-48-D.Aiken, fair catch by 21-L.Webb.

    New England Patriots at 09:21

    9-J.Tucker kicks 74 yards from BAL 35 to NE -9. 80-D.Amendola, Touchback.

    1-10-NE 20(9:21) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete deep right to 11-J.Edelman.2-10-NE 20(9:17) 22-S.Ridley left guard to NE 25 for 5 yards (51-D.Smith; 53-J.McClain).3-5-NE 25(8:44) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short middle to 38-B.Bolden to NE 29 for 4 yards (21-L.Webb).4-1-NE 29(8:04) (Punt formation) 6-R.Allen punts 40 yards to BAL 31, Center-48-D.Aiken, out of bounds.

    New England Patriots at 06:37

    1-10-BAL 48(6:37) 22-S.Ridley left guard to BAL 45 for 3 yards (55-T.Suggs; 51-D.Smith).2-7-BAL 45(5:56) 22-S.Ridley left tackle to BAL 37 for 8 yards (51-D.Smith; 26-M.Elam).1-10-BAL 37(5:13) 22-S.Ridley left guard to BAL 36 for 1 yard (93-D.Tyson).2-9-BAL 36(4:34) 29-L.Blount left end ran ob at BAL 28 for 8 yards (51-D.Smith).3-1-BAL 28(4:27) 29-L.Blount right guard to BAL 26 for 2 yards (53-J.McClain; 91-C.Upshaw).1-10-BAL 26(3:44) 22-S.Ridley left tackle to BAL 24 for 2 yards (26-M.Elam; 62-T.Cody).2-8-BAL 24(3:04) 22-S.Ridley left tackle to BAL 16 for 8 yards (26-M.Elam; 32-J.Ihedigbo).1-10-BAL 16(2:18) 29-L.Blount left tackle to BAL 15 for 1 yard (58-E.Dumervil; 99-C.Canty). PENALTY on BAL-21-L.Webb, Personal Foul, 8 yards, enforced at BAL 15.1-7-BAL 7(2:10) 29-L.Blount left guard for 7 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

    3-S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-48-D.Aiken, Holder-6-R.Allen.

    NE 27    BAL 7    Plays: 9    Possession: 4:32

    [/QUOTE]

    First of all ,  thanks for posting this since it really is the only way to view the sequence of playcalling .  It also allows for recalling the situations in the game where you scream at the TV...  lol.

    So I've highlighted in bold and enlarged the terrible or questionable plays for discussion.

     

    It didn't take long for 1st example...  2nd play from scrimmage...  Before the play I screamed play action...!  For 3 reasons.    1.  You just had an effective run.  2 . run a possession type pass play to get your QB into a rythym.  3 .  MIX the plays.  INstead .  fail . predictable run stuff.  forcing pressured 3rd down. punt.

     

    Next series was a good mix of plays .  helped by a penalty in the end zone.

    Following that, the next series,  the same situation arose 2nd an 3.  Same result as above.  This time however Brady bailed out the bad call with a great throw to amendola on 3rd down under pressure.

    the following series you have a good pass , a good run, then the obligatory habitual follow up run stuffed.  Then we are graced with the first screen pass of the game except it is on the wrong down ,  gains 12 where it needed 14.

    All is not lost however since Ghost got the FG. and we're now up 3 scores.

    Now the moment of the game has arrived to burn clock and move chains.   THis is also the time when you consider risk vs reward in your playcalling.   

    Mindlessly throwing the ball with no run option (empty backfield) is dumb and foolish since you are one dimensional.  The defense knows you have to pass.  you are doing them a favor. This is the same approach that lost Super bowls.  It has a place when you are behind in a game .  Up 3 scores it is assinine since you risk a hot rusher on Brady and the possibily of an interception or fumble by a receiver.  (which is what happened.)

    What followed was the weird refereeing portion of the game where all those penalties were being called on every play .  Is it possible that the officials were also perplexed at this somewhat arrogant choice of offense at this point in the game...?  It reminded them of the 18-0 season and run up scores and all that ball of hate.   Natural reaction was to call every penalty in the book at the offending team.

    3rd qtr... 3 (passes) and out  ...  Bad

    then a mixed drive and another FG...  Good 

    then  a shotgun sack on 3rd and 2.    who likes that call ...?  Have some balls and hand it off when you're up 20-0 thanks to your defense.

    4th qtr...  

    3 consecutive play action passes...  The third going deep when a more sensible call would have been something short and possession -type.  It was another repeat-type linear thinking call.   MIX IT  UP.   Again the ill fated call kills the momentum of the drive and a punt soon follows.

    4th punt out of the last 5 possessions occurs after shotgun offense fails again.

    last drive ... run it .  It's fun for everybody .  Especially Tom Brady who gets to hand it off and not take stupid hits when leading by 3 scores.

     

     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from CablesWyndBairn. Show CablesWyndBairn's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    Did I read the scoreboard wrong or something?  A victory against the defending Superbowl champs at their house with a lot on the line is THE bottom line.  They ran the ball effectively versus a top 10 D and scored more than the other team by a long shot.  Just...wow.     

     
  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from coolade2. Show coolade2's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    In response to CablesWyndBairn's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Did I read the scoreboard wrong or something?  A victory against the defending Superbowl champs at their house with a lot on the line is THE bottom line.  They ran the ball effectively versus a top 10 D and scored more than the other team by a long shot.  Just...wow.     

    [/QUOTE]


    Had to expect some criticism since... Agree getting too critical after a win is tedious at times.  But this is a continuation of a discussion last week about the play calling and all the layers and detail associated with it.

    It really is the essence of NFL football or football in general since the strategy built into play calling can be fascinating trying to outsmart the defense and or utilize the talent on your team to gain yards and win the game.   Its as complicated or simple as you want to make it and contrary to alot of board chirpers it is absolutely open to analysis and question.  Since often times it is the difference btween winnig and losing although you always can defer to execution and avoid the whole topic....lol.  which is basically a cop out.

     
  19. You have chosen to ignore posts from prolate0spheroid. Show prolate0spheroid's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    Coolade, as soon as the coaches film is out (tomorrow I believe) we can take a closer look at the actual plays.  I guess I don't see running on second and 5 as a bad call.  A play action pass may have been a good call too . . . but really if you trying to establish that you can run, why not run there?  As BB has said, sometimes you have to be able to run when everyone is expecting you to run.  Do you think they were trying to prove to themselves and the Ravens they could do that?

     

     
  20. You have chosen to ignore posts from prolate0spheroid. Show prolate0spheroid's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    Looking at the TV feed, that second play of the game, there seems to be a missed block on the left side.  It's hard to see on the TV feed, but I think Kline failed to slow his man, who was able to make the tackle from the backside.  Connolly also seems to get turned around. Is that a play call failure or a blocking failure?  I tend to think the latter.  


    While deception is an important part of play calling, football isn't all deception.  A lot of it (most of it I think) is execution.  

     
  21. You have chosen to ignore posts from tanbass. Show tanbass's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    While deception is an important part of play calling, football isn't all deception.  A lot of it (most of it I think) is execution.  

    [/QUOTE]

    Absolutely agree with this.

     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from coolade2. Show coolade2's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Coolade, as soon as the coaches film is out (tomorrow I believe) we can take a closer look at the actual plays.  I guess I don't see running on second and 5 as a bad call.  A play action pass may have been a good call too . . . but really if you trying to establish that you can run, why not run there?  As BB has said, sometimes you have to be able to run when everyone is expecting you to run.  Do you think they were trying to prove to themselves and the Ravens they could do that?

     

    [/QUOTE]


    Well ... I would argue that trying to run when everyone expects you to run (to prove a point) is kind of silly not to mention like beating your head against the wall to make noise.  the point is moving the football based on the 3 reasons that I listed.    To me it is obvious that throwing on second and short is one of the best opportunities since just execution alone doesn't cause a defender to take a step toward the line of scrimmage, it is the situation and play fake.

    This in turn causes the play to work.  Along with the execution, but using the execution excuse over and over like Tanbass ,  ignores the basic fact that a perfectly executed play can be snuffed out if a good defense knows it is coming. ..  Hard to imagine that you can't envision a Suggs taking a jump step in the direction of the running back a split second quicker since he is expecting it.   really ... these guys all have brains and play their positions accordingly. 

    YOu need to use strategy to beat them.   Enough with the arrogant..."  here, terell we're running it ,  and we're so good that we don't care if it is totally obvious."  And also enough with the "I thought any running play is a good thing to the McD critics".  this is also not really intelligent.  MCD needs to apply all the experience of the position to strategically sequence plays that have the best chance to succeed.  Simple as that.  It helps Brady ,   It helps the team.    The mistakes later in the game are actually a lot more egregious.

     
  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from prolate0spheroid. Show prolate0spheroid's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    Just a request . . . let's try to keep this a civil thread where we really debate playcalling without getting into name calling.  Could be a fun thing to do. 

    Coolade . . . I guess I'm not sure the Ravens were expecting run.  Maybe.  But the Pats pass a lot on second down too.  This was only the second play of the game, so tendencies haven't been established.  Do you think they are trying to "establish" a tendency here in order to break it later?  Some of play calling early in the game is setting up things later in the game. 

     

     
  24. You have chosen to ignore posts from prolate0spheroid. Show prolate0spheroid's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    Bad call?

     

     
  25. You have chosen to ignore posts from CatfishHunter. Show CatfishHunter's posts

    Re: What problem with play calling?

    "Bad" play calling is often mistaken for the true culprit - poor execution

     
Sections
Shortcuts

Share