Re: What will it take..
posted at 2/18/2013 11:39 PM EST
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I must confess that I do not have the answer to the original question. I'm a huge Brady fan but for some reason he's become inconsistent in the playoffs.
The team around him is second rate, unlike in the dynasty years. Simply accept the fact BB has let the team fall from its former magnitude and hope something good will come along in the years ahead. And if that is to be, it will more likely be by the hand of somebody other than BB.
but to suggest that everyone else around him is second rateI think overlooks some pretty good talent.
That isn't what I said.
I said the TEAM around him is second rate. That would be the sum of all parts excluding Brady. Of course there are some outstanding players.
But put Tannehill, Fitz or Sanchez on the team and give any of them Brady and they win the division.
They might win the division, not certain of it though. I also am not sure Brady would beat the patriots. At least not the first year.
Brady has a long history of performing poorly against coaches who are intimitely familar with him, not always but more times than not.
McDaniels gave him fits when with Denver. Mangini gave him some fits when at Cleveland and Jets. Rob Ryan has given him fits at Dallas. Rex has given him some fits at times, I assume with long talks with his brother. The Ravens have given him fits seemingly forever and it has continued for the most part now with Pees as DC.
Again, not evey time but more times than not.
I am quite certain BB would be able to give Brady some fits as well. At least initially.
Brady has a long history of performing poorly against coaches that are intimately familiar with him? Tell that to all the AFC east coaches that got to know him intimately - he put them all out of work...what was it? Ten of them? Tell that to Bill Cowher who faced him somewhere around seven times...did Cowher ever beat him in an important game? And those games were usaully on the road against Cowher's mighty defenses. Or how about Tony Dungy? I wonder how Tony Dungy enjoyed their intimate relationship? Losing all those games in the playoffs and regular season to Brady.
McDanials gave him fits?? How, by winning one game because Welker dropped a pass? Mangini gave him fits? Brady put him on the unemployment line. Rex has given him fits? Has Rex even won a game against him in two years? He will be the next going on unemployment due to Brady.
The only part of your post I agree with is when you say BB would give him fits - and that's only if he had a defense to do it with.
Brady QBR of 50 vs Denver (once again the offense could not score more than 17 points)
The offense only scores 14 points vs cleveland (again the offense can't muster more than 17 points)
First meeting with Jets under Mangini. Brady a 73 QB rating. 1TD 1INT 51% completion, also lost a fumble
second meeting with Jets. Brady 84 QB rating. 1 TD 1INT. Offense only scores 14 again.
Not exactly lighting it up yet with any of these examples.
Fourth meeting with Mangini and Jets. Brady 50 QB rating, 51 completion percent. 0 TD's 1 INT (offense scores less than 17 again)
Brady 2TD's, 2INT's vs cowboys and Rob Ryan. Offense scores 20 points. Brady QBR of 53
Patriots have still won a number of games against formers I mentioned but when you look at some of them Brady was not great where defensive pick 6's for the Pats and even a KO runback contributed to the win as much as the offense did.
You know what. I am not even going to continue going through all of the different games to show you that more times he has been mediocre than times he has lit it up against former DC's or coordinators.
Clearly you are watching games but not seeing what I am seeing.
I am not Brady bashing or blaming just stating facts and you sir clearly are NOT seeing what has transpired vs previous people with intimate knowledge of the Patriots offensive system and Brady's tendencies or deficiencies.
I also mentioned the word initially because I believe he has a harder time early on against formers but the more cracks he has at a team (except the Ravens apparently) he seems to fare better over time with both he and BB deciphering what they are trying to do and game planning around it.
That's not a knock on Brady, it should be more difficult for him in those circumstances. You and I see different things. We'll agree to disagree.