What'd Vrable say to get him kicked out out of NE

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    What'd Vrable say to get him kicked out out of NE

    Fair enough.
     
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    What'd Vrable say to get him kicked out out of NE

    Probably not that many . . . but isn't promoting the product part of the players' contract?

    Hypothetical:

    I am an educator. The university I work for puts out a recruitment brochure that contains photos of some of the professors with blurbs about how splendiferously wondrous PrairieMike University is. This brochure is wildly successful and enrollment skyrockets, which fills the coffers of the institution.

    Are the educators paid extra for that?
     
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    What'd Vrable say to get him kicked out out of NE

    [Quote]Wow.

    So if someone took a picture of you and your name and made a fortune charging people to see it you would be just fine with that???

    That sounds like some bad business to me. Or maybe charity. I don't know.

    There is nothing socialist about that. If anyone was making money off of me like that I would demand a cut. If they refused I would sue their azz![/Quote]

    So if you worked at a company and they used the Company name for advertisement...you would walk up to the CEO and demand a raise?

    I wonder if everyone at Bank North and Gillette demanded more money when they got the naming rights to the Garden and Foxboro stadium?

    i think that you are forgetting that Vrable is an EMPLOYEE not the EMPLOYER.

    I would be upset too if I were Vrable and they were using Vrable's name...but they are not. Maybe the Patriots should get money from the endorsements that the players make while using the Patriots name.....Hmmm.....
     
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    What'd Vrable say to get him kicked out out of NE

    [Quote]So, I take that to mean that if the company you worked for failed, you would "kick in" some your cash?[/Quote]

    But if the company you worked for expanded, you would expect more cash?
     
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    The Patriots (Kraft) owns the rights to any image of his team. Much like the Company owns the Patent of an employee’s discovery or invention.

     
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    What'd Vrable say to get him kicked out out of NE

    [Quote]No you are not. That just means you aren't getting a raise. Different thing entirely.

    So here is my question, so I can make it a little easier:

    How many people do you think would pay to see a bunch of pictures of Robert Kraft?[/Quote]

    That doesn't make sense....the players are the product....
     
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    What'd Vrable say to get him kicked out out of NE

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    But if the company you worked for expanded, you would expect more cash?[/Quote]

    Wouldn't you?

    If the labor you were performing generated more revenue, you would not want part of it?
     
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    The Patriots (Kraft) owns the rights to any image of his team. Much like the Company owns the Patent of an employee’s discovery or invention.
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    BINGO!

     
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    Wouldn't you?

    If the labor you were performing generated more revenue, you would not want part of it?[/Quote]

    I am doing it right now....I don't get anything extra for the expansions....nor do I expect to. We are employed and already getting part of what the company makes.
     
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    What'd Vrable say to get him kicked out out of NE

    [Quote]Probably not that many . . . but isn't promoting the product part of the players' contract?

    Hypothetical:

    I am an educator. The university I work for puts out a recruitment brochure that contains photos of some of the professors with blurbs about how splendiferously wondrous PrairieMike University is. This brochure is wildly successful and enrollment skyrockets, which fills the coffers of the institution.

    Are the educators paid extra for that?[/Quote]

    Funny story. I am an educator. And as educators, payscale is (in fact) directly connected to how much "draw" they bring to the University. But no one puts their photos in brochures, because that would decrease enrollment. LOL.

    And if the University were selling tickets to come see me work in my office . . . or look at photos of me working, I would most certainly demand part if not most of the profits.
     
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    What'd Vrable say to get him kicked out out of NE

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    The Patriots (Kraft) owns the rights to any image of his team. Much like the Company owns the Patent of an employee’s discovery or invention.

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    That is not true. Where do people come up with this stuff?

    The last time I checked all likeness of Patriot's player for products (video games for instance) are negotiated en masse through the NFLPA.

    Kraft owns nothing of the sort, and I hope (if in fact he isn't paying for the likenesses inside Patriot Place) that the NFLPA goes after him.

    No free rides. Without the players, all Kraft owns is a scrap of land and some concrete in Foxboro. And that wouldn't make much money at all.
     
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    What'd Vrable say to get him kicked out out of NE

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    So if you worked at a company and they used the Company name for advertisement...you would walk up to the CEO and demand a raise?

    I wonder if everyone at Bank North and Gillette demanded more money when they got the naming rights to the Garden and Foxboro stadium?

    i think that you are forgetting that Vrable is an EMPLOYEE not the EMPLOYER.

    I would be upset too if I were Vrable and they were using Vrable's name...but they are not. Maybe the Patriots should get money from the endorsements that the players make while using the Patriots name.....Hmmm.....[/Quote]

    Bad analogy. Unless those players/employees own stock (which they may) then they do not own the logo.

    And if Mike Vrabel went out and started selling a Patriot's branded line of clothing, Kraft (really the entire NFL because they share revenue) would most certainly be entitled to a share.

    Logo is team property the same way that player likenesses are player property.
     
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    What'd Vrable say to get him kicked out out of NE

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    The Patriots (Kraft) owns the rights to any image of his team. Much like the Company owns the Patent of an employee’s discovery or invention.
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    That is not true. Where do people come up with this stuff?

    The last time I checked all likeness of Patriot's player for products (video games for instance) are negotiated en masse through the NFLPA.

    Kraft owns nothing of the sort, and I hope (if in fact he isn't paying for the likenesses inside Patriot Place) that the NFLPA goes after him.

    No free rides. Without the players, all Kraft owns is a scrap of land and some concrete in Foxboro. And that wouldn't make much money at all.[/Quote]

    The players are a product of the team. They have contreacts by the team. Kraft owns the rights to the players.

    But as you are saying that Vrable can collect from other sources such as advertisements and endorsements that HE is in.

    Should the Patriots payer get a share of all the other Companies that the Kraft family owns?

     
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    What'd Vrable say to get him kicked out out of NE

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    The Patriots (Kraft) owns the rights to any image of his team. Much like the Company owns the Patent of an employee’s discovery or invention.
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    That is not true. Where do people come up with this stuff?

    The last time I checked all likeness of Patriot's player for products (video games for instance) are negotiated en masse through the NFLPA.

    Kraft owns nothing of the sort, and I hope (if in fact he isn't paying for the likenesses inside Patriot Place) that the NFLPA goes after him.

    No free rides. Without the players, all Kraft owns is a scrap of land and some concrete in Foxboro. And that wouldn't make much money at all.[/Quote]



    What the hell does a Video Game that is produced by a third party licensee of the NFL have to do with a team owner and his rights to his teams images? Think before you type.

     
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    What'd Vrable say to get him kicked out out of NE

    Perhaps you should think before you respond, because it is one and the same. Anything outside of basic contractual obligations is part of a bargaining process.

    Stop and think. Do third party vendors (like Reebok) bargain with Kraft for the player names they sell? No. They bargain with the NFL for the logos and with the NFLPA for player names and likenesses.

    Kraft does NOT own the players likenesses. Sorry.

    Go look up the NFL Hall of Fame. Think they don't pay the NFLPA to use the players' likenesses?

    Don't be so naive. You don't think the NFLPA is paid when they sell Tom Brady jerseys? You don't think that is negotiated.

    The whole process is rife with licensing agreements that go through the NFLPA before they can even show a shred of a player's identity after the broadcast ends. And that is exactly how it should be. Football players are paid to play football, if Kraft or anyone else wants to sell another product using their name it is a different deal entirely.

    But suuuuuure. The players just give it away. LOL.

    The entire entertainment economy is based on the laws and conditions that you aren't understanding here.
     
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    What'd Vrable say to get him kicked out out of NE

    [Quote]Here is what he said: 'I am 34, I had 3 sacks, I make $4M per year, and I am underpaid'[/Quote]

    LOL. Encinitas. That is exactly what the situation was about.

    If he wasn't so vocal about being underpaid, and he had performed, he might still be here.
     
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    What'd Vrable say to get him kicked out out of NE

    Kraft is the smartest owner in the NFL, not just because he gets more wins on the field. He's making scads of money and other owners are just surviving. Other owners in other sports besides the NFL are going bankrupt this year.

    Regardless of whether this particular owner is smart enough to make money or not, all NFL teams have a salary cap, and they have a union. Vrabel isn't necessarily making less money because of Kraft.

    He's an old guy with a tricky back and he's lost half a step, and the other half a step is disappearing soon. I would not blame Mike Vrabel for wanting another $4 million this next year. He's worth it to KC because KC needs a defensive leader, but he's not quite worth $4m to the Patriots. The alternatives would have been to overpay him a bit too much, or to release Vrabel and hope the Dolphins wouldn't sign him up with another bonus.

    Vrabel probably didn't need to say that much to get kicked out. "Hey Bill,.." would have been enough.
     

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