What's your ideal offseason?

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    3rd Exum SS - Exum was injured this past season but has the coverage ability of a CB, the speed and smarts of a FS, and the size and hitting ability of a SS. If not for the injures he'd be a fringe 1st rounder grade. Might take a year to develop but he'd be a great SS moving into the future with

    Sounds a lot like Chancellor...! AND... both went to VA Tech!

    Pick this guy! I like your plan, Eng. 

     
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    A defense that doesnt give up multiple 7 to 8 minutes a drive and then people wonder why thier pa ssing so much when behind.

     
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    3rd Exum SS - Exum was injured this past season but has the coverage ability of a CB, the speed and smarts of a FS, and the size and hitting ability of a SS. If not for the injures he'd be a fringe 1st rounder grade. Might take a year to develop but he'd be a great SS moving into the future with

    Sounds a lot like Chancellor...! AND... both went to VA Tech!

    Pick this guy! I like your plan, Eng. 




    need more info on Exum but sounds intriging. Ive seen him listed anywhere from 5'10 to 6'1" so thats wierd. If he is closer to 5'10, I say NO WAY. He also played CB in college far as I can see and we have 2 small, converted CBs already playing S.

    His height is listed anywhere from 218 to 225. If he is a 5'10" 225 CB coming to NFL to play safety I say no thanks. I think of the big V.T. safety who went to G.B. a few years back. I dont think he ever did anything. Need to see film but not sure I would choose a project in OUR situation. I would much rather Taylor Mays, or Kenny Phillips. Weve seen the learning curve w/rookies. I thought Harmon looked much better than Gregory down the stretch so WHY wasnt HE playing....Likely lack of exp. and BB not trusting him so I dont like drafting a SS. I want a vet... just not 40 y/o like Wilson.

     
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    Did everyone see our D without Talib? If we dont have his replacement, letting him walk is big mistake. Dennard is a shaky # 2 iMO, and wouldnt want to see him as a # 1

    Tillman??  The guy has played in Chicago his whole career. That means ALL COVER 2. He can hit and force fumbles but probably hasnt played man coverage his whole career.

    He also played for a D that had Peppers the last few years and in general until last season has always been a very good D. Coming here he would really look old and slow when needing to play man. we play lots of cover 2 but arent a strictly cover 2 like Chicago.

    Ryan Clark is DONE and cant even play in Denver. DRC JUST changed his ways and became competent THIS year but I dont think he is great. He holds a lot and wasnt called for holding OUR guys but he will get that break playing for us?? Not likely

    Talib is best option as he knows the system. BB used him in many ways last year, all successful. Get him surgery and PAY DA MAN!



    Good point made on Tillman OG but he is a good player who I would trust in here and would be a good cheap backup. he can create turnovers, which when we get.. we win.

    i agree that Dennard isnt a #1 CB the size kills him but he is a decent #2 when matched up with the right player. he would be a beast in the slot imo. hopefully Ryan can play #2 this year so Dennard can mvoe to the slot.

    Clark may be done true, but Pollard or Whitner can still play and Pollard especially can be cheap and be a HITTER and effective. which is what this defense lacks big time.

    agree on Talib. I think his market will be low so it wont take 9-10 a year to sign him but I would go as high as 7-8 now that I think about it. We need him. even if theres an injury issue. I dont trust DRC like you said he came on strong late, besides that he's nothing.

     

     
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    I just find it funny how last offseason I put a real SS as the # 1 priority. BB goes and gets Wilson but he is too old but NOONE, I mean almost NOONE wanted Pollard to come here.

    Yet after watching another year of our small safeties NOT making an impact, suddenly everyone agrees and wants Pollard as our enforcer..lol

    NOw I will take anyone but to me Pollard is old now. Maybe last year but in this system where BB wants a Fs/SS I dont think Pollard fits. He is SLOW and BB will ask him to cover the deep middle, its over. Weve seen how many safeties have come and failed at the big nickel as a rover/backer so I dont see it.

    To me, another year removed, Pollard is only slightly better than A.Wilson signing. If we are gonna make a run, need to do better than that. Thats why I said a Taylor Mays even tho he has poor instincts. Gotta hope BB can coach em up. We need a dynamic safety and how did Pollard come from being hated to fan favorite in one year....lol

    Wow...just listen to me next time. SS's are still needed and havent gone out of style. I heard the same when I wanted Landry 2 years ago....smh

     
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    Wow...just listen to me next time. SS's are still needed and havent gone out of style. I heard the same when I wanted Landry 2 years ago....smh



    Mays isnt good enough he'd upgrade Gregory but anyone would at this point. he would be a hitter and enforcer sure but there are 15 better safeties out there. that includes Pollard imo. He's not playing 2 downs this year like Wilson did the year before he came here.

    1. Jairus Byrd
    2. T.J. Ward

    3. Donte Whitner
    4. Antoine Bethea
    5. Chris Clemons
    6. Malcolm Jenkins
    7. Stevie Brown
    8. Major Wright
    9. Nate Allen

    10. Michael Mitchell
    11. Charles Woodson

    12. Nick Collins
    13. Ryan Clark
    14. James Ihedigbo
    15. Bernard Pollard
    16. Usama Young
    17. Kendrick Lewis
    18. Mike Adams
    19. Chris Crocker
    20. Yeremiah Bell
    21. Quintin Mikell
    22. Michael Huff
    23. Brandon Meriweather
    24. Ryan Mundy

    all better than Mays imo

     
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    oh OG I didnt read as far back as 2 years and ago last year even but dont brag about what you were right about... sounds Rusty-esque... ya know?

    I was calling for drafting Alshon Jeffery last year too and wanted Landry two years ago as well but dont rusty-esque it

     
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    3rd Exum SS - Exum was injured this past season but has the coverage ability of a CB, the speed and smarts of a FS, and the size and hitting ability of a SS. If not for the injures he'd be a fringe 1st rounder grade. Might take a year to develop but he'd be a great SS moving into the future with

    Sounds a lot like Chancellor...! AND... both went to VA Tech!

    Pick this guy! I like your plan, Eng. 


    need more info on Exum but sounds intriging. Ive seen him listed anywhere from 5'10 to 6'1" so thats wierd. If he is closer to 5'10, I say NO WAY. He also played CB in college far as I can see and we have 2 small, converted CBs already playing S.

    His height is listed anywhere from 218 to 225. If he is a 5'10" 225 CB coming to NFL to play safety I say no thanks. I think of the big V.T. safety who went to G.B. a few years back. I dont think he ever did anything. Need to see film but not sure I would choose a project in OUR situation. I would much rather Taylor Mays, or Kenny Phillips. Weve seen the learning curve w/rookies. I thought Harmon looked much better than Gregory down the stretch so WHY wasnt HE playing....Likely lack of exp. and BB not trusting him so I dont like drafting a SS. I want a vet... just not 40 y/o like Wilson.




    I have Exum listed as a smaller 6'1" 225lbs and runs a 4.55 speed. Not sure who has him listed at 5'10" but I've seen him next to 5'10" guys and he's got a solid 1-2" on them easy.

     
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    Wow...just listen to me next time. SS's are still needed and havent gone out of style. I heard the same when I wanted Landry 2 years ago....smh

     



    Mays isnt good enough he'd upgrade Gregory but anyone would at this point. he would be a hitter and enforcer sure but there are 15 better safeties out there. that includes Pollard imo. He's not playing 2 downs this year like Wilson did the year before he came here.

     

    1. Jairus Byrd
    2. T.J. Ward

    3. Donte Whitner
    4. Antoine Bethea
    5. Chris Clemons
    6. Malcolm Jenkins
    7. Stevie Brown
    8. Major Wright
    9. Nate Allen

    10. Michael Mitchell
    11. Charles Woodson

    12. Nick Collins
    13. Ryan Clark
    14. James Ihedigbo
    15. Bernard Pollard
    16. Usama Young
    17. Kendrick Lewis
    18. Mike Adams
    19. Chris Crocker
    20. Yeremiah Bell
    21. Quintin Mikell
    22. Michael Huff
    23. Brandon Meriweather
    24. Ryan Mundy

    all better than Mays imo




    well like I said I dont even like Mays as a football player that much. This would be a cheap signing and see what BB can do. If an all pro like Rodney can come in after 10 years being a beast in S.D. and learn SO MUCH from BB I am banking on a 3rd year backup player can also learn.  I offered TJ Ward but folks are saying he is gonna break the bank. So how do you get that presence? You bring in Mays, coach em up and simplify his role. You see what rookie Reid did for San fran when healthy?  All I am saying is our D is pretty bad in the back end. Signing a guy like Pollard to me isnt enough. 

    Not many of the guys on your list are 6'3" 225 and run a 4.4. THATS why I want Mays but trust I'll be happy with anyone over Gregory like you said. Im just giving my opinion. Same way I wouldnt want tillman here cuz he cant play man and is a Cover 2 CB. Meaning he tackles and forces fumbles but he is rarely cover downfield. Cover 2 CBs, press and release and play the flat. Never mind that his body is worn down.

    I would take Bethea or Whitner as well but would prefer a bigger body.

     
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    3rd Exum SS - Exum was injured this past season but has the coverage ability of a CB, the speed and smarts of a FS, and the size and hitting ability of a SS. If not for the injures he'd be a fringe 1st rounder grade. Might take a year to develop but he'd be a great SS moving into the future with

    Sounds a lot like Chancellor...! AND... both went to VA Tech!

    Pick this guy! I like your plan, Eng. 


    need more info on Exum but sounds intriging. Ive seen him listed anywhere from 5'10 to 6'1" so thats wierd. If he is closer to 5'10, I say NO WAY. He also played CB in college far as I can see and we have 2 small, converted CBs already playing S.

    His height is listed anywhere from 218 to 225. If he is a 5'10" 225 CB coming to NFL to play safety I say no thanks. I think of the big V.T. safety who went to G.B. a few years back. I dont think he ever did anything. Need to see film but not sure I would choose a project in OUR situation. I would much rather Taylor Mays, or Kenny Phillips. Weve seen the learning curve w/rookies. I thought Harmon looked much better than Gregory down the stretch so WHY wasnt HE playing....Likely lack of exp. and BB not trusting him so I dont like drafting a SS. I want a vet... just not 40 y/o like Wilson.




    I have Exum listed as a smaller 6'1" 225lbs and runs a 4.55 speed. Not sure who has him listed at 5'10" but I've seen him next to 5'10" guys and he's got a solid 1-2" on them easy.




    ok thx. I only looked at a few sites but most say 6 ft or over and I havent seen him play. I trust your judgement if you have seen him. Did he play both CB/S in college? 

     
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    Not many of the guys on your list are 6'3" 225 and run a 4.4. THATS why I want Mays but trust I'll be happy with anyone over Gregory like you said. Im just giving my opinion. Same way I wouldnt want tillman here cuz he cant play man and is a Cover 2 CB. Meaning he tackles and forces fumbles but he is really asked to cover downfield. Cover 2 CBs, press and release and play the flat. Never mind that his body is worn down.

    I would take Bethea or Whitner as well but would prefer a bigger body.



    I feel you OG I want the same thing as you. Just dont think Mays is the option. I think Pollard is. Agree to disagree there but one thing we both know is Wilson and Gregory need to be cut and we need to get a real SS in there

     
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    Not many of the guys on your list are 6'3" 225 and run a 4.4. THATS why I want Mays but trust I'll be happy with anyone over Gregory like you said. Im just giving my opinion. Same way I wouldnt want tillman here cuz he cant play man and is a Cover 2 CB. Meaning he tackles and forces fumbles but he is really asked to cover downfield. Cover 2 CBs, press and release and play the flat. Never mind that his body is worn down.

    I would take Bethea or Whitner as well but would prefer a bigger body.



    I feel you OG I want the same thing as you. Just dont think Mays is the option. I think Pollard is. Agree to disagree there but one thing we both know is Wilson and Gregory need to be cut and we need to get a real SS in there




    this is true and i never brag or say I told you so unless it was extreme. Eng can contest to how many folks hated pollard and said no way . In terms of wanting Landry, Eng can attest to that too. I was one of only a few guys who wanted him. Most others thought he was done, couldnt run and had too many muscles. I mean he hasnt shocked the world but atleast he stayed healthy which everyone doubted.

    In terms of wanting a SS, yes we are on the same page. Last year Wilson bummed out. will he go younger, draft another or just promote Harmon. Sadly I think its gonna be the last one.

     
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    ok thx. I only looked at a few sites but most say 6 ft or over and I havent seen him play. I trust your judgement if you have seen him. Did he play both CB/S in college? 



    He did switch between both. Mostly CB in 12' prior to injury but has played a CB and both S position at Vir Tech

     
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    this is true and i never brag or say I told you so unless it was extreme. Eng can contest to how many folks hated pollard and said no way . In terms of wanting Landry, Eng can attest to that too. I was one of only a few guys who wanted him. Most others thought he was done, couldnt run and had too many muscles. I mean he hasnt shocked the world but atleast he stayed healthy which everyone doubted.

    In terms of wanting a SS, yes we are on the same page. Last year Wilson bummed out. will he go younger, draft another or just promote Harmon. Sadly I think its gonna be the last one.



    I feel ya OG. I liked  Landry, knew about the injury issues but he could hit and was worth the risk at the time to me as well

    but yeah sadly our pipe dreams of wanting a SS probably will end up being Harmon taking over the role and BB drafting a SS in the 4th round when we could get him in the 7th round..... hopefully he goes against this... hopefully

     
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    Not many of the guys on your list are 6'3" 225 and run a 4.4. THATS why I want Mays but trust I'll be happy with anyone over Gregory like you said. Im just giving my opinion. Same way I wouldnt want tillman here cuz he cant play man and is a Cover 2 CB. Meaning he tackles and forces fumbles but he is really asked to cover downfield. Cover 2 CBs, press and release and play the flat. Never mind that his body is worn down.

    I would take Bethea or Whitner as well but would prefer a bigger body.



    I feel you OG I want the same thing as you. Just dont think Mays is the option. I think Pollard is. Agree to disagree there but one thing we both know is Wilson and Gregory need to be cut and we need to get a real SS in there




    this is true and i never brag or say I told you so unless it was extreme. Eng can contest to how many folks hated pollard and said no way . In terms of wanting Landry, Eng can attest to that too. I was one of only a few guys who wanted him. Most others thought he was done, couldnt run and had too many muscles. I mean he hasnt shocked the world but atleast he stayed healthy which everyone doubted.

    In terms of wanting a SS, yes we are on the same page. Last year Wilson bummed out. will he go younger, draft another or just promote Harmon. Sadly I think its gonna be the last one.



    I can verify all is true and will say I didn't think Landry would last a full year and yet he did. However, he really wasn't all that good. In coverage he was helpless but he sure did hit hard when he lined up. Great for highlight reels on sportscenter but in a game he was a liability as a starting S. I have nothing against Pollard but think he's over rated. He's worse in coverage than Gregory but a heavier hitter and better against the run. So to me he's a good sub SS in running downs or against teams with slower TE's but I still wouldn't want him as an everydown SS. I'd rather have a better all around SS, esp considering coverage is the main issue at SS and I would put him below Gregory in that regard

     
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    I am praying for two things

    gronk gets healthy and can play all year

    no one on the roster murder's someone

     
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    They should of drafted Everson Griffen years ago when he was just sitting there in the middle rounds, I want to say I read after the draft they had considered him, but raded back instead. Griffen won't come cheap, he has already turned down a contract offer from the vikings this year. Another player I wshed they drafted in the middle rounds years ago was Houston, but the Chiefs wisely picked him.

    I don't like Hageman, I think he has bust written all over him.

    I'd like to see them make a run and Sanders again, and I agree they shouldn't resign Talib...I don't want to pay a guy we can't rely on..he's that guy.

     
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    BB learns to stop micro managing every aspect of this TEAM and hires REAL coordinators.....

    Sincerely "Pepper" Johnson




    lol




     

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    Did you think I wouldn't do my job for this board and let them know you are the one and only BUST-CHISE, the world’s biggest and most ridiculous NY Jets Troll? That you hunt for the backsides of your neighbors kitties at night? That you carry an old rag, a torn up Mark Sanchez Jets T-Shirt, and a bottle of chloroform which you use to incapacitate your young feline victims and that it's the reason you call this BUST-CHISE persona "Phat Virgin"?

    You will be known whenever you come here….this I swear to this board….the NY Jets are the worst franchise in the history of the NFL…44 years of laughable failure and ridicule, like Kellen “Vaseline Jazz Hands” Winslow….RUB-A-DUB-DUB, BUST-CHISE, RUB -A--DUB-DUB

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

     

     
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    I like your thoughts Patseng. Really almost the entire post. I think Amendola and Arrington are better players then you are giving credit for and they were both obviously slowed with injury but can't argue with much of anything else. 

    I also like OG's idea of Taylor Mays on the cheap but he has not played very well, perhaps BB can coach him up. Firing Josh McDaniels makes zero sense but it fits his agenda so I see why he said it.

    I am not sure why we would keep Blount, we have already shown we will not commit to a run game in the biggest stage so why pay another RB? Our offenseive philosophy isn't changing and BB just doesn't value RB's. it is what it is. 



    its josh not calling runs right?  If my plan gets the D better,. we run more, simple. Why cant you see the reason we dont run is because our D isnt goon enough to play that way?  Idc about the roster week 1. In the postseason our D was shaky. We couldnt commit to Blount. The issue was personell (ridley a better option vs denver), playcalling(wasting 3rd and shorts going deep to slater) and lack of talent. Collie and Amendola outside.

     



    I've come to realize that the lack of run commitment starts with BB, the O.C and Brady but is really due to thembeing victims of their success. When you have a HOF QB who might go down as the best ever, you tend to over rely on him at the 1st sign of adversity.

    I am sure I would do the same. I just believe that this team, particularly Tom Brady plays better with a focus on power running, 2 TE sets, and play action passing, all 6 of Tommy's Super bowl tds in his 3 wins came off play action and heavy use of the run.

    He is not a deep ball passer, but he is probably the most accurate passer inside of 10 yards in NFL history and that style of play is goes hand in hand with a short quick strike passing game. Yes, good defense helps being able to run, as running helps good defense. We need more of both.

     
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    I'd rather have Pollards replacement in Baltimore, our old friend, the Umass Minuteman, James ihdgehbdoeggbooooo

    Just came off a nice season as a starter, 100 tackles, 3 ff 3 ints as SS.

     
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    We go through an entire draft an not once say "Who the "frock" is that ????"

     



    Kinf of like the Seahawks 2012 draft class, the one that was graded an "F". 

     

     

     



    People actually knew who those players were, the experts didn't see them as studs....even the experts had to wikipedia some of our picks just to give us info on who the "frock" they were.....

    Wiki at the time only had    T. Wilson    American football ??....

     
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    I always felt you can find more Diamonds in the rough at the TE position, in later rounds. 2 way dominating D-Lineman are harder. In this Draft where many QB's and WR and TE, looking like they are going to go in 1st round, that Special D-Lineman might fall to us.

    Thats just me.



    That's why the draft is the ulitmate CRAP shoot........squeeze hard enough and you just might pull a diamond or 2 out of your waste management plant.............

     
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    We go through an entire draft an not once say "Who the "frock" is that ????"



    LMFAO! Good one.



    ..or...   The Patriots make some off-season moves that make everyone here sit up and say: " Oh my God, they signed who?  Wow!!!! "

    It's been a while since this fan base has been REAL excited about any player acquisitions.



    True +1. Even a cheap vet that is proven will be nice



    Can we get a collective "AMEN!!!!"

     
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