WHEN Tommy has another Outstanding season this year

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    1.  Does anyone call Tom Brady, "Tommy"?

    2.  Hopefully he'll have the ball more this year.  Can't do much when the defense can't get off the field.



    The annoying guy behind me in the stands two years ago called him "Tommy B" all game, every game, all year.  Drove me freakin' nuts . . . it's not Malden High out there . . .

     
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    1.  Does anyone call Tom Brady, "Tommy"?

    2.  Hopefully he'll have the ball more this year.  Can't do much when the defense can't get off the field.


                          No qb can.

     
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    1.  Does anyone call Tom Brady, "Tommy"?

    2.  Hopefully he'll have the ball more this year.  Can't do much when the defense can't get off the field.




    I call him Tommy, Kraft calls him Tommy. When your name is Tom, Im sure plenty of people call him "Tommy ".

     
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    For the first time in nearly seven years this team will have to win with defense...the defense that has supposedly been rebuilt over that time span. Should be interesting. With a little luck the offense will start to click half way through the season after the rookie receivers start to learn the offense...getting Gronk back healthy would change everything.

    The guy I'm really worried about is Amendola, because that was the big risk (signing a guy to replace Wes that is hurt as often as him). People can talk all they want about how we needed, or wanted to change the offense, but they signed a player in Amendola that is supposed to be Wes Welker, only younger and bigger. 

     
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    Oh, he stops him. He just can't do it in the key spots in the game all the time.

     

    Regardless, he's stopped him now. Welker is gone.  No way you're a Pats fan mocking BB, the best coach in pro sports today and very arguably the greatest NFL coach of all time. NO way.

    Go back and troll your Bruins board, fanboy.



    Why can't he, especially in key spots of the game?  If he's one of the greatest coaches ever, why is his QB making him look so bad by disobeying his play calls?

     
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    I call him Tommy, Kraft calls him Tommy. When your name is Tom, Im sure plenty of people call him "Tommy ".



    There are guys who go by that sort of name (Billy Martin, Johnny Boychuk, Stevie Wonder, Tommy Lasorda), and others that don't (Bill Murray, John Wayne, Steve Martin, Tom Brady).

     
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    Re: WHEN Tommy has another Outstanding season this year

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    This is going to be a great test for our HOF quarterback--I'm so looking forward to the season!!

     

     



    He better win MVP. If this was Peyton, the media would've written Peyton in as the MVP today and  preaching about how this is a testament to his greatness.

     

     



    Who cares about league MVP? Who cares?  BB should win coach of the year almost every year, but he doesn't. In the end, I don't care about personal trophies. Hopefully, Brady doesn't either. 

     




    unreal  Undecided

     
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    Does Claude Julien try to stop Bergeron or Tim Thomas from what they do well and try to manipulate their execution during games?

     

    Why didn't Claude fix Game 6 last week? Hmm? 

    Like I said, BB dealt Moss to try to fix Brady. He did. Brady won the MVP that year. After Welker wanted 10 mil per and then dropped a 3rd and 7 which would have helped, you know, our team in January, BB had enough.

    Wake up. BB walking from Welkie is symbolic with the change. Do you want him to go to ESPN and announce he is disappointed in Brady's postseason play? If so, what does that accomplish moving forward?

    The only guy who can help Brady is Tom Brady.



    Oh dear!  I think you have really lost it now!  Please tell me you don't really believe what you write, do you?

     
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    Tommy will have another superb season, provided he stays upright, what led any of you to think that anything has changed?

    The team around Tom, specifically the offense will be bigger, tougher and stronger than we've been since 2007, all of our wide receivers will be bigger and more physical, the offensive line and team as a whole have had the running game going for a full season already, they need to continue to improve, with another year of McDaniel's at the wheel they'll be the top rated offense in the NFL again.

    They'll take their time with Gronk, he'll reappear midseason because they have the luxury provided by the Ballard signing.  Are we really going to have another "the sky is falling" offseason when what we really need now is some unity?



    and what about the defense?

     
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    Re: WHEN Tommy has another Outstanding season this year

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    Like I said, BB dealt Moss to try to fix Brady. He did. Brady won the MVP that year. After Welker wanted 10 mil per and then dropped a 3rd and 7 which would have helped, you know, our team in January, BB had enough.

    Wake up. BB walking from Welkie is symbolic with the change. Do you want him to go to ESPN and announce he is disappointed in Brady's postseason play? If so, what does that accomplish moving forward?

    The only guy who can help Brady is Tom Brady.



    I'm not sure what any of this has to do with Brady in the shotgun.  You said the big problem was Brady forcing the shotgun too many times.  I ask why Belichick can't stop him from doing that.  You talk about Randy Moss.

     

    A common mistake people make on message boards is that they believe if they post something enough times, it becomes true.

     
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    For the first time in nearly seven years this team will have to win with defense...the defense that has supposedly been rebuilt over that time span. Should be interesting. With a little luck the offense will start to click half way through the season after the rookie receivers start to learn the offense...getting Gronk back healthy would change everything.

    The guy I'm really worried about is Amendola, because that was the big risk (signing a guy to replace Wes that is hurt as often as him). People can talk all they want about how we needed, or wanted to change the offense, but they signed a player in Amendola that is supposed to be Wes Welker, only younger and bigger. 

     




     

    7 years?  Bruschi, Vrabel and Seymour at the very least were here in 2008. It's 2013. No way it's "7 years". That is ridiculous and a lie to boot.  Seven years? LOL

    Shows how disengaged you are or what a pink helmet you are.  Brady can suck but a rookie who isn't All Pro on D has his feet held to the fire. Gotcha.  Maybe you should change your panties?

    Get back to math class or realize when Brady gets his head out, that's when we win a SB.

    For the first time in years, since 2006, Brady might take some responsiblity as the best player we have, instead of being so spoiled like he has been, generally speaking, since 2007.

     

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    Yeah that was fun watching that defense from 7 years ago...Bruschi post stroke who lost more than a step (painful) and watching Vrabel do the same. We all know how you like to remind everyone what Seymore had turned into during that time period. And we can't forget those midget cornerbacks. Didn't Harrison blow out a knee sometime in that time span...I can't remember, it gets all fuzzy...especially when you had Brady putting up 35 points a game on a bad week. The guy has been carrying the team for a long, long time. 

     
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    Oh, he stops him. He just can't do it in the key spots in the game all the time.

     

     

     

    Regardless, he's stopped him now. Welker is gone.  No way you're a Pats fan mocking BB, the best coach in pro sports today and very arguably the greatest NFL coach of all time. NO way.

    Go back and troll your Bruins board, fanboy.

     

     



    Why can't he, especially in key spots of the game?  If he's one of the greatest coaches ever, why is his QB making him look so bad by disobeying his play calls?

     

     

     

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    Does Claude Julien try to stop Bergeron or Tim Thomas from what they do well and try to manipulate their execution during games?

     

    Why didn't Claude fix Game 6 last week? Hmm? 

    Like I said, BB dealt Moss to try to fix Brady. He did. Brady won the MVP that year. After Welker wanted 10 mil per and then dropped a 3rd and 7 which would have helped, you know, our team in January, BB had enough.

    Wake up. BB walking from Welkie is symbolic with the change. Do you want him to go to ESPN and announce he is disappointed in Brady's postseason play? If so, what does that accomplish moving forward?

    The only guy who can help Brady is Tom Brady.

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    Yeah Belichick dealt Moss away to "fix Brady". Bawahahahahahahahahahhaaaaa! Oh my god I just pissed myself!

    It had nothing to do with him blowing up on positional coaches in the locker room in Miami or his embarrassing media meltdown that went on for 15 minutes. The Krafts frowned on those things then, they had no idea what was in store for them down the road with some of these buy low, sell high types that were currently on the roster. 

    Per usual you are a fool.

     
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    Re: WHEN Tommy has another Outstanding season this year

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    For the first time in nearly seven years this team will have to win with defense...the defense that has supposedly been rebuilt over that time span. Should be interesting. With a little luck the offense will start to click half way through the season after the rookie receivers start to learn the offense...getting Gronk back healthy would change everything.

    The guy I'm really worried about is Amendola, because that was the big risk (signing a guy to replace Wes that is hurt as often as him). People can talk all they want about how we needed, or wanted to change the offense, but they signed a player in Amendola that is supposed to be Wes Welker, only younger and bigger. 

     




     

    7 years?  Bruschi, Vrabel and Seymour at the very least were here in 2008. It's 2013. No way it's "7 years". That is ridiculous and a lie to boot.  Seven years? LOL

    Shows how disengaged you are or what a pink helmet you are.  Brady can suck but a rookie who isn't All Pro on D has his feet held to the fire. Gotcha.  Maybe you should change your panties?

    Get back to math class or realize when Brady gets his head out, that's when we win a SB.

    For the first time in years, since 2006, Brady might take some responsiblity as the best player we have, instead of being so spoiled like he has been, generally speaking, since 2007.

     

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    YUP, It's true!  BB's D blowing leads and the game since 2006.  That is 7 years.

     
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    I call him Tommy, Kraft calls him Tommy. When your name is Tom, Im sure plenty of people call him "Tommy ".

     

     



    There are guys who go by that sort of name (Billy Martin, Johnny Boychuk, Stevie Wonder, Tommy Lasorda), and others that don't (Bill Murray, John Wayne, Steve Martin, Tom Brady).

     

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    People call him both all the time. It's usually just Tom when the last name is used.

     

     
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    and what about the defense?



    Belichick has always made due with a patch work defense, they've almost always played above themselves when the playoffs started.  

    The offense was soft, it started to show some grit last season when McDaniels returned and revived the running game, but it still has a ways to go.  

    If we want to be able to score more than 13 points (Ravens last year), 17 points (Giants 2011), get blown out by the Jets at home (2010), 14 points (Ravens 2009) or 14 points (Giants 2007) than we need to be tougher on offense, we need to be able to run the ball when opposing teams know we are trying to burn time off the clock, we need physical receivers who can outmuscle a defender for the ball, we need to be the best team in the NFL at converting third downs and we need to create manageable third downs by running.

    Sorry but 14 points might have been good enough in the 80's if you possessed a shut down defense, in today's NFL that's the equivalent of a couple field goals.  The defense has been steadily improving, this season with Adrian Wilson, Tommy Kelly, Armon Armstead and host of rookies they'll be noticeably better and hopefully improve in the area that most needs it; sacks.  But we've lost because the offense couldn't execute in crunch time, a hallmark of Patriot's championships of old.

     

     
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    and what about the defense?

     



    Belichick has always made due with a patch work defense, they've almost always played above themselves when the playoffs started.  

     

    The offense was soft, it started to show some grit last season when McDaniels returned and revived the running game, but it still has a ways to go.  

    If we want to be able to score more than 13 points (Ravens last year), 17 points (Giants 2011), get blown out by the Jets at home (2010), 14 points (Ravens 2009) or 14 points (Giants 2007) than we need to be tougher on offense, we need to be able to run the ball when opposing teams know we are trying to burn time off the clock, we need physical receivers who can outmuscle a defender for the ball, we need to be the best team in the NFL at converting third downs and we need to create manageable third downs by running.

    Sorry but 14 points might have been good enough in the 80's if you possessed a shut down defense, in today's NFL that's the equivalent of a couple field goals.  The defense has been steadily improving, this season with Adrian Wilson, Tommy Kelly, Armon Armstead and host of rookies they'll be noticeably better and hopefully improve in the area that most needs it; sacks.  But we've lost because the offense couldn't execute in crunch time, a hallmark of Patriot's championships of old.

     

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    Well that's the problem.

    Offenses can't score points when the D is on the field for 2/3rds the game.

    Offenses can't run ball control when the D's is already eating up the clock.

    Offenses are not likely to sit on a lead when the D is allowing scoring on 50% of their possessions and 75% in the second half.  Allowing scores on 50-75% of drives means they are eventually going to take the lead if the O is not scoring at a significant clip.

    Ball control offenses reduce possessions.  The very LAST thing they want is to further reduce possessions.

    Better O's thrive with MORE possessions, not LESS!

    Based on points allowed and scored:

    Since 2000, only 1 team (out of the top highest 25, rated offenses) has won a SB.  The Saints in 09.  Their D was also instrumental in that win with a pick on the last drive.

    Since 2000, 5 teams with the top D in the league (out of the top 25 defenses) won the SB.

    One of those was the 03 Pats.  The 06 Pats D was rated slightly better in points allowed, than the 03 D. 14.8/14.9 ppg.  The O played over their heads, despite a horrific drop.  The D, not so much.

    D's win championships.  Period!  The top rated D's in that time have allowed 10-15 points per game in that time period.  There are many D's that still only allowing 13-15 points pg.  The Pats just happen to not be one of them.  Not since 2006, 7 long years!

    Despite the high scoring game last year (due to high possessions,) Flacco does not win the SB without the D's picks, fumble recovery, goal-line stand on the final drive and ST score.  It takes a village.

    We have seen NONE of that when it mattered most, for years.

    The Pats O has 4 of the top 25, rated O's in the past decade.  07,10,11,12.  Problem is, you can't win with a D that can't get off the field, can't get a  single 3 & out, can't make a goal line stand, can't get a pick and commits atrocious penalties, when it matters most.

    It takes a village!  The WHOLE village, not just 1/3rd of it!

     
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    Well that's the problem.

    Offenses can't score points when the D is on the field for 2/3rds the game.

    Offenses can't run ball control when the D's is already eating up the clock.

    Offenses are not likely to sit on a lead when the D is allowing scoring on 50% of their possessions and 75% in the second half.  Allowing scores on 50-75% of drives means they are eventually going to take the lead if the O is not scoring at a significant clip.

    Ball control offenses reduce possessions.  The very LAST thing they want is to further reduce possessions.

    Better O's thrive with MORE possessions, not LESS!

    Based on points allowed and scored:

    Since 2000, only 1 team (out of the top highest 25, rated offenses) has won a SB.  The Saints in 09.  Their D was also instrumental in that win with a pick on the last drive.

    Since 2000, 5 teams with the top D in the league (out of the top 25 defenses) won the SB.

    One of those was the 03 Pats.  The 06 Pats D was rated slightly better in points allowed, than the 03 D. 14.8/14.9 ppg.  The O played over their heads, despite a horrific drop.  The D, not so much.

    D's win championships.  Period!  The top rated D's in that time have allowed 10-15 points per game in that time period.  There are many D's that still only allowing 13-15 points pg.  The Pats just happen to not be one of them.  Not since 2006, 7 long years!

    Despite the high scoring game last year (due to high possessions,) Flacco does not win the SB without the D's picks, fumble recovery, goal-line stand on the final drive and ST score.  It takes a village.

    We have seen NONE of that when it mattered most, for years.

    The Pats O has 4 of the top 25, rated O's in the past decade.  07,10,11,12.  Problem is, you can't win with a D that can't get off the field, can't get a  single 3 & out, can't make a goal line stand, can't get a pick and commits atrocious penalties, when it matters most.

    It takes a village!  The WHOLE village, not just 1/3rd of it!



    This amounts to a whole lot of junk science.  

    It's the offense's job to score points.  It's the defense's job to stop points from being scored.  Blaming the defense for the playoff inefficiency of the offense is commonly referred to as passing the buck.

    The only stats that matter in football (beyond wins and losses) is points scored vs points allowed.  

    You can come up with all sorts of circular logic for it, but at the end of the day the Patriot's offense scored 17 points against the Giants and turned the ball over (the game's only turnovers) twice.  The Pat's and Giants had an equal amount of possessions and the Giants actually punted more than the Pat's... thanks defense for giving us a chance at least, offense, thanks for nothing.

    The defense has to continue to improve, the offense does as well.

     

     
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    Oh, he stops him. He just can't do it in the key spots in the game all the time.

     

     

     

     

    Regardless, he's stopped him now. Welker is gone.  No way you're a Pats fan mocking BB, the best coach in pro sports today and very arguably the greatest NFL coach of all time. NO way.

    Go back and troll your Bruins board, fanboy.

     

     

     



    Why can't he, especially in key spots of the game?  If he's one of the greatest coaches ever, why is his QB making him look so bad by disobeying his play calls?

     

     

     

     

     




    Does Claude Julien try to stop Bergeron or Tim Thomas from what they do well and try to manipulate their execution during games?

     

     

    Why didn't Claude fix Game 6 last week? Hmm? 

    Like I said, BB dealt Moss to try to fix Brady. He did. Brady won the MVP that year. After Welker wanted 10 mil per and then dropped a 3rd and 7 which would have helped, you know, our team in January, BB had enough.

    Wake up. BB walking from Welkie is symbolic with the change. Do you want him to go to ESPN and announce he is disappointed in Brady's postseason play? If so, what does that accomplish moving forward?

    The only guy who can help Brady is Tom Brady.

     



    You can not compair hockey or soccer to football....there are no real "plays in hockey" just concepts based on action and reaction of the other team.....

     

     
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