WHEN Tommy has another Outstanding season this year

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    Oh, he stops him. He just can't do it in the key spots in the game all the time.

     

     

     

     

     

    Regardless, he's stopped him now. Welker is gone.  No way you're a Pats fan mocking BB, the best coach in pro sports today and very arguably the greatest NFL coach of all time. NO way.

    Go back and troll your Bruins board, fanboy.

     

     

     

     



    Why can't he, especially in key spots of the game?  If he's one of the greatest coaches ever, why is his QB making him look so bad by disobeying his play calls?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Does Claude Julien try to stop Bergeron or Tim Thomas from what they do well and try to manipulate their execution during games?

     

     

     

    Why didn't Claude fix Game 6 last week? Hmm? 

    Like I said, BB dealt Moss to try to fix Brady. He did. Brady won the MVP that year. After Welker wanted 10 mil per and then dropped a 3rd and 7 which would have helped, you know, our team in January, BB had enough.

    Wake up. BB walking from Welkie is symbolic with the change. Do you want him to go to ESPN and announce he is disappointed in Brady's postseason play? If so, what does that accomplish moving forward?

    The only guy who can help Brady is Tom Brady.

     

     

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    You can not compair hockey or soccer to football....there are no real "plays in hockeys" just concepts based on action and reaction of the other team.....

     

     

     

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    False.  How a team plays schematically varies in each sport. The coach implements the scheme and can change it.

     

     

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    I have played both and a football coach during a game is vastly more important than a hockey coach.  Concepts being pushed are guidelines in hockey, whereas a coach calls the shots in football play by play. Now if your point is personality and ultimate goal of winning i can get that.

     In hockey you never know what the other team is going to do, who is going to have the puck, so you have to think in senerio base while playing and improvising within the guidelines you have been taught.  Football is a structured game.... offense only has to focus on one goal... same with D..... totally different game and styles of coaching.  Leting a player have freedom is part of hockey becuase there is no other way to play.   In football if your players improvise too much you lose.

     
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    Patriot's offense scored 17 points against the Giants and turned the ball over (the game's only turnovers) twice. 


    A defense getting zero turnovers in an NFL game is pisss poor defense wozzy.

     
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    For the first time in nearly seven years this team will have to win with defense...the defense that has supposedly been rebuilt over that time span. Should be interesting. With a little luck the offense will start to click half way through the season after the rookie receivers start to learn the offense...getting Gronk back healthy would change everything.

    The guy I'm really worried about is Amendola, because that was the big risk (signing a guy to replace Wes that is hurt as often as him). People can talk all they want about how we needed, or wanted to change the offense, but they signed a player in Amendola that is supposed to be Wes Welker, only younger and bigger. 

     

     

     




     

     

     

    7 years?  Bruschi, Vrabel and Seymour at the very least were here in 2008. It's 2013. No way it's "7 years". That is ridiculous and a lie to boot.  Seven years? LOL

    Shows how disengaged you are or what a pink helmet you are.  Brady can suck but a rookie who isn't All Pro on D has his feet held to the fire. Gotcha.  Maybe you should change your panties?

    Get back to math class or realize when Brady gets his head out, that's when we win a SB.

    For the first time in years, since 2006, Brady might take some responsiblity as the best player we have, instead of being so spoiled like he has been, generally speaking, since 2007.

     

     

     

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    Yeah that was fun watching that defense from 7 years ago...Bruschi post stroke who lost more than a step (painful) and watching Vrabel do the same. We all know how you like to remind everyone what Seymore had turned into during that time period. And we can't forget those midget cornerbacks. Didn't Harrison blow out a knee sometime in that time span...I can't remember, it gets all fuzzy...especially when you had Brady putting up 35 points a game on a bad week. The guy has been carrying the team for a long, long time. 

     

     

     

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    So, now it's BB's fault for not foreseeing Bruschi's stroke? Are you serious with this stuff?  I've said this before, but if I ever find out where you teach, that school will be notified they have a cuckoo running around as a teacher there.  It best be a private school where you teach, but somehow I doubt it. You're not private school material with that IQ like that.

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    Obviously BB's failure to replace that talent over time is the issue numbnuts.

     
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    and what about the defense?

     

     

     

     



    Belichick has always made due with a patch work defense, they've almost always played above themselves when the playoffs started.  

     

     

     

     

    The offense was soft, it started to show some grit last season when McDaniels returned and revived the running game, but it still has a ways to go.  

    If we want to be able to score more than 13 points (Ravens last year), 17 points (Giants 2011), get blown out by the Jets at home (2010), 14 points (Ravens 2009) or 14 points (Giants 2007) than we need to be tougher on offense, we need to be able to run the ball when opposing teams know we are trying to burn time off the clock, we need physical receivers who can outmuscle a defender for the ball, we need to be the best team in the NFL at converting third downs and we need to create manageable third downs by running.

    Sorry but 14 points might have been good enough in the 80's if you possessed a shut down defense, in today's NFL that's the equivalent of a couple field goals.  The defense has been steadily improving, this season with Adrian Wilson, Tommy Kelly, Armon Armstead and host of rookies they'll be noticeably better and hopefully improve in the area that most needs it; sacks.  But we've lost because the offense couldn't execute in crunch time, a hallmark of Patriot's championships of old.

     

     

     

     




    Well that's the problem.

     

     

     

    Offenses can't score points when the D is on the field for 2/3rds the game.

    Offenses can't run ball control when the D's is already eating up the clock.

    Offenses are not likely to sit on a lead when the D is allowing scoring on 50% of their possessions and 75% in the second half.  Allowing scores on 50-75% of drives means they are eventually going to take the lead if the O is not scoring at a significant clip.

    Ball control offenses reduce possessions.  The very LAST thing they want is to further reduce possessions.

    Better O's thrive with MORE possessions, not LESS!

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    Since 2000, only 1 team (out of the top highest 25, rated offenses) has won a SB.  The Saints in 09.  Their D was also instrumental in that win with a pick on the last drive.

    Since 2000, 5 teams with the top D in the league (out of the top 25 defenses) won the SB.

    One of those was the 03 Pats.  The 06 Pats D was rated slightly better in points allowed, than the 03 D. 14.8/14.9 ppg.  The O played over their heads, despite a horrific drop.  The D, not so much.

    D's win championships.  Period!  The top rated D's in that time have allowed 10-15 points per game in that time period.  There are many D's that still only allowing 13-15 points pg.  The Pats just happen to not be one of them.  Not since 2006, 7 long years!

    Despite the high scoring game last year (due to high possessions,) Flacco does not win the SB without the D's picks, fumble recovery, goal-line stand on the final drive and ST score.  It takes a village.

    We have seen NONE of that when it mattered most, for years.

    The Pats O has 4 of the top 25, rated O's in the past decade.  07,10,11,12.  Problem is, you can't win with a D that can't get off the field, can't get a  single 3 & out, can't make a goal line stand, can't get a pick and commits atrocious penalties, when it matters most.

    It takes a village!  The WHOLE village, not just 1/3rd of it!

     

     




    Does that include our QB being lazy with throws and tossing iNTs and/or taking Safeties?  bawhhahaa

     

     

    It takes a village alright. It also includes the village idiot not being an idiot as the QB.

     




    You are beyond ridiculous.  The 2009 AFC games, the D put the O in a LARGE hole to start the game.  Most PICKS are thrown when O's are behind.  That is the ONLY reason the Pats D got any. 10 pick team without huge leads.

     

    Again the 2012 game= desperation mode after the D failed to get a single goal-line stop.

    5 of those picks were in desperation after poor defensive play.

    You need to learn the game.  No team has ever won a SB with a DPR higher than 87. 

    Not junk science just PURE FACT!

    No team has ever won a SB with their D not making a single goal line stand or getting a single pick plus not a single fumble recovery plus not a single 3 and out.

    Never happened, never will and I don't give a flip who the QB is.

    How many games did Montana win with his D not making a single goal line stand and  not a single pick and  not a single fumble recovery and  not a single 3 and out?  Any?

    Not junk science, just common sense.  We all know you don't have any!  BWAHAHAHAHA

     
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    Rusty! Man can you give it up for a minute?   Quite a few of us agree that the shot gun spread is not the best offensive strategy for a prolonged game plan to control the ball.  How can you seriously be so obtuse as to totally absolve BB when out of the other side of your mouth you talk about  how a coach “implements the scheme and can change it”.  So is BB responsible for the Shotgun spread use or not?

     
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    Well that's the problem.

    Offenses can't score points when the D is on the field for 2/3rds the game.

    Offenses can't run ball control when the D's is already eating up the clock.

    Offenses are not likely to sit on a lead when the D is allowing scoring on 50% of their possessions and 75% in the second half.  Allowing scores on 50-75% of drives means they are eventually going to take the lead if the O is not scoring at a significant clip.

    Ball control offenses reduce possessions.  The very LAST thing they want is to further reduce possessions.

    Better O's thrive with MORE possessions, not LESS!

    Based on points allowed and scored:

    Since 2000, only 1 team (out of the top highest 25, rated offenses) has won a SB.  The Saints in 09.  Their D was also instrumental in that win with a pick on the last drive.

    Since 2000, 5 teams with the top D in the league (out of the top 25 defenses) won the SB.

    One of those was the 03 Pats.  The 06 Pats D was rated slightly better in points allowed, than the 03 D. 14.8/14.9 ppg.  The O played over their heads, despite a horrific drop.  The D, not so much.

    D's win championships.  Period!  The top rated D's in that time have allowed 10-15 points per game in that time period.  There are many D's that still only allowing 13-15 points pg.  The Pats just happen to not be one of them.  Not since 2006, 7 long years!

    Despite the high scoring game last year (due to high possessions,) Flacco does not win the SB without the D's picks, fumble recovery, goal-line stand on the final drive and ST score.  It takes a village.

    We have seen NONE of that when it mattered most, for years.

    The Pats O has 4 of the top 25, rated O's in the past decade.  07,10,11,12.  Problem is, you can't win with a D that can't get off the field, can't get a  single 3 & out, can't make a goal line stand, can't get a pick and commits atrocious penalties, when it matters most.

    It takes a village!  The WHOLE village, not just 1/3rd of it!

     



    This amounts to a whole lot of junk science.  

     

    It's the offense's job to score points.  It's the defense's job to stop points from being scored.  Blaming the defense for the playoff inefficiency of the offense is commonly referred to as passing the buck.

    The only stats that matter in football (beyond wins and losses) is points scored vs points allowed.  

    You can come up with all sorts of circular logic for it, but at the end of the day the Patriot's offense scored 17 points against the Giants and turned the ball over (the game's only turnovers) twice.  The Pat's and Giants had an equal amount of possessions and the Giants actually punted more than the Pat's... thanks defense for giving us a chance at least, offense, thanks for nothing.

    The defense has to continue to improve, the offense does as well.

     

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    So, the FACT that only 1 team with the top rated O has won the SB in the last decade (which was won on a defensive play)

    And the FACT that 5 teams with the top DEFENSE ( Including the Pats) have won a SB in the same time period, is junk science and completely irrelevant?

    I would say a 5/1 ratio in a decade is totally relevant and indisputable.

    And the FACT that the poor DPR of the Pats and any team that has ever played, was 100% detrimental to the team, is junk science?

    C'mon, Woozy.  You are better than that.

     
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    Belichick has always made due with a patch work defense, they've almost always played above themselves when the playoffs started.  

     

     

     

     

    The offense was soft, it started to show some grit last season when McDaniels returned and revived the running game, but it still has a ways to go.  

    If we want to be able to score more than 13 points (Ravens last year), 17 points (Giants 2011), get blown out by the Jets at home (2010), 14 points (Ravens 2009) or 14 points (Giants 2007) than we need to be tougher on offense, we need to be able to run the ball when opposing teams know we are trying to burn time off the clock, we need physical receivers who can outmuscle a defender for the ball, we need to be the best team in the NFL at converting third downs and we need to create manageable third downs by running.

    Sorry but 14 points might have been good enough in the 80's if you possessed a shut down defense, in today's NFL that's the equivalent of a couple field goals.  The defense has been steadily improving, this season with Adrian Wilson, Tommy Kelly, Armon Armstead and host of rookies they'll be noticeably better and hopefully improve in the area that most needs it; sacks.  But we've lost because the offense couldn't execute in crunch time, a hallmark of Patriot's championships of old.

     

     

     

     




    Well that's the problem.

     

     

     

    Offenses can't score points when the D is on the field for 2/3rds the game.

    Offenses can't run ball control when the D's is already eating up the clock.

    Offenses are not likely to sit on a lead when the D is allowing scoring on 50% of their possessions and 75% in the second half.  Allowing scores on 50-75% of drives means they are eventually going to take the lead if the O is not scoring at a significant clip.

    Ball control offenses reduce possessions.  The very LAST thing they want is to further reduce possessions.

    Better O's thrive with MORE possessions, not LESS!

    Based on points allowed and scored:

    Since 2000, only 1 team (out of the top highest 25, rated offenses) has won a SB.  The Saints in 09.  Their D was also instrumental in that win with a pick on the last drive.

    Since 2000, 5 teams with the top D in the league (out of the top 25 defenses) won the SB.

    One of those was the 03 Pats.  The 06 Pats D was rated slightly better in points allowed, than the 03 D. 14.8/14.9 ppg.  The O played over their heads, despite a horrific drop.  The D, not so much.

    D's win championships.  Period!  The top rated D's in that time have allowed 10-15 points per game in that time period.  There are many D's that still only allowing 13-15 points pg.  The Pats just happen to not be one of them.  Not since 2006, 7 long years!

    Despite the high scoring game last year (due to high possessions,) Flacco does not win the SB without the D's picks, fumble recovery, goal-line stand on the final drive and ST score.  It takes a village.

    We have seen NONE of that when it mattered most, for years.

    The Pats O has 4 of the top 25, rated O's in the past decade.  07,10,11,12.  Problem is, you can't win with a D that can't get off the field, can't get a  single 3 & out, can't make a goal line stand, can't get a pick and commits atrocious penalties, when it matters most.

    It takes a village!  The WHOLE village, not just 1/3rd of it!

     

     




    Does that include our QB being lazy with throws and tossing iNTs and/or taking Safeties?  bawhhahaa

     

     

    It takes a village alright. It also includes the village idiot not being an idiot as the QB.

     




    You are beyond ridiculous.  The 2009 AFC games, the D put the O in a LARGE hole to start the game.  Most PICKS are thrown when O's are behind.  That is the ONLY reason the Pats D got any. 10 pick team without huge leads.

     

    Again the 2012 game= desperation mode after the D failed to get a single goal-line stop.

    5 of those picks were in desperation after poor defensive play.

    You need to learn the game.  No team has ever won a SB with a DPR higher than 87. 

    Not junk science just PURE FACT!

    No team has ever won a SB with their D not making a single goal line stand or getting a single pick plus not a single fumble recovery plus not a single 3 and out.

    Never happened, never will and I don't give a flip who the QB is.

    How many games did Montana win with his D not making a single goal line stand and  not a single pick and  not a single fumble recovery and  not a single 3 and out?  Any?

    Not junk science, just common sense.  We all know you don't have any!  BWAHAHAHAHA

     



    I am not even counting 2009.  I was talking about his 6 TDs and 7 INTs in 3 AFC title games. We didn't even play Baltimore in the AFC title game in 2009, Corky.  Learn the facts.

     

    We weren't winning a SB that year. I said that on this board during the year.  The D didn't play well, nor did the offense. Nothing went right whatsoever that day.

    "No team has ever won a SB without making a single 'goal line' stand.".....??? LOL!

    Yes, it's pre-requisite or a rite of passage to win a SB where a defense must have a goal line stand to be a SB kind of defense in the SB itself. 

    Tears!

    You've said some really stupid things here before, but that was a beaute! 

    "Goal line stand in the SB" or bust!   Absolutely priceless.

    PS your "3 and out" routine is also pointless because 13 points allowed is the result. It's irrelevant if you have 10 3 and outs or zero if your D allows 13 points, waiting for the offense to not screw up on 4 drives in the 4th qtr. GUess what? Our offense SCREWED UP ROYALLY.

     

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    Name one SB winner where the D failed to get a 3 and out and a turn over  and spent nearly 5 minutes on the field per possession, reducing the possessions to 8-9 and allowed the other team to score on 50% of their possessions.

    If you can't than I suggest you ZIP it for life.

     

     
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    Rusty! Man can you give it up for a minute?   Quite a few of us agree that the shot gun spread is not the best offensive strategy for a prolonged game plan to control the ball.  How can you seriously be so obtuse as to totally absolve BB when out of the other side of your mouth you talk about  how a coach “implements the scheme and can change it”.  So is BB responsible for the Shotgun spread use or not?

     




    Yes, he is. I;ve said he's partially responsible. I also have pointed out examples where he's interjected to not use it, traded players, walked from FAs, and has wanted Brady to be comfortable in what he wants to perform well.

     

    I am just not going to pretend BB is the guy to blame as Brady rears back and lobs a duck up for grabs, audibles and then throws an INT or takes a Safety because of laziness. That's not BB's fault and it's utterly ridiculous to try to pretend it is.

    You can see last year there were making a concerted effort to run more (Ridley, 1500 yards), so it's clear BB, as the coach, has seen this as a problem.

     

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    You know hind sight is 20/20 but that safety call was on first play of the game at it wasn't because of lazyness... it may have been a mistake but that was a planed play that got blown up.  I have seen numerous games in my life time that they didn't call a safety or intentional grounding on similar throws and some they have it is what it is... in the end a mistake.

    If anything the Giants were ready for it so the coaches take some fualt it the play call.  It was scripted.

     

     

    I also can live with an attempt to go down field on a broken play.  This wan't some duck he threw from the pocket like Tebow... It was a throw on the run that he tried to throw deep... many QB's have thrown picks or bad passes in the same situation.  The question is when a QB see his TE on LB, I would want them to take that chance. 

    I would bet BB would want TB to take the same chance in that senerio.

     

    All you have pointed out still has nothing to do with you blaming TB for how the team is coached and plays.

     

     
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    Is it also a "common mistake" for me to predict Brady passing 40+ times with leads in these games, only to help us lose games because he said he preferred the shotgun on the Dennis and Callahan morning show on WEEI one Monday morning back in 2010?



    Maybe New England should bring in a coach who is man enough to stand up to the QB.

     
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    I emailed WEEI for access to  it and I've searched for it, but I never heard back. I am telling you right now, it exists. He said it. It was around the time Moss was traded in 2010. They would post it, transcripted, every Monday after Brady gives the interview. I read it. I was shocked he gave away what could be considered team intel like that, too.

     

    Enough with the insults claiming I "made it up". Do you really think I would be this firm on this topic if I hadn't surprisingly read his own comments about it?

    Once I read it and then started seeing him fall back into the trap of the 2009 offense, during 2011, that is WHY I started the "Elephant in the Room" thread after the Buffalo debacle in Week 3 of 2011.

    It clicked.  I realized why it kept happening.



    Why isn't the coach addressing this problem?

     
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     We go round and round on this same argument.  Wozzy is right that ultimately all that matters is points scored and points given up, but other stats are helpful if you are trying to understand what happened in a game and, more important, what you need to fix.  In SB 46 the offense was lame (Gronk's actual lameness probably had the most to do with that, though the line played poorly, and the other "skill" players made their fair share of mistakes).  The defense, however, also did not play well.  While they did hold the point total down, they allowed far too many long possessions and gave up points on too large a percentage of Giant drives.  They also just got blown apart on the Giants' final TD drive.  Both sides of the ball failed in that game.  As I've said before, that team lacked true championship talent and it is a credit to the coaching staff that that team got as far as it did.  

     
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    I emailed WEEI for access to  it and I've searched for it, but I never heard back. I am telling you right now, it exists. He said it. It was around the time Moss was traded in 2010. They would post it, transcripted, every Monday after Brady gives the interview. I read it. I was shocked he gave away what could be considered team intel like that, too.

     

     

    Enough with the insults claiming I "made it up". Do you really think I would be this firm on this topic if I hadn't surprisingly read his own comments about it?

    Once I read it and then started seeing him fall back into the trap of the 2009 offense, during 2011, that is WHY I started the "Elephant in the Room" thread after the Buffalo debacle in Week 3 of 2011.

    It clicked.  I realized why it kept happening.

     



    Why isn't the coach addressing this problem?

     

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    Because it's not the problem . . . 

     

     
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    Another "outstanding" season?  When was his last?

     

    Since February 2005 , the Patriots have managed to: 

    Turn the ball over 5 times in Denver (highlighted by a Champ Bailey red zone interception returned 100 yards).

    Blow the biggest lead in NFL Championship Game history (21-3) to Manning’s Colts.

    Score just 14 points in the monster upset that was Super Bowl XLII (beat Giants 38-35 in regular season finale in New York).

    Lose by 19 points at home to the Baltimore Ravens with three Brady turnovers in the first quarter (beat Ravens 27-21 in regular season).

    With the best record in the league, lose at home, 28-21, to the Jets after beating them 45-3 as part of an 8-game winning streak (37.4 PPG). Brady ended his no-interception streak on the first drive.

    Score just 17 points and lose their third straight game to Eli Manning’s Giants, who bookended New England’s 10-game winning streak (averaged 35.9 PPG).

    That’s a significant portion of the last decade of playoff football summed up right there. If all these other teams and quarterbacks have such holes on the playoff resume, then why are the Colts and Manning still a lightning rod for playoff criticism?

     
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    Re: WHEN Tommy has another Outstanding season this year

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    A defense getting zero turnovers in an NFL game is pisss poor defense wozzy.



    Agree totally that when your bread and butter is turnovers getting none in the Super Bowl will be considered a good thing, I don't admonish the defense for penalties and the rest, but they didn't surrender a lot of points either.  

    A lot of that was Eli, them running the ball and playing a more conservative brand of football, which we can take a lesson from going forward.

     
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    Re: WHEN Tommy has another Outstanding season this year

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     We go round and round on this same argument.  Wozzy is right that ultimately all that matters is points scored and points given up, but other stats are helpful if you are trying to understand what happened in a game and, more important, what you need to fix.  In SB 46 the offense was lame (Gronk's actual lameness probably had the most to do with that, though the line played poorly, and the other "skill" players made their fair share of mistakes).  The defense, however, also did not play well.  While they did hold the point total down, they allowed far too many long possessions and gave up points on too large a percentage of Giant drives.  They also just got blown apart on the Giants' final TD drive.  Both sides of the ball failed in that game.  As I've said before, that team lacked true championship talent and it is a credit to the coaching staff that that team got as far as it did.  

     



    Did you ever notice the intangible stats that I bring to the discussion (game management, accuracy, decision making, etc) aren't "stats" and are also VITAL in understanding the WHY to this PROBLEM?  

     

    You just said above it's not the problem and then you ignore the reality, stats, what happens and the actual intangibles you strive to ignore.  It's quite comical, but also very annoying ad arrogant.

    Do you just leave the AFC title game in your Brady jersey, throw up your hands on the way out and say "well, Brady was great again, it's all the Ds fault"?

    lmao

    You cherrypicking stats that don't even tell the whole story is over here. You lost. You'll only best me and others in this debate when Brady throws 40+ time, over 50% in the shotgun spread and we win a SB.  Until that happens, you've lost the debate.

     

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    All those things are important, but also very subjective.  I see lots of things that contribute to the Pats' losses.  You seem to think the whole game depends solely on one player.  Believe me, if it did, the Pats would have better success because whatever mistakes Brady makes (and he does make some) they are far outweighed by his successful plays.  If only you could say the same about all other positions.  But you can't.  The secondary has been just bad for years.  And many other units are mediocre or lacking in depth.  Brady is by no means perfect, but the Pats are much closer to perfection at QB than they are at any other position.  Your argument is extreme--as if the rest of the team means nothing and every win or loss is solely on Brady.  Maybe you think the rest of the team is so bad that the Pats need Brady to be perfect, like a messiah.  Personally, I think the rest of the team does matter and is reasonably good, despite some issues at some positions, and to win requires exceptional play from everyone, not just Brady.  In the playoff losses Brady may not have been stellar, but neither have others . . . and all those others are at least as much to blame as Brady.  Missed blocks matter.  Dropped balls matter.  Defensive offside penalties mater.  Too many opposing team completions matter. Football is a team game and the losses are on the whole team and all the players, not just Brady.  If you watch the film you see lots of mistakes by lots of players.  Brady is just one part of a much bigger picture.

     
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