Where are all the people who attacked my assessment of our cbs over the past 2 years, esp mcc and arring

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    Re: Where are all the people who attacked my assessment of our cbs over the past 2 years, esp mcc and arring

    Someone mentioned above that you can't blame the secondary because of the poor job the front seven did...why not? On more than a few occassions Arington was beat so quickly and so badly that no pass rush would of helped (as it turns out there was none, but it didn't matter). A pass rush also is not going to help McCourty and Gregory make a tackle that a pop warner player could of made either. And when is Dowling going to contribute? Guys that were taken at the top of the second round aren't supposed to do as little as this guy has over the time he's been here.

    I DO think a pass rush would help, but bredbru has a point...the secondary is poor. 

     
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    Re: Where are all the people who attacked my assessment of our cbs over the past 2 years, esp mcc and arring

    In response to DelGriffith's comment:

    In response to MattC05's comment:

    In response to CablesWyndBairn's comment:

    I may be in the minority, but other than the few poor penalties McCourty had I thought he was solid. 


    I said the same thing in another thread.  The only bad plays McCourty had were the final PI and the whiffed tackle on Pitta's touchdown.  Other than that, he actually had a fantastic game, and looked better in coverage than he has in 2 years.




    AGree. If the D Line and front 7 played better, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.  BdBreu doesn't know the game of football and very may be a troll.

    He can't put it together that the pass rush is tied to the secondary, just like it is for every single NFL team.



    no, no one here knows that mr iq

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    Re: Where are all the people who attacked my assessment of our cbs over the past 2 years, esp mcc and arring

    In response to patsfan76's comment:

    In response to ClifordWasHere's comment:

    McCourty will be a top 5 CB by the end of the year.  He has already played better than Revis.  The Jets were getting burned with Revis playing this year.  They now have the two worst starting CBs in the NFL.  Bust Kylie Wilson will be exposed when he starts for the first time in his career.  Cromartie will now have the spotlight on him as he holds on every play and will be exposed trying to handle Lloyd.




     

     

    I dont know what to say to this. I Guess you would be right about him being better than Revis THIS year because Revis is OUT for the year but why on earth you wanna put yourself on record as saying # 32 will be top 5 by years end is beyond me. I dont even expect that or need that from him. Just make the plays when they present themselves. Do you realize how many starting CBs are out there. 32 times 2 is what? 64! and you think Devin will be in the top 5??? based on what?? Your Homerism and love for cheering on and propping up garbage defenders??   Always talking about Kyle Wilson but heres the thing bro, Wilson has gotten much better since his rookie year and will have a chance to start. He hasnt regressed like McCourty so stop saying silly stuff that dont make any sense




    Lol this is at least the 2nd time you've lashed out at fake Rusty. Lay off the reefer my friend!

     
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    Re: Where are all the people who attacked my assessment of our cbs over the past 2 years, esp mcc and arring

    In response to p-mike's comment:

    Maybe they're having pina coladas at Trader Vicks.

     

     

     



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    Re: Where are all the people who attacked my assessment of our cbs over the past 2 years, esp mcc and arring

    Hey didn't Mr. Secondary and Salary Cap Expert suggest we trade Brady after the Cardinals game and start Mallett? Bawahahaha!! Yeah let's listen to a guy that knows nothing about football! Hey how is your future hall of fame offensive guard (Thomas) doing?  

     
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    In response to pcmIV's comment:

    We could have had Ty Law and Mike Haynes out there and they would have been left out to dry by the pass rush.  There is a reason that BB refuses to hand out huge contracts that the top CBs command and chooses to use draft picks and guys off the street.  The best corners in the world aren't going to do squat with no pressure on the QB.  Flacco had all day to throw.  You can't spend big money on every position on the team.  The Ravens handed out 10 million a year to Webb and what good did it do against Brady when he had all day to throw.  Top tier corners alone do not win Super Bowls.




    Except Law and Haynes would have actually caught the 2 intereceptions that McCourty butter-fingered and the one where Arrington fell on his ar$e. It's called "ball skills." Our CB's have none.

     
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    Re: Where are all the people who attacked my assessment of our cbs over the past 2 years, esp mcc and arring

    Pretty hard to cover when the QB has all day to throw.. for anyone.  Still, I don't like them.  But since they are the CBs we have right now, what is the point in going on and on like you can DO something about it?  All you people who want to run the team by mail make me laugh.  

     
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    Re: Where are all the people who attacked my assessment of our cbs over the past 2 years, esp mcc and arring

    In response to mthurl's comment:

    Someone mentioned above that you can't blame the secondary because of the poor job the front seven did...why not? On more than a few occassions Arington was beat so quickly and so badly that no pass rush would of helped (as it turns out there was none, but it didn't matter). A pass rush also is not going to help McCourty and Gregory make a tackle that a pop warner player could of made either. And when is Dowling going to contribute? Guys that were taken at the top of the second round aren't supposed to do as little as this guy has over the time he's been here.

    I DO think a pass rush would help, but bredbru has a point...the secondary is poor. 




    Fair enough, but the question here is can we win a SB with the current secondary.  I think with a decent pass rush there is enough raw ability for them to be effective enough.  Brdbreu seems to think we need a top 5 secondary to win a SB.  I don't agree.

     
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    Re: Where are all the people who attacked my assessment of our cbs over the past 2 years, esp mcc and arring

    In response to pcmIV's comment:

    In response to mthurl's comment:

    Someone mentioned above that you can't blame the secondary because of the poor job the front seven did...why not? On more than a few occassions Arington was beat so quickly and so badly that no pass rush would of helped (as it turns out there was none, but it didn't matter). A pass rush also is not going to help McCourty and Gregory make a tackle that a pop warner player could of made either. And when is Dowling going to contribute? Guys that were taken at the top of the second round aren't supposed to do as little as this guy has over the time he's been here.

    I DO think a pass rush would help, but bredbru has a point...the secondary is poor. 




    Fair enough, but the question here is can we win a SB with the current secondary.  I think with a decent pass rush there is enough raw ability for them to be effective enough.  Brdbreu seems to think we need a top 5 secondary to win a SB.  I don't agree.



    Ok, and that's fair enough too. I remember us winning with Troy Brown and no Ty Law back there, but that front seven was much different than this one. So yeah I do think you can win with a poor secondary.

     
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    Re: Where are all the people who attacked my assessment of our cbs over the past 2 years, esp mcc and arring

    The DB's are a mixed bag and I don't put complete blame on them but they do deserve some responsibility. Here's my assessment so far:

     

    McCourty - Closer to 10' then 11' so far but not up to his rookie year standards yet. A number of plays people blame on him were actually scheme based (ie zone where he passed to the S but the S was late to over the top coverage) or lack of a pass rush at times (no CB can hold for more then 5s). He's got some things to improve on but he is starting caliber CB, just not a top 10 CB this year, yet

    Arrington - Arrington is what Arrington is. I said it before and will say it again. He's a bottom #2 CB or a very good #3 CB. As such he's going to get beat and get beat bad at times. Unlike McCourty you can't look at scheme or time as a factor as much with Arrington and what we've seen so far is what to expect. He's hit his ceiling and if looking for starting CB money next year he'll be gone

    Moore - Has completely disappeared. Last year he showed a ton on promise and looked like he was improving but has taken a giant step backwards. Call it a sophmore slump but he needs to start improving quickly.

    Ras - much like Moore has taken a step backwards but unlike Moore has shown flashes that his ability is still intact. BB using his as the slot CB shows a lot of faith in the kid seeing as most teams slot WR/TE are the 2nd target on the field now a days. If he can get over the hump I expect him to be the #2 starting CB by the end of the year. He's still got a ways to go before hitting his ceiling

    Dennard - Dennard needs to get on the field. To me he's made some rook mistakes but his potential is much higher then Moores as shown in pre-season. It might take half a season for him to get reps but I think by the end of the year our 3 main CB's might be McCourty, Ras, and Dennard

    Cole - #6 CB need I say more?

    Chung - Chung has been one of the best on the field for the DB core people might laugh at me for this, considering many feel like he's been out of position, but between the DC using them as jumping jacks trying to disguise coverages and Chungs role as main TE coverage he's positioned himself nicely to keep plays infront of him while minimizing the TE. He's done very well so far

    Gregory - hard to get a read on him. Sometimes he looks like a top 10 FS and at others he's completely out of position and late getting to the ball. He needs to be more consistent helping the undernether coverage by covering overtop. A number of the long passes last week were do to him being late in coverage or being out of position

    Wilson - Needs to play more. The kid is better then practicully all of us thought coming out of the gate except for a select few. In his limited role he's excelled. I'm not sure he's ready to take a large leap to a more prominant role but he's certainly earned a consistent spot in nickel and dime coverages.

    Ebner - is a project but has looked his part when in the box. He's still getting up to speed with the game and has a lot to learn but he's progressing. He should be improved enough to get sub package reps by the end of the year on rushing or short yard downs

     

    All in all it's not a great DB core but I'd call them average to above average. What they really need is to get some help from the front 7. Last game Flacco could have made tea and knitted a scraf with the amount of time he had. No DB core is going to last long if the front 7 can't add pressure. Remember the D starts in the trenches and works out, not the other way around. As the DB core gels and improves, provided the front 7 gets some consistency in pressure, I expect them to be fine. Certainly not a top 5 secondary but I don't think it would be out of question that they could be a top 12 secondary

     
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