Where is the pass rush?

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    Where is the pass rush?

    We all know how the Pats were, on third down last year. What has BB done to help us get to the QB. You can sign Db's and an ILB but where is the Rush. We had 11 picks. Brace is a run stuffer and probably a good pick, but with 11 Picks all that flexability to move up or down to adress the Pass Rush. I must be missing something. Even if we do sign Jason Taylor.Larry English, Connor Barwin , even Paul Kruger.
     
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    [QUOTE]didn't you play in the Pac-10? go tryout for OLB, you sound like you can do a better job.
    Posted by ricky12684[/QUOTE] I played Strong Safety before I had my Back broken, otherwise you would of seen me in the NFL Smart As# like my Roomate Eric Allen.
     
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    [QUOTE]We all know how the Pats were, on third down last year. What has BB done to help us get to the QB. You can sign Db's and an ILB but where is the Rush. We had 11 picks. Brace is a run stuffer and probably a good pick, but with 11 Picks all that flexability to move up or down to adress the Pass Rush. I must be missing something. Even if we do sign Jason Taylor.Larry English, Connor Barwin , even Paul Kruger.
    Posted by patriots44[/QUOTE]

    Well, Taylor would be better than any of those rookies.  I wonder if they'd have taken English if he was there though?  Barwin has Mike Mamula written all over him in my opinion.  He has to be satisfied with what he has, AD coming back, developing guys like Crable, etc., maybe adding Taylor, even Banta Cain might contribute more than a rookie would. 
     
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    Hey Patriots44 - what did you think of the Chung pick?
     
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    Guys quit attacking patriots44.  So he disagrees with BB's first draft choice.  I hope he's wrong but good for him for forming an independent opinion.  Are only people who agree with everything BB does allowed in here? 
     
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    I just hope that P. Chung is NOT related to Eugene Chung that we drafted in the early 90's.

     
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    BB must see something in one of last years draft picks.  I think it's safe to say TBC in not the answer.
     
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    A failed pac 10 player but great Monday morning quarterback.
     
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    I agree the pass rush needs improving.  I think Jason Taylor will help in that spot.  I think Pierre Woods is going to surprise a lot of people this year.  I think he played well in the few games he started before getting injured(he had a big pass defelction at begining of jets game and huge sack of Favre in OT). 

    I would have liked to have seen the Pats draft Paul Kruger or Clint Sintim in the 2nd round, or later in the draft guys like Lawrence Sidbury, Jasper Brinkley(he's a ILB) Lee Robinson OLB Alcorn St, Stryker Sulak DE/OLB from Missouri or Orion Martin OLB from Virginia Tech.  I think they needed to take a chance on a couple of guys late in the draft and see if they hit on one of them.   Hopefully some of these guys might be undrafted and come to camp as UFA's. 
     
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    Maybe the team signs JT, but I think with Woods, Crable & TBC opposite of AT there will be some healthy competition at the OLB position and with a healthy DL the pass rush should improve.

    For all the bla bla bla about Vrabel other than 2007 when every game the opposing team was throwing from their 3rd series and he had double digit sacks, his last couple of seasons, like Teddy have been lacking big plays and Mike became replaceable..
     
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    I must say I am a little disappointed so far that the Pats haven't addressed 1 of the glaring weaknesses from last year in pass rushing. I hope that there is something in the works eg peppers or Taylor. Why waste that potent offence and genius of Brady with a bad D
     
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    [QUOTE]I must say I am a little disappointed so far that the Pats haven't addressed 1 of the glaring weaknesses from last year in pass rushing. I hope that there is something in the works eg peppers or Taylor. Why waste that potent offence and genius of Brady with a bad D
    Posted by Brad34[/QUOTE]

    Question is; was the rush less than it could be because the DBs couldn't cover anybody for more than 3 seconds? Could be. The previous year they were 2nd in sacks. I think it was an excellent draft.
     
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    Best guess, Crable was awful last year because he was a straight up rookie playing the NFL's most complex defense, and then he got injured.  Maybe BB sees something in the kid that we don't see.  He's got great tools.
     
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    It takes at least two years for most rookies to develop. I'm looking for some much improved play from Crable and Guyton this year. Redd also. If Jason Taylor doesn't come here, you know Bill has a lot of confidence in last years rookies to get the job done. After what happened with Cassel last year....I will never ever doubt Bill again.
     
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    [QUOTE]We all know how the Pats were, on third down last year. What has BB done to help us get to the QB. You can sign Db's and an ILB but where is the Rush. We had 11 picks. Brace is a run stuffer and probably a good pick, but with 11 Picks all that flexability to move up or down to adress the Pass Rush. I must be missing something. Even if we do sign Jason Taylor.Larry English, Connor Barwin , even Paul Kruger.
    Posted by patriots44[/QUOTE]hey dumbie- sorry, but if you are so smart, why don`t you read the scouting report on each and every  player that belichick drafted? if you want to know how GREAT this draft was..loook at the second #6 pick..the DT Pyror...he has what NFL scouts consider to have "explosive speed" as a pass rusher. in other words they have a 'dwight freeny type' when they want to get at the opposing QB...OR when they want the other team think that belichick is going to rush the QB. he`s not so good ag ainst the run...thus far, but the is the guy in this draft that projects to be able to get to the QB.  come on now...."In Bill We Trust."
     
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    [QUOTE]Guys quit attacking patriots44.  So he disagrees with BB's first draft choice.  I hope he's wrong but good for him for forming an independent opinion.  Are only people who agree with everything BB does allowed in here? 
    Posted by themightypatriots[/QUOTE]

    Its not his opinion we object to its the fact that he thinks because he played football ( 22 years ago ) that he knows more about football then the rest of us.
    There are hundreds of thousands of men who would have made it if,but,only...thats life. Sorry it happened. Don't take it out on us.
     
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    [QUOTE]We all know how the Pats were, on third down last year. What has BB done to help us get to the QB. You can sign Db's and an ILB but where is the Rush. We had 11 picks. Brace is a run stuffer and probably a good pick, but with 11 Picks all that flexability to move up or down to adress the Pass Rush. I must be missing something. Even if we do sign Jason Taylor.Larry English, Connor Barwin , even Paul Kruger.
    Posted by patriots44[/QUOTE]

    I think the answer is already in house. AD comes back, last years injured rookies are a year smarter in the system ( even Mayo said he missed plays last year ) and better able to do their job. BB has said he didn't like this years draft and he of course decides what the real value of a player is, not our draft boards. Only time will tell who made the correct picks. 
     
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    [QUOTE]hey dumbie- sorry, but if you are so smart, why don`t you read the scouting report on each and every  player that belichick drafted? if you want to know how GREAT this draft was..loook at the second #6 pick..the DT Pyror...he has what NFL scouts consider to have "explosive speed" as a pass rusher. in other words they have a 'dwight freeny type' when they want to get at the opposing QB...OR when they want the other team think that belichick is going to rush the QB. he`s not so good ag ainst the run...thus far, but the is the guy in this draft that projects to be able to get to the QB.  come on now...."In Bill We Trust."
    Posted by campp[/QUOTE]thats just it.they all look good on paper.we wont know if they pan out in the NFL for a year,or two.BB knows what he is doing,but know way does he know what a players future holds.ask ellis hobbs.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AqdRo7saPeF3d9WMsdGdY7FDubYF?slug=sixcontendersexitnfldraf&prov=tsn&type=lgns
     
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    I am not that worried about that. That article unwittingly raises perhaps the best point about this to put this into perspective.

    During their "run" NE didn't have 25 sacks from two OLBs. They never had that kind of defense.

    They averaged about 15 between the two, and picked up the rest of the sacks from the three man front and a smattering of safety and CB blitzes and occaisonal four man fronts.

    And Ne only averaged like 41 sacks per season then. So at 31 they missed out on ten. Improved coverage (which is all but assured next season) will probably  net them another two or three coverage sacks. Adalius Thomas healthy all year can net them another four. That leaves a gap of about three that needs to be covered by the ROLB (Vrabel had a terrible season in this regard with just four).

    I think they can get seven sacks out of Crable et al. It is more important that the secondary plays well. What they *never* did in those seasons was lead the NFL in passing TDs given up.

    Last year they were gashed for 27 TDs. Between their Superbowl years they *averaged* about 14-15 per season, good for best or second best.

    Even in 2007 when the "D" was over-rated they gave up 23 passes for TD's (really the stupendous offense masked their problems inside and at the edge). Despite have a monster sack year (47) their "D" had trouble getting off the field, and fittingly the season ended with Ellis Hobbs getting embarrased by Plax in the end zone, and a string of coverage failures (Harrison a step late, a drop here, a guy left wide open, etc) really cost them that game from the defensive side against a vastly inferior NJ offense. 

    Like I said. Fixing this defense was academic. Fix the DB's. Ne will get some decent sacks, but they do not need to lead the NFL. It isn't how they play the game.

    The sacks will come because someone younger and faster is playing instead of Vrabel. Maybe Jarvis Green ramps it up this season and actually gets after the passer again.

    Lets all hope these Db's can deliver. Because that is the path to winning some games.

    I think they can. Meriweather playing high fixes the lack of tackling and play-making deep. Chung playing low fixes the lack of pop inside, and presents a thicker match against TE's. Bodden/Springs add heavy physical corners like Law who can play with thick WR's. And Butler adds some finese coverage -- although I hope he can improve his tackling. Wheatley and Wilhite are just icing on the cake, IMO.

    Crable and Woods should be able to combine for eight or nine sacks from outside. I especially think  Crable will be very effective as a blitzer. AT picks up 8-9 himself. Mayo will be even better. Wilfork and Brace will help each other out. Having a fresh big man late in the game will be transformative. And Bruschi and McKenzie and Guyton will be much better.

    I am less worried about this "D" than I was the 2007 "D". That is a fact.

    The most pressing concern for me is if Galloway has the goods after an off year, because Brady needs a third option.
     
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    With our secondary improved our pass rush will improve, if you have guys that are open 5 yards down the field a QB can make a quick decision.  With the guys we have through FA and the ones we drafted will help jam guys at the line.  This will give our front 7 the extra second or two they need to get up field.

    I'm not saying this was the reason we sucked at both areas but one is directly connected to the other.  Lets face it, our DBs last year were just aweful.  I think Crable will be a monster this year, this is why, BB has had a few months to see how he's doing and how he progressed this offseason and through the injury.  If he had a shadow of a doubt I'm guessing he would have address with two guys in the draft.  We addressed what might not be a big need this year DT but come 2010 we might not have RS, VW in the team.  If we waited until next year to draft their replacements we would have taken a step back.

    Ron Brace is a monster, will be developed this year and it's possible even if VW stays Brace will be taking more and more of his snaps next year.  We are also not looking at how we also blitz with DBs, Chung will take some of those blitzes. 

    I'm more concerned over the OL this year than what our d will do.  Since the giants whooped our butts in the SB our O-Line has not looked as dominant as it once was.  I would have loved to have picked up Beaty or Kropoq who could have taken some playing time this year but as I said in another thread, In Bill we Trust so lets play the games first and then lets come say it was a mistake or not.

    I think a UDFA who's a 3rd down russ specialist is still available and could be brought in for a practice squad spot or special teams and if Crable or other starters have problems with the russ you put that guy on passing downs.  Who that guy is ? have to look at available UDFAs. 

    Give props to BB, we drafted quality players in a weak draft and added some high risk high reward guys specialy Vollmer, 6'7" 312 OT.  If in two years he's our starting LT and dominates we'll be saying what we already know.  BB the best draft person in the NFL.
     

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