Where is Welker?

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    So it has nothing to do with having to play 2 really good defenses?  We already know that you were so wrong with the Moss trade being bad....do you want to over react about this too?
     
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    I haven't seen the replay but Gresch and Zolak were just talking about Welker Drawing the double teams now that Moss is gone. It's up to Branch and Hernandez to pick up the slack. We haven't seen a great offensive game from this team in a while. I think the Vicodins, I mean Vikings should be a good game for us.
     
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    I think you're missing the real development from the Moss trade, every game is going to look different, and that is what the offense used to be during three Super Bowls.  There were no consistent stars on offense other than Brady, and he always had pedestrian numbers, because they would come out with a new approach every week.  Wes' will be affected too.  Just look at Deion's career numbers with the Pats, he would have games where he didn't catch many balls, but then the playoffs rolled around, and he would blow up, because they had been keeping him in reserve for the better of the offense and to be able to surprise teams. 

    I love it, and I know Wes, unlike Randy, is going to be able to adapt. 
     
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    I don't think Killa is off base on this.  It's a fair question to ask.  I think we need to see more games though.  We just played two very good defenses.  But yes, if Welker continues to be less effective, it is fair to say that Moss' departure did impact him.

    That said, if we indeed return to the offense of old, you could also argue that Welker will not receive as many passes because the ball is going to get spread around more now.  In that case, Welker will be impacted, but his reduction in production will be more than offset by an increase in production by others.  This is the scenario I'd rather see anyway.  I don't want one guy to be responsible for so much of our production.  
     
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    I don't think Killa is off base on this.  It's a fair question to ask.  I think we need to see more games though.  We just played two very good defenses.  But yes, if Welker continues to be less effective, it is fair to say that Moss' departure did impact him. That said, if we indeed return to the offense of old, you could also argue that Welker will not receive as many passes because the ball is going to get spread around more now.  In that case, Welker will be impacted, but his reduction in production will be more than offset by an increase in production by others.  This is the scenario I'd rather see anyway.  I don't want one guy to be responsible for so much of our production.  
    Posted by carawaydj


    And I say WHO CARES?  As as long as we are winning, Welker can get 0 catches for the rest of the season for all I care.....and Brady will take what the other team gives us....
     
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    In Response to Re: Where is Welker? : And I say WHO CARES?  As as long as we are winning, Welker can get 0 catches for the rest of the season for all I care.....and Brady will take what the other team gives us....
    Posted by m1024us


    Isn't that what I allude to in my last two sentences?
     
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    MVP is right on with his assesment. Here is another problem starting. Wes was not  dbl teamed all day. O Brien for whatever reason is not calling enough plays for Welker. Brady was looking elsewhere all game. He is not catching 10 balls a game because O Brien has his head up his as$, same as the Baltimore Game. I'ts not just the loss of Moss. Brady and Welker will get this figured out though.
     
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    In Response to Re: Where is Welker? : Isn't that what I allude to in my last two sentences?
    Posted by carawaydj


    I don't know....I stopped reading after teh first 3 sentences....LOL!
     
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    I have him on my fantasy team so I see his stats every week and they have gone down since the Moss trade . . .
    Posted by MVPkilla4life


    Aha!

    Now I see why you were so upset by the Moss trade.

    Any reasonable fan should have known that Welker would be the guy most impacted by the departure of Randy Moss. That's like predicting that it will probably get dark when the sun goes down. A happy Randy Moss makes Welker a world-beater, but the Pats did not have a happy Randy Moss. We all screamed bloody murder when the Pats stalled against Green New Jersey, primarily through repeatedly forcing the ball to Randy. So . . .   does it matter if Welker is open on every play if Brady has to force the ball to Moss in order to keep him happy and not disruptive (he's already pouting in Minnesota)? In a perfect world, you keep Randy and you pay him and he catches six or eight balls and a couple touchdowns every week and we all go have a beer. Sadly, this is not a perfect world, and -- as mentioned above -- guys like Branch and Hernandez and Tate are going to have to find  a way to pick up the slack.
     
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    I think it bears watching, MVP, but it's maybe a bit early to tell. Even with Moss, teams were starting to double the short routes since our long game wasn't working all that well before the trade.  Now that Moss is gone, the long game definitely is less intimidating and so the focus on the short routes is probably even stronger. But let's see how the team adjusts.  I think we need to get more from Tate, honestly.  That's the guy who needs to be stretching the field and opening up space for Welker.  But I don't think defenses worry all that much about him.  At some point I'd like to see Price or even Jenkins get on the field just to see what else we have for deep threats.

     
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    Stats are for losers?
    What does it matter, we got the win AMIRITE? exactly.
    We played two great Defenses two weeks in a row, afcourse his numbers were going to decline, look at brady's numbers, they look mediocre at best but here is the thing, we won. Everything else is moot.
     
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    `I think it is worth mentioning that other then a few scripted plays in games 1 and 2 (Double screen from Gronk and Hernandez out wide)Welker really has not been Welker all year. I would say this has more to do with a certain rehabilitated ligament then any teams coverage.

    The fact is that much like the Jets did in the 2nd half and the Ravens did most of the game teams are dropping 7-8 in coverage and rushing 3-4 guys daring us to audible to a run. Has anybody not noticed this?

    Teams are laughing at our run game. guys are covered everywhere and until we commit to a a healthy run offense we will have problems and Brady will keep getting creamed like he did yesterday.

    Run to set up the pass!!!
     
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    MV...   it has only been two games....  and as pointed out by some, games against some decent defenses.  Also, hasn't everyone here been asking for the Patriots' offense to get back to the SB winning days in which the ball was spread all over the place and opposing Ds could not key on anyone?  Now, it appears from your post, this is not something you want to happen and the Pats should keep targeting Welker as they have before?  With better TEs and not a single deep WR to focus upon, teams have to pick their poison. All it will take are a couple breakout performance for Tate, along with the continued play of Brown, to make D's think twice about doubling up Welker.
     
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    I thought he was dead until he made a catch in the third quarter yesterday. 

    And to those who keep saying we played a good defense that why we don't hear his name, HELLO!!! When we played the Jets last year with Welker he had 10 catches for over 150 yards (I don't remember the exact numbers). He's usually money against good defenses. We can either draft a big play WR next year or Welker goes back to being what he was in Miami and San Diego. A WR you pay no attention to. 
     
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