Which NFL teams have drafted best over the last 5 years?

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    Which NFL teams have drafted best over the last 5 years?

    http://q.usatoday.com/2014/05/07/nfl-draft-best-teams-seattle-seahawks-san-francisco-49ers-tennessee-titans-new-england-patriots/

     
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    Re: Which NFL teams have drafted best over the last 5 years?

     

    BB is the most overrated GM in history. Add Ruiz to the list of overraters.

     
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    Re: Which NFL teams have drafted best over the last 5 years?

    The criteria of this is not based on who drafted the best players, but the value of where they were picked, how much they played and how they performed. So in our case we have the best coach in the NFL who routinely puts players in the best position to win - this is not debatable - Belichick will have a guy like Fletcher (for instance) run to his left as soon as the ball is snapped to cover a running back in the flat (who is known for catching there). Then when the down is over he will have Fletcher come off the field for some other player to fill a roll that Fletcher couldn't do...and then that guy will be asked to cover ten feet of space because Fletcher can't do it.

    Articles like this don't take into account the coaching of Belichick or the play of Tom Brady...nor does it take into account the number of selections we have had over the last five years. The Patriots had more draft selections over the last five years than anyone (I believe) and if not they were close to the top.

    I don't think the Patriots are bad at drafting, but I don't think the cloud of superiority exists any longer either. So I do agree to an extent that they have done a good job where they are selecting, however there were years we walked into the draft with three second rounders and our first to play with and didn't come up with enough. It's a crap shoot.

     
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    In response to DougIrwin's comment:

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    BB is the most overrated GM in history. Add Ruiz to the list of overraters.



    Best GM who ever lived. Plain and simple. He has picked at the back end of the draft for over a decade straight.

    Very cleary, the last 5 years, arguably the best talent drafted in the AFC.

    Everyone waits on Brady in the title game.

     




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    Right Einstein, he's not only the best GM, but also the best HC in history, but he can't win a SB in nearly a decade.

    Makes perfect sense. IF YOU'RE A F'N IMBECILE! LMAO@U

     
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    Re: Which NFL teams have drafted best over the last 5 years?

    This article only measures how well each pick has done, given drafting position.  According to the article, New England is head and shoulders above #2 on the list.  What this article doesn't mention is Trader Bill in action, creating numbers of new picks out of nothing, getting extra picks by all sorts of devices and trading fourth rounders away for characters such as Randy Moss.  These factors would boost New England over the moon.


    If this gives critics an argument for calling BB a somewhat weak tactician on the field because he walks in with oodles of talent sitting on his bench, so be it.  It must be said that the Patriots scouting department is the most well funded in the NFL.

     
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    In response to mthurl's comment:

    The criteria of this is not based on who drafted the best players, but the value of where they were picked, how much they played and how they performed. So in our case we have the best coach in the NFL who routinely puts players in the best position to win - this is not debatable - Belichick will have a guy like Fletcher (for instance) run to his left as soon as the ball is snapped to cover a running back in the flat (who is known for catching there). Then when the down is over he will have Fletcher come off the field for some other player to fill a roll that Fletcher couldn't do...and then that guy will be asked to cover ten feet of space because Fletcher can't do it.

    Articles like this don't take into account the coaching of Belichick or the play of Tom Brady...nor does it take into account the number of selections we have had over the last five years. The Patriots had more draft selections over the last five years than anyone (I believe) and if not they were close to the top.

    I don't think the Patriots are bad at drafting, but I don't think the cloud of superiority exists any longer either. So I do agree to an extent that they have done a good job where they are selecting, however there were years we walked into the draft with three second rounders and our first to play with and didn't come up with enough. It's a crap shoot.


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    If this gives critics an argument for calling BB a somewhat weak tactician on the field because he walks in with oodles of talent sitting on his bench, so be it. 




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    Well Rusty says, and I quote. "BB has done more with less". (link provided upon request)

     

    So how can BB be the greatest GM of all-time if he is providing BB the coach with "less"?

     
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    Re: Which NFL teams have drafted best over the last 5 years?

    Beautiful!


    We are #1


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    I love those 5 rings Billy won the past 5 years.


     


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    Re: Which NFL teams have drafted best over the last 5 years?

    So far we have seen a couple of different QUANTITATIVE assessments of team draft performance over a prolonged period. On each case the Patriots are in the top 5 or 6 in the league. Even though these have been calculated using different methodologies it is interesting that the Pats end up grading very well. It is also interesting that in spite of attempts at objective quantitative analysis there are many here who not only think the BB is not good at it but they claim he is downright bad. Such assessments are NECESSARILY relative because it is a comparison against all other teams. But never mind that the performance of all other teams. To these folks it doesn't matter how "bad" everyone else is. All that matters is BB is "bad". Even if he is better than 26-31 other teams he is still "bad".

    Funny how that works out.

     

     
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    BB is a bad GM = BB didn't pick who I wanted or picked him in a different round from where I wanted him picked.

     
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    Re: Which NFL teams have drafted best over the last 5 years?

    In response to portfolio1's comment:

    So far we have seen a couple of different QUANTITATIVE assessments of team draft performance over a prolonged period. On each case the Patriots are in the top 5 or 6 in the league. Even though these have been calculated using different methodologies it is interesting that the Pats end up grading very well. It is also interesting that in spite of attempts at objective quantitative analysis there are many here who not only think the BB is not good at it but they claim he is downright bad. Such assessments are NECESSARILY relative because it is a comparison against all other teams. But never mind that the performance of all other teams. To these folks it doesn't matter how "bad" everyone else is. All that matters is BB is "bad". Even if he is better than 26-31 other teams he is still "bad".

    Funny how that works out.

    +1

    I posted the following a few days ago:

    Saw an interesting stat. From 1961 to 2000 - over 39 years - with all their high draft picks over those years, given the team's mostly abysmal record, the Patriots drafted only 16 All-Pros. From 2000 to 2013 - a 13 year stretch - the Patriots drafted 9 All-Pros (Brady, Seymour, Light, Samuel, Wilfork, Mankins, Gostkowski, Mayo, and Gronkowski). This list may even grow over the next couple of years as some of the newer draftees mature. I find this quite surprising, especially given the Patriots' generally poor draft position in the first round over this period.

    Someone corrected me and added McCourty to that list as well, making it 10 All-Pros during BB's tenure. So far! BUT, if your criteria is a Super Bowl victory every year, then nothing BB does will ever satisfy you. Never mind that Brady and BB's team selection and coaching have led them to a winning season and playoffs just about every year or that Brady has been to more Super Bowls than any QB in the history of the game. All irrelevant facts if you actually believe that had BB-the-GM only drafted better, they could have won more Super Bowls. What can you say to this? Of course we all want more rings for Brady and the team. But most of us are overjoyed that this GM and coach gives us an opportunity to compete at the highest level every single year, rain or shine, and never uses injuries as an excuse. There is no other team that even comes close in the league. Proud to be a fan!

     
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    Re: Which NFL teams have drafted best over the last 5 years?

    In response to Paul_K's comment:

    This article only measures how well each pick has done, given drafting position.  According to the article, New England is head and shoulders above #2 on the list.  What this article doesn't mention is Trader Bill in action, creating numbers of new picks out of nothing, getting extra picks by all sorts of devices and trading fourth rounders away for characters such as Randy Moss.  These factors would boost New England over the moon.

     

    If this gives critics an argument for calling BB a somewhat weak tactician on the field because he walks in with oodles of talent sitting on his bench, so be it.  It must be said that the Patriots scouting department is the most well funded in the NFL.




    are you SURE you're not Rusty?

     
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    In response to DougIrwin's comment:

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

     

    BB is the most overrated GM in history. Add Ruiz to the list of overraters.



    Best GM who ever lived. Plain and simple. He has picked at the back end of the draft for over a decade straight.

    Very cleary, the last 5 years, arguably the best talent drafted in the AFC.

    Everyone waits on Brady in the title game.

     




    amazing how stumbling on a HOF QB ur scout insisted u sign and playing for a decade in a division with three perennially inept franchises can make one a "genius"

     
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    Re: Which NFL teams have drafted best over the last 5 years?

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    amazing how stumbling on a HOF QB ur scout insisted u sign and playing for a decade in a division with three perennially inept franchises can make one a "genius"

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    It does sort of remind you of how lucking into a GOAT linebacker named Lawrence Taylor turned a perennial losing organization into a well-oiled machine with a God-like owner and coach. ;)

     

     
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    Re: Which NFL teams have drafted best over the last 5 years?

    Rkarp,

    I'd move Hernandez down the list to neutral. Say what you will but the reason no other team touched him was because of the off field stuff and it turns out the other teams were right in the end. So, for the talent on the field ignoring the off field stuff neutralizes that pick.

    You also forgot T. Wilson who I'd give a -2 for. I mean talk about a massive reach that was destined to bust. Taking a projecting mid-late day 3 in the middle of the 2nd and having to draft his replacement the year after in the 3rd? Yeah that's a -2


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    Nothing like an original post and discussion...I LOVE THE SMELL OF A BEATEN DEAD HORSE..smells a bit like Babe.

     
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    Re: Which NFL teams have drafted best over the last 5 years?

    The Patriots are the worst at drafting every year.  The other 31 NFL teams should be on this list.  Never the Patriots.  Just ask a few of the know it alls here.

     
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    Re: Which NFL teams have drafted best over the last 5 years?

    In response to rkarp's comment:

    In response to PatsEng's comment:

    Rkarp,

    I'd move Hernandez down the list to neutral. Say what you will but the reason no other team touched him was because of the off field stuff and it turns out the other teams were right in the end. So, for the talent on the field ignoring the off field stuff neutralizes that pick.

    You also forgot T. Wilson who I'd give a -2 for. I mean talk about a massive reach that was destined to bust. Taking a projecting mid-late day 3 in the middle of the 2nd and having to draft his replacement the year after in the 3rd? Yeah that's a -2


    I swear by lil 10 pound bearded baby Jesus



    my apologies, but this was a problem to post the link and source. this is not my analysis, this is PFF ratings on the Pats draft record




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    Yeah these new forums don't make it easy. I think they were pretty close with the exception of forgetting one massive mistake and rating one a bit higher than maybe they should have but overall I agree with them. When you add it all up that it shows BB to be just kind of neutral. Not nearly as good as some believe but not nearly as bad either. Those 2nd and 3rd rounds kill him though. Really since 05' he's been a below league average picker in the 2nd and 3rd round but he's been above average in the 1st, 4th, and 7th range. So..... what it basically comes down to is BB the coach makes BB the GM look so much better but when you take into account the bad FA choices over the years BB hasn't helped himself by picking the groceries.

     
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    Re: Which NFL teams have drafted best over the last 5 years?

    Everyone but Brady was a bust, and Brady was pure luck.  Learn the game homers. 

     
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