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    In Response to Re: who is racist here? : Oh my god, shutup
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    Problem?
     
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    In Response to Re: who is racist here?: Considering the decades, no centuries of ugly racial history the US has had toward people of color, ie: Blacks, Native Americans and Asians, etc., it comes as no surprise when some one like Henry Gates who is of an age to have witnessed first hand the effects of racist behavior by whites, acted out on the doorsteps of his home. You and your ilk have NO idea what people of color deal with on a daily basis. Try walking a day in our shoes, come back here and tell me what you experienced. I'd be willing to listen. 
    Interestingly enough, the woman who called in the report to the police (I won't list her name) also a Harvard employee, has gone silent and refuses to comment.

    As for Barack Obama, last time I checked he's a citizen of the US. He's made available to anyone interested a copy of his birth certificate. Yet certain elements of the right deem this as being insufficient and are pressing for more. The only Black president in the history of this country and he's still seen as illigetimate six months into his term by certain members of the white population and media in this country. Call it what it is, racist!

    Don't you see anything wrong with this picture?! 
    On second thought you probably won't...

    In Response to Re: who is racist here? : FYI, You do realize that these forums are monitored, right.  You do know that you can't hide from those who need to find you, right.  You've just been turned in for your remarks regarding your Commander in Chief.  If you're military, I believe you may want to ask someone regarding those ramifications.  If you're not, I'll thank GOD before a lay down to rest this evening.  Good Luck to you explaining yourself to those who may question your words....
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    Look, I'm a Dem and proud of it, but Obama should never have opened his mouth before, that's one issue...The main issue is, Crowley & Gates both overreacted in this situation...Someone called in a report of a break-in and Crowley was just responding...He also wanted to make sure there wasn't anyone in Gates' home, so he asked Gates to step outside.  Crolwey asked for Gates' ID 2x & Gates put up a huge stink.  Gates has had a couple of these incidences with municipalities whereby he's stirred things up by calling them "Racists"...Both overreacted in this instance.  Was this a case of racial profiling??  I don't believe so, there was no intention to reach a quota or prejudge based on race.  Gates seems like he's a little more entitled and snobby than most because of where he lives & that he's a professor at Harvard.  Both were wrong as individual people, no one's a racist, this isn't about Dems vs. Rep, this maybe about Class more than anything.
     
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    In Response to Re: who is racist here? : Considering the decades, no centuries of ugly racial history the US has had toward people of color, ie: Blacks, Native Americans and Asians, etc., it comes as no surprise when some one like Henry Gates who is of an age to have witnessed first hand the effects of racist behavior by whites, acted out on the doorsteps of his home. You and your ilk have NO idea what people of color deal with on a daily basis. Try walking a day in our shoes, come back here and tell me what you experienced. I'd be willing to listen...The only Black president in the history of this country and he's still seen as illigetimate six months into his term by certain members of the white population and media in this country. Call it what it is, racist! Don't you see anything wrong with this picture?!  On second thought you probably won't...
    Posted by paob

    No doubt there were centuries of racism in America against blacks.  But IT'S OVER!  The vast majority of whites in America do not discriminate against blacks or other races in any way.  People of color deal with no real racism every day - it's not an accepted view in our nation any more.  But what seems to be accepted is Gates' form of racism.  That is, he racially profiled a good officer by alleging a racially motivated incident simply because the officer was white.  Gates and his ilk are just dying to have an incident like this so he can "prove" that "racism" is alive and well.  As long as Gates can hurl such allegations, Jesse Jackson can falsely allege the "disenfranchisement of black voters", and similar frauds can craft such ridiculous accusations we're not really going to solve our racial relations problems.  As for the last part of paob's post: eight years into GWB's presidency many members of the black population saw him as illigitimate.  Do you see anything wrong with that picture? 

     
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    If some a**hole cop gives me sh*t in my own house then he's gonna get a mouthful.   If you can't be left alone in your own home then what?  I don't care about what color you are, if you get harassed in your own home by the Gestapo then kiss all the rest of rights goodbye too. 
    By the way,  I guess this guy's neighbor had no idea he had a black professor living next door to him? 
     
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    If some a**hole cop gives me sh*t in my own house then he's gonna get a mouthful.   If you can't be left alone in your own home then what?  I don't care about what color you are, if you get harassed in your own home by the Gestapo then kiss all the rest of rights goodbye too.  By the way,  I guess this guy's neighbor had no idea he had a black professor living next door to him? 
    Posted by Salcon


    From what I've read the cop was merely trying to establish that the guy did indeed live there. He asked the man to produce ID, which is a common request by police all over the country. Gates then started mouthing off and calling the officer a racist. I saw nothing in the few articles I've read about the incident to suggest they were using "Gestapo" tactics! This is another example of why such things get exagerrated. If the cops kicked the door in, threw Gates to the floor, and put a gun to his head I'd say that would be "Gestapo-like". The guy was simply trying to do his job. At that point it was to identify who in fact Gates was, and if there was indeed a break in going on. Gates jumped to conclusions, and started aggravating the situation. And why? Because back in the 60s the people in Alabama would not let black kids go to public school? So, of course, any cop daring to ask a black man to identify himself (something that I, a white man, has had to do dozens of times merely for being in a place where they were investigating something or other) is being a racist? I'm sorry, but this is exactly the type of thing that people like Jesse Jackson are propogating. Nobody is denying that people of color have been discriminated against in the past. But you cannot continue to live in the past. It seems that far too much hatred is being carried over from such things, and that in itself will prevent this issue from being solved. Some of these rabble rousers seem to think it's a huge conspiracy amongst all white people to "keep a brother down" (or whatever the cliche is). But it's that type of thinking which keeps what's left of racism alive. To me, Gates becoming abusive and accusing the officer of being racist is just as bad as the cop who pulls over a vehicle simply because the driver is black. It works both ways! The bigots will continue to consider black people as substandard as long as they continue to consider all white people racist! When does all this BS stop? Most people have come a long way from the thinking of the 50s and 60s. But there are still a lot of idiots out there, both black and white, who haven't, and are still full of the same hatred for each other. It's a sad situation, as there are a lot of other atrocities we should be fighting together to overcome. But I suppose the times change, but things still continue to be the same.
     
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    Re: who is racist here? Jules, I apperciate the rebuttal. I will respond in full shortly..

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    In Response to Re: who is racist here? : No doubt there were centuries of racism in America against blacks.  But IT'S OVER!  The vast majority of whites in America do not discriminate against blacks or other races in any way.  People of color deal with no real racism every day - it's not an accepted view in our nation any more.  But what seems to be accepted is Gates' form of racism.  That is, he racially profiled a good officer by alleging a racially motivated incident simply because the officer was white.  Gates and his ilk are just dying to have an incident like this so he can "prove" that "racism" is alive and well.  As long as Gates can hurl such allegations, Jesse Jackson can falsely allege the "disenfranchisement of black voters", and similar frauds can craft such ridiculous accusations we're not really going to solve our racial relations problems.  As for the last part of paob's post: eight years into GWB's presidency many members of the black population saw him as illigitimate.  Do you see anything wrong with that picture? 
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    well i agree the cop was doing his job. For one Gates house was broken into before so the possible threat of break-in was legit. Also if anyone here thinks burglary doesn't happan in the daytime then your just plain wrong. If you give the cop lip you are subject to arrest. Then goes for anyone. More cops die from a routine stop because they let their guard down then they do from anything else. So a cop has every reason to arrest anyone who is giving them a problem. If Gates would of just shut up and showed his ID from the beginning everything would of been fine.
     
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    Re: who is racist here? Jules, I apperciate the rebuttal. I will respond in full shortly..

    In Response to Re: who is racist here? Jules, I apperciate the rebuttal. I will respond in full shortly..: Jules, you seem to know an awful lot about Black people and what we're thinking. Are you Black? Do you have in-laws that are Black? By chance, is your wife Black? I have relatives that are white. I don't profess to know what white people are thinking, but let me tell you what I do know. 
    Racism is not dead in America. It's alive and kicking. I attended college in Boston and made the rounds to various cities. On a visit to one of the tonier suburbs (Lexington) to see a girlfriend, a bunch of whites who apparently didn't believe racism was dead saw fit to call me a n****r while riding by in a car.
    Maybe you think that's an isolated incident, so, let's switch cities - A few of my friends were playing basketball in West Roxbury, MA - We weren't thughs and certainly weren't bothering anyone. The police showed up and asked us to leave immediately. The kids we were playing against (all white) were'nt asked to leave. Apparently a few of the locals didn't care for us being there. 
    Do you think Joseph Rakes saw a color blind society when he attacked Ted Landsmark on the steps of Boston City Hall with a flag pole - fracturing his face? 
    Do you think Michael Griffith - who was unfortunate enough to have taken a wrong turn in Howard Beach, Queens and lost his life frantically trying to escape some frothing at the mouth Italian Americans didn't encounter racism?
    How about the undercover agent in Tulia, Tx (Tom Coleman) who incarcerated dozens of Blacks on trumped up drug charges. Did he see a color blind society?! What about Charles Stuart, Susan Smith?! I can go on and on...

    Do you know that there are certain parts of Forsyth County in Georgia that I don't feel safe setting foot in after dark for obvious reasons: KKK.

    News Flash - Black people weren't the only ones who saw George Bush as illegitimate. Many Whites, Asians, Latinos, Indians, etc etc, etc did also.
    In closing, your statement that "racism is not an accepted view in our country anymore" is bs. I've seen documentaries during the 2008 election that bordered on outright hostility. Now we have the 'Birthers' who are questioning Barack Obama's citizenship. He's six months into his first term and trying really hard to clean up the colossal mess George Bush left this country in. The only Black president and the only commander in chief I know of that was ever asked to provide documentation along the lines of what these fringe dwellers are asking.

    Electing Barack was a step in the right direction. But we as a whole haven't become a color blind society yet. And anyone who attempts to say otherwise has an agenda and wants to maintain the status quo or really needs to do some serious soul searching. The incident with Gates and Crowley has us talking about racism and that's a good sign.

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    paob i find it weird you were kicked out of roxbury. I have lived in boston suburbs my whole life. Roxbury is not exactly known for a good city to hang out in. Most people avoid that city and for good reason. Now I am not saying racism is over in America bc sadly it is not. However it is incidents like this that keep it alive. THe simple fact is if Mr. Gates would of just shown his id from the beginning this would of been over and never happaned. I have plenty of white friends that were asked to show id in similar situations by a black cop. Does that mean that black cop was racist? Should we of called CNN and said we were being targeted against by this cop? IF Mr. Gates would of simply complied with the cops questions and showed his ID to prove he lived there instead of argueing nothing would have happaned. It is as simple as that. If this was a black cop and white professor we would never be having this conversation.
     
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    If some a**hole cop gives me sh*t in my own house then he's gonna get a mouthful.   If you can't be left alone in your own home then what?  I don't care about what color you are, if you get harassed in your own home by the Gestapo then kiss all the rest of rights goodbye too.  By the way,  I guess this guy's neighbor had no idea he had a black professor living next door to him? 
    Posted by Salcon


    I wonder if John Wayne Gacy gave the Cops a mouthful when they went to his house?

    John Wayne Gacy, Jr. (March 17, 1942 – May 10, 1994) was an American serial killer.

    He was convicted and later executed for the rape and murder of 33 boys and young men between 1972 and his arrest in 1978, 27 of whom he buried in a crawl space under the floor of his house, while others were found in nearby rivers. He became notorious as the "Killer Clown" because of the many block parties he threw for his friends and neighbors, entertaining children in a clown suit and makeup, under the name of "Pogo the Clown".


     
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    Re: who is racist here? Jules, I apperciate the rebuttal. I will respond in full shortly..

    zbellino,

    I agree maybe the cop overreacted but so did Gates. Yes you are correct in the fact that Gates did show him the ID. But he did not do it when the cop first asked for it. Even Gates has said this. So it is not like I am making that fact up. Gates argued with the cop first then showed him the ID. At that point heads were already heated. IF he simply showed him the ID at the beginning of the altercation I believe it simply would not have escalated as far.
     
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    Re: who is racist here? Jules, I apperciate the rebuttal. I will respond in full shortly..

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    In Response to Re: who is racist here? Jules, I apperciate the rebuttal. I will respond in full shortly.. : You are wasting your time paob. Some people simply don't want to even think what you are talking about. The mere existance of the Southern Strategy, and its unsuccessful continuation in the last election, proves that racism still is a MAJOR factor, to the point where Republican electoral advertisement strategy incorporates encouraging it in order to stoke their "base." The fact remains, that the standard of personal proof has historically been higher for black people. Since the Fugitive Slave Act in 1793 they have had to doubly identify themselves. The fringe wacko obsession with our President's birth cert, even though he has provided it, insisting that it is a forgery is part and parcel of Gate's showing his ID, proving he lived there, and THEN still having more cops called in to ID him. That latter incident might just be an A-Hole cop, or maybe it was subconscious racism, but the paralell is there for all to see. If you are black, bring two IDs, and a white friend to vouch for you . .. or be friends with the President of the most powerful nation on earth. Either or.
    Posted by zbellino


    Huh?
    Like David Pratt? Or Rodney Braxton? Or Markey Pierre? Or Bruce Kim?
    http://www.sostrategy.com/lobbyists.php#15 
    http://www.sostrategy.com/lobbyists.php#9
    http://www.sostrategy.com/lobbyists.php#10
    http://www.sostrategy.com/lobbyists.php#14

    I'm failing to see you your logic
     
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    Re: who is racist here? Jules, I apperciate the rebuttal. I will respond in full shortly..

    This whole topic blows my mind becuase most of the people want the cop to be wrong before most of the facts even came out.  I read almost every post on this forum everyday because there is nothing to do here in Iraq.  Its funny to read about people views on religion and such in a sports board.

    I guess the only reason I'm posting is most of you have never had a job that you had to be correct 100% of the time or you could die.  Many in my family are cops and I hope to be one when my time in the military is done. All I ask is look at the fact before you start spurting all these thing like, "I would cuss a cop out in my home."

    1. There was a 911 call about 2 men breaking in a home that had been prevously broken into.

    2. When on the call, backup was already on the way in any situation where there is only one black and white on site.  Even for routine traffic stops often other squad cars will come to provide over watch.

    3. Mr Gates did break into the house he was residing, because the key wasn't working or was lost or the door was jammed depending what article you read.... also harvard provided the house he does not own it.  He even admitted that he had trouble with the door that his driver and himself had to force it open, which could easily look like two people breaking into the house by any neighbor or passer by.  They must have been somewhat convinced at what they saw to dial 911.

    4. Upon arrival and investigation of the 911 the cop asks to see Mr. Gates ID in which he refuses and starts to verbally attack the officer and call it racial profiling.  Now i'm not going to try to state what was said you can look up the police report but at this time gates was not under arrest. Final he did give his school ID.

    5. The final piece that people are over looking is even with other cops as witnesses, Gate proceeded to follow the cop outside of his house and continue to verbally attack the cop and cause a commotion.  He was warned three times on record to go back inside in which he did not, only then was he arrested.

    The police procedure was followed and would have played out most likely the same if he was white, asian or black.  The only person that made it racial was Gates.  police are required to verify who is inside the house and to look around the site to make sure everything is ok,  What if Gates' house had been broken into right before he got home and the perps were still there and the police officer did not check then it would have been his failure. 

    you may think gates only yelled at the officer but that in its self is an offense when asked to offer identification.  This whole thing is blown way out of proportion, and most of the fault is on Gates.

    There are so many other points to add I'm just sick of typing already but too often people want to blaime the police for doing thier job.  Are there bad police officers out there? Sure, but the same goes for every walk of life. If you look for racism often you will see it when its not there. 


     
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    In Response to Re: who is racist here? : FYI, You do realize that these forums are monitored, right.  You do know that you can't hide from those who need to find you, right.  You've just been turned in for your remarks regarding your Commander in Chief.  If you're military, I believe you may want to ask someone regarding those ramifications.  If you're not, I'll thank GOD before a lay down to rest this evening.  Good Luck to you explaining yourself to those who may question your words....
    Posted by theplaintruth

    wow your being reported to the globe. The reporter was givin that question to ask and he knew she had it. stop drinking the coolaid. bait and switch by the master deciever. Obummer was the one acting stupidly. But you morons eat it up.
    maybe we can have a beer and talk about it. but that would probably cost $50,000 in tax money. Thats ok we'll just tax some more to pay for it.... I hope its a Sam Adams
     
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    There are so many other points to add I'm just sick of typing already but too often people want to blaime the police for doing thier job.  Are there bad police officers out there? Sure, but the same goes for every walk of life. If you look for racism often you will see it when its not there. 

    You made some excellent points. Being "exhausted from a long flight" is no excuse to verbally abuse someone who is merely doing his job. In any case, it is always wiser to cooperate with the police, if you do have a legitimate gripe, you can always file it later. As you state, there are some cops out there who are looking for trouble, and who have a "bully" mentality. I lived for 13 years in L.A., and I can certainly attest to that. Much smarter to say "yes, sir" or "no, sir", and avoid a bad situation. and your last statement is right on. A lot of people here are pushing the argument that racism does exist. And we are not denying that. But by pushing their point by trying to claim any altercation between white and black is a case point is in itself racist, IMO. Much the same as when a woman cries abuse out of anger (when none has actually occurred), it makes it worse for when it is really an issue. Sometimes these people seem like they are insinuating that race is the only factor in any altercation. And that's simply not the case. Hatred begets hatred. If one side wants it to stop they must also stop it themselves. If Dr. King were still alive today I'm sure he would be discouraged by a lot of these allegations and the negative propoganda. And in any case, the president should have chosen his words a bit more carefully. I'm glad it's only a couple weeks before we have football again! These political discussions are getting old, and I like it better when most of us agree on things (for the most part)!
     
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    Well, it's often difficult to engage in polite discourse about certain topics, but it's good to see a level of decorum being observed here.

    I entered a discussion about this topic on another board -- presumably dominated by steadfast midwesterners -- and some crackpot came up with the theory that Obama and Gates had orchestrated this entire episode to draw public attention away from Obama's laughable climate-control legislation.

    Have a nice day.
     
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    zbellino where did you hear crowley was in plain clothes?
     
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    Re: who is racist here? Jules, I apperciate the rebuttal. I will respond in full shortly..

    In Response to Re: who is racist here? Jules, I apperciate the rebuttal. I will respond in full shortly..: Bradyrulez, I wasn't kicked out of Roxbury. I was asked to leave a basketball court in West Roxbury. As for Sgt. Crowley and Prof. Gates. Crowley took a test to become a Sgt. Which means he has some modicum of intelligence to be wearing those three stripes on his uniform.

    Do you mean to tell me he couldn't have utilized this experience and training and diffused the situation? He didn't even have to apoligize. Phrase your responses to Gates in a way so he knows there was an error, which you (Crowley) have now realized and there is no reason for the police to stay any longer at your home. 

    The bigger issue to me here is a cop feeling as if he has to reinforce his authority over a black man, who has the audacity to question his continued presence on the doorstep of his own home. If the roles were reversed, I have no doubt a Black police officer would have left the scene and we wouldn't have the mess we have now, if for instance a Lawrence Summers was involved.

    Thank you for the response.
    paob

    paob i find it weird you were kicked out of roxbury. I have lived in boston suburbs my whole life. Roxbury is not exactly known for a good city to hang out in. Most people avoid that city and for good reason. Now I am not saying racism is over in America bc sadly it is not. However it is incidents like this that keep it alive. THe simple fact is if Mr. Gates would of just shown his id from the beginning this would of been over and never happaned. I have plenty of white friends that were asked to show id in similar situations by a black cop. Does that mean that black cop was racist? Should we of called CNN and said we were being targeted against by this cop? IF Mr. Gates would of simply complied with the cops questions and showed his ID to prove he lived there instead of argueing nothing would have happaned. It is as simple as that. If this was a black cop and white professor we would never be having this conversation.
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    I am sure this guy is scared by your post, What are we in Russia, all things are monitored? What is so unbelievable is morons like you, justifying this "professor" actions, he was wrong, he should have shown his ID, they would have left. He was being an arrogant person, throwing the because I am black in the Officer's face, not doing what he was told to do, which was show his ID. The President should have not commented until he knew all of the facts, If this incident was with a white professor, it would have been no news at all. This is the biggest problem of all.
     
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    The real point in this discussion is that people (representing every conceivable race/ethnic/religious/cultural group) are being asked to go against their very human trait of associating with, and siding with those who share the same combination of race, ethnic etc. characteristics - and look askance at those who do not look like them and/or share those same feelings.

    The struggle of teaching mankind to see others who are different from themselves as perfect equals is an eternally losing battle. We would do better to accept the fact that we are living in a multi-racial and multi-cultural nation - thus, teaching its citizens to both share in what we have in common as well as respect our differences.

    As long as we see ourselves as a collection of warring groups out to get what we can at the expense of everyone else: we shall continue to have these "tit-for- that" exchanges (i.e. some one from Group A did this to a person from Group B, they must be racist/homophobe/religiously intolerant/whatever).
     
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    "This whole topic blows my mind becuase most of the people want the cop to be wrong before most of the facts even came out.  I read almost every post on this forum everyday because there is nothing to do here in Iraq.  Its funny to read about people views on religion and such in a sports board.
    I guess the only reason I'm posting is most of you have never had a job that you had to be correct 100% of the time or you could die.  Many in my family are cops and I hope to be one when my time in the military is done. All I ask is look at the fact before you start spurting all these thing like, "I would cuss a cop out in my home."

    This borders on one of those condescending lectures about the secret inner workings.
    Naturally, people on a sports board aren't qualified or authorized to debate the really "important" issues of our times. We should leave that to the elected and hired brains and experts who have screwed up the planet. 
    However, the rest of that post seemed to make sense...until I read something else that will change my mind.
     
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    Re: who is racist here? Jules, I apperciate the rebuttal. I will respond in full shortly..

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    In Response to Re: who is racist here? Jules, I apperciate the rebuttal. I will respond in full shortly.. : Jules, you seem to know an awful lot about Black people and what we're thinking. Are you Black? Do you have in-laws that are Black? By chance, is your wife Black? I have relatives that are white. I don't profess to know what white people are thinking, but let me tell you what I do know.  Racism is not dead in America. It's alive and kicking. I attended college in Boston and made the rounds to various cities. On a visit to one of the tonier suburbs (Lexington) to see a girlfriend, a bunch of whites who apparently didn't believe racism was dead saw fit to call me a n****r while riding by in a car. Maybe you think that's an isolated incident, so, let's switch cities - A few of my friends were playing basketball in West Roxbury, MA - We weren't thughs and certainly weren't bothering anyone. The police showed up and asked us to leave immediately. The kids we were playing against (all white) were'nt asked to leave. Apparently a few of the locals didn't care for us being there.  Do you think Joseph Rakes saw a color blind society when he attacked Ted Landsmark on the steps of Boston City Hall with a flag pole - fracturing his face?  Do you think Michael Griffith - who was unfortunate enough to have taken a wrong turn in Howard Beach, Queens and lost his life frantically trying to escape some frothing at the mouth Italian Americans didn't encounter racism? How about the undercover agent in Tulia, Tx (Tom Coleman) who incarcerated dozens of Blacks on trumped up drug charges. Did he see a color blind society?! What about Charles Stuart, Susan Smith?! I can go on and on... Do you know that there are certain parts of Forsyth County in Georgia that I don't feel safe setting foot in after dark for obvious reasons: KKK. News Flash - Black people weren't the only ones who saw George Bush as illegitimate. Many Whites, Asians, Latinos, Indians, etc etc, etc did also. In closing, your statement that "racism is not an accepted view in our country anymore" is bs. I've seen documentaries during the 2008 election that bordered on outright hostility. Now we have the 'Birthers' who are questioning Barack Obama's citizenship. He's six months into his first term and trying really hard to clean up the colossal mess George Bush left this country in. The only Black president and the only commander in chief I know of that was ever asked to provide documentation along the lines of what these fringe dwellers are asking. Electing Barack was a step in the right direction. But we as a whole haven't become a color blind society yet. And anyone who attempts to say otherwise has an agenda and wants to maintain the status quo or really needs to do some serious soul searching. The incident with Gates and Crowley has us talking about racism and that's a good sign. paob
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    Couldn't disagree with you more, paob.  Every racism "believer" has personal stories (usually exaggerated and twisted to be so).  I have stories I could twist into being proof positive of racism if I wasn't white as a sheet.  About a year ago I had a police officer question me in the foyer of my own home, and it would have fit very well on CNN's Black in America series (as long as I didn't admit that I didn't have the foresight to be born African American).  BTW, I don't really believe your stories, but they certainly serve your argument well.
     
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    Re: who is racist here? Jules, I apperciate the rebuttal. I will respond in full shortly..

    In Response to Re: who is racist here? Jules, I apperciate the rebuttal. I will respond in full shortly..: I made a number of points which I thought were interesting. I also highlighted some things that happened to me while in Boston and you respond calling me a liar. 
    You don't know me from Adam, but feel comfortable in the privacy of your own home to say that cr*p. I don't give a d**n whether you believe me Jules! I don't need your affirmation or approval.

    I'll repeat this for anyone interested in listening. Walk a day in our shoes and come back here and tell me what you experienced. I'd be willng to listen. As for those of you who want to subconsciously or not maintain the stauts quo, well, give us time. 
    You won't be able to enjoy those trappings for long...

    In Response to Re: who is racist here? Jules, I apperciate the rebuttal. I will respond in full shortly.. : Couldn't disagree with you more, paob.  Every racism "believer" has personal stories (usually exaggerated and twisted to be so).  I have stories I could twist into being proof positive of racism if I wasn't white as a sheet.  About a year ago I had a police officer question me in the foyer of my own home, and it would have fit very well on CNN's Black in America series (as long as I didn't admit that I didn't have the foresight to be born African American).  BTW, I don't really believe your stories, but they certainly serve your argument well.
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    Re: who is racist here? Jules, I apperciate the rebuttal. I will respond in full shortly..

    In Response to Re: who is racist here? Jules, I apperciate the rebuttal. I will respond in full shortly..:
    The bigger issue to me here is a cop feeling as if he has to reinforce his authority over a black man, who has the audacity to question his continued presence on the doorstep of his own home. If the roles were reversed, I have no doubt a Black police officer would have left the scene and we wouldn't have the mess we have now, if for instance a Lawrence Summers was involved. Thank you for the response. paob
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    Thanks for illustrating the paranoia issue I mentioned a while back.  There's no doubt in your mind that if the roles were reversed the black police officer would have left the scene.  It's my belief that if the roles were reversed the police officer would have taken much LESS abuse from the homeowner because officers are much more careful when the race card can be played.  But in general, if you are abusive to police officers you can be assured of a similar response no matter what your race.  Something tells me that similar incidents with white homeowners (and there are probably plenty) wouldn't be as widely reported (if at all).
     
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