Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
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Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 7:34 AM EDT
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Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 7:57 AM EDT
Patrick Willis
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Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 9:11 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?:Patrick Willis
Posted by tagandtrade
Please explain your choice -
Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 9:19 AM EDT
Demarcus Ware/James Harrison -
Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 9:55 AM EDT
Explaination,
Based on his speed size and total impact on the teams defensive scheme I pick Willis.
True he is not a sack artest but he piles up other stats;Team GP Pct Sck FF Int 2008-09 SF 16 109 1 1 1.0 2009-10 SF 16 114 4 3 3.0 Career 48 359 9 6 4.0
He is the most complete LB on any field in this country
Ware, and Harrison, Harrison had a pour 2009 by the way are SACK specialist... Harrison does present more pressure against the run and can go for the INT as we saew in the super bowl but for the most part these guys are hunting down QB's all day.
Willis can sack when asked, cover TE/RB when asked, I have seen him cover slot receivers as if he was a nickel back @ times as well.
All while providing HUGE tackle totals
He is the best hands down all-around LB in the NFL
All these other cats are specialist -
Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 11:10 AM EDT
Willis is a monster -
Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 11:31 AM EDT
Agreed. Willis is by far the best linebacker in the game. No explaination needed. maybe just youtube patrick willis. and that is all you need.
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Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 11:33 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?:Agreed. Willis is by far the best linebacker in the game. No explaination needed. maybe just youtube patrick willis. and that is all you need.
Posted by jeffg316
I didn't say he wasn't, I just wanted an explanation. And I didn't ask you for an explanation, fool. -
Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 1:20 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?:Patrick Willis
Posted by tagandtrade
Agreed. -
Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 1:26 PM EDT
Celtics 12345 =
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Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 1:27 PM EDT
You have to WATCH Patrick Willis to fully comprehend his freakish talent. I've never seen someone that big move that fast to hit someone that hard. It's like watching Ray Lewis all over again, only more athletic.For outside linebacker, DeMarcus Ware takes the cake. Outside linebackers make their money on passing downs, but they make their reputation on running downs by owning their man/men on the edge and forcing the runner back towards the pursuit. Ware can rush the pass and set the edge at an elite level. -
Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 1:46 PM EDT
In Response to Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?:?!?!?!
Posted by Celtics12345
Your Old Lady is!?!?! -
Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 1:46 PM EDT
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Posted by themightypatriotz
Of course I am, whatever you say.
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Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 3:06 PM EDT
Patrick Willis at ILB and Jerome Harrison and Demarcus Ware at OLB. -
Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 4:11 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?:In Response to Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today? : I didn't say he wasn't, I just wanted an explanation. And I didn't ask you for an explanation, fool.
Posted by Celtics12345
Nice attitude Celtics12345. If you watch any football you wouldn't have to ask this question. Go back to the Celtics forum. -
Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 6:42 PM EDT
Willis and Ware are 1 and 2 for me. -
Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 8:26 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?:In Response to Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today? : Nice attitude Celtics12345. If you watch any football you wouldn't have to ask this question. Go back to the Celtics forum.
Posted by PatsNut5480
I just might, this board is full of people who can never be wrong, I should just stop asking people to explain things. I mean, only a troll asks for explanations, right? -
Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 9:00 PM EDT
If Willis had Razorblades for forearms we'd see the many incarnations of Jason Vorhees wrought large on the football field every Sunday. He doesn't have blades for forearms. So instead of unmitigated blugeonings, you get forced fumbles, concussions, abrasions, broken bones and other forms of near-death experiences. That's at ILB.
I still like Demarcus Ware at OLB. Great in pursuit, Great in Coverage, Great in rush. If Belichick had him, we would ruin the NFL. -
Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 9:26 PM EDT
Monty Beisel -
Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 6/30/2010 10:55 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?:Monty Beisel
Posted by Tcal2
How about you contribute something besides garbage, TROLL?!?!?!?!?!?! -
Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 7/1/2010 12:00 AM EDT
O.K....As of TO-day (meaning-this very moment):
So say, I'm runnin a 3-4 D, Many on here are absolutely dead-on with 2 positions, 2 players whom I want locked in stone as mainstays: Patrick Willis & Demarcus Ware.
First off (besides quality of play), A1, I need some guys that I can buil a team of the future around, LONG-term. I need guys hopefully UNDER 30 years old...guys with several seasons left on their bodies.
Now, I want Demarcus Ware at SAM (Strongside OLB) for a few reasons: WHY not weakside OLB, the pass-rushing specialist? Well, I want my Strongside guy at the bare minimum, 6'3 and above 260lbs, in order to set the edge best on that wider expanse of the field. I want him with a total & complete game set of skills-Run Stopper (big, stout enough), Pass Defender (fast in open field, good at pass coverage), and then in that ideal world, I want HIM too, to be a pass-rushing threat. Ware is still like 27 yo, or something. 6'4, just above 260lbs, This guy's coverage skills, ability to set an edge are simply top-notch, and man having a guy with above 10 Sacks in all but his first season, simply is cake. Overall, I DO know of smaller guys with lesser TOTAL skill-sets, who can man that weakside OLB spot (a place Ware could line up also), but I DON'T know of a guy equal to Ware who could line-up at Strongside...so he goes here period.
Let's jjust bang Patrick Willis outta the way, cause this dude's goin' somewhere Inside...the big question is whether He's lining up @ JACK (weakside ILB) or MIKE (strongside ILB)- (also I know the names differ in NE's Defense somewhat, but standard terms apply here)... So look, even THOUGH I once recall Willis stating in some interview once awhile back, that he actually LIKED and REVELED in taking on Offensive Lineman (like a strongside ILB is more prone to do in order to free up the weaksie ILB for the tackle), I'm STILL placing Willis @ JACK, the WILB spot). Here's WHY: Willis is still roughly only 6'1 and something like 245lbs or just under... Willis CAN do it all, and he'll be asked to, since in a 3-4 even with that Strongside ILB, He'll still be seeing more and freer O-Lineman in his direction. Also, I don't want Willis @ 6'1 and some 5'11-6'0 guy BOTH in the middle...I want a lil' more girth and weight in the middle of the field there... Willis can cover, blitz, and He'll now in my 3-4 D Dream, Be less impeded to knock the fillings outta a ball carrier. Also, Dude's been in the league for only like 3 years, so the age thing is ideal...
Moving On to Weakside OLB (WILL)...pass-rushing specialist. Wow- Dis here's an extremely tough one. Finding an under 30 year old NFL player who's a sack machine at OLB is sorta hard. Finding an under 30 yo old who can also cover the pass, Is much tougher...BUT, Finding an under 30 year old OLB who is NOT UNDER-sized (and do ALL the above) is somewhat problematic here for me... I absolutely NEED my weakside OLB to be Defensively versatile, and NOT the other way around...I NEED to be able to have my Defense give different looks, and NOT in any way be BOTH single player HAVING to line-up somewhere (to use his very specific qualities and skill-set). In the same sense, I Do NOT want some Tully Banta-Cain on the weakside spot, who CAN be a somewhat decent enough pass-rushing threat, but who IS a negative when the ball is being run to his side of the field. I'M exploiting the Offense, and I ain't having it the other way around people, with the Offensive Play Calling exploiting me, by exploiting the limited skill-set of one'a MY players...No Way.
So who do we got? You say, "Elvis Dumervil", and at 5'11, I'll laugh in your face. 6'2 about 260lbs and with wear and tear left on their tenure in the league... O.k., as Uttterly and ridddiculously painful as this is for me to say, James Harrison is out...and he's probably my favorite OLB in a 3-4 in the league the past fw seasons. Harrison is physical, smart, smart and smart. He's a leader and had right abouts 10+ Sack average the past few years, and he CAN cover very, very well...But god, It's his something like 7 forced fumbles a year which I LOVE... ALL these other guys wanna do the big things: Big hit, Big Sack Big INT...Harrison KNOWS that an unheralded break-up of a pass, or simply stopping a ball-carrier, or stripping the ball, IS a huge play that you WON'T see on ESPN (you'll just get the Win). So upon me lauding Harrison's skill and team-play, @ 32 years old and @ roughly 6'0 and just over 240lbs (gulp), He's gonna slow down soon and I DO want a bit better size to set the edge on a run (this hurt).
2 choices: LaMarr Woodley & Terrel Suggs...It's their job to lose. Both roughly the same size: 6'3 260 for Suggs and 6'2 and 265 for Woodley, Imho Sugga has ust a bit better total game in all aspects (excellent at pass-coverage imo and very good at stopping the run)...but (and this another tough call)- I'm taking Woodley. I DO need a pass-rushing threat at this spot and Suggs looks pretty darn good, but His average of about 8 or 9 sacks a year simply doesn't sell me as much as Woodley's 13.5 and 11.5 Sacks the past 2 years. Woodley has only played 3 years thus far (more time still to play), and Suggs has played about 7 or so. Woodley=BIG backfield threat, Over 60 TTs the past 2 season, longer time to play, decent in coverage (but not as good as Suggs)... LaMarr Woodley is my WILL (3-4 weakside OLB).
Finishing my usual hour long post, We got the MIKE to deal with (3-4 Strongside ILB). I'm dead-set on 2 choices here. Look, again I really have to get a guy who can play smashmouth with an O-Lineman in order to free up Patrick Willis to crush the ball-carrier, 6'2 and abouts 250lbs...And I absolutely NEED that team defense that IS versatile, so No 2-down big dude who can ONLY be in on running downs. I want a big SILB who can cover too ideally...Under 30 yo makes this an almost impossibility, right?
The Choices are clear, and the answer is even clearer...Ray Lewis and Brian Urlaher. 2 years ago I woulda went with Ray Lewis manning the MIKE as an over half a decade long choice of mine...But Lewis is slowing down (I know, I know- IF Seau can play SILB until 60, Lewis can too), But Leis has 4 more seasons of wear on his body than 32 year old Urlacher. Find me a SILB under 30 who's STILL maintaining such an excelled level of play as rlacher, and I'll renege on my Under-30 yo stipulation... Until then it's Urlacher. Over 100 TTs a season, about 7 PDef's a year, can still throw in 4 sacks (at ILB!) a year (8 sacks last year), and @ 6'4 and 258lbs, well...enough said.
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Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 7/1/2010 8:51 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?:In Response to Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today? : How about you contribute something besides garbage, TROLL?!?!?!?!?!?!
Posted by Celtics12345
Internet Tuff Guy
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Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 7/1/2010 9:40 AM EDT
MLB - DeMeco Ryans
OLB - James Harrison -
Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 7/1/2010 10:18 AM EDT
@Laz - good stuff, although people would rather beat their chests and act like big tough men online than talk about the merits of football.Hence, I don't really go into too much depth trying to explain things to people who (a) don't care and (b) wouldn't understand anyways.But nice reasoning. -
Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?
posted at 7/1/2010 10:46 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Who is the best linebacker in the NFL today?:O.K....As of TO-day (meaning-this very moment): So say, I'm runnin a 3-4 D, Many on here are absolutely dead-on with 2 positions, 2 players whom I want locked in stone as mainstays: Patrick Willis & Demarcus Ware. First off (besides quality of play), A1, I need some guys that I can buil a team of the future around, LONG-term. I need guys hopefully UNDER 30 years old...guys with several seasons left on their bodies. Now, I want Demarcus Ware at SAM (Strongside OLB) for a few reasons: WHY not weakside OLB, the pass-rushing specialist? Well, I want my Strongside guy at the bare minimum, 6'3 and above 260lbs, in order to set the edge best on that wider expanse of the field. I want him with a total & complete game set of skills-Run Stopper (big, stout enough), Pass Defender (fast in open field, good at pass coverage), and then in that ideal world, I want HIM too, to be a pass-rushing threat. Ware is still like 27 yo, or something. 6'4, just above 260lbs, This guy's coverage skills, ability to set an edge are simply top-notch, and man having a guy with above 10 Sacks in all but his first season, simply is cake. Overall, I DO know of smaller guys with lesser TOTAL skill-sets, who can man that weakside OLB spot (a place Ware could line up also), but I DON'T know of a guy equal to Ware who could line-up at Strongside...so he goes here period. Let's jjust bang Patrick Willis outta the way, cause this dude's goin' somewhere Inside...the big question is whether He's lining up @ JACK (weakside ILB) or MIKE (strongside ILB)- (also I know the names differ in NE's Defense somewhat, but standard terms apply here)... So look, even THOUGH I once recall Willis stating in some interview once awhile back, that he actually LIKED and REVELED in taking on Offensive Lineman (like a strongside ILB is more prone to do in order to free up the weaksie ILB for the tackle), I'm STILL placing Willis @ JACK, the WILB spot). Here's WHY: Willis is still roughly only 6'1 and something like 245lbs or just under... Willis CAN do it all, and he'll be asked to, since in a 3-4 even with that Strongside ILB, He'll still be seeing more and freer O-Lineman in his direction. Also, I don't want Willis @ 6'1 and some 5'11-6'0 guy BOTH in the middle...I want a lil' more girth and weight in the middle of the field there... Willis can cover, blitz, and He'll now in my 3-4 D Dream, Be less impeded to knock the fillings outta a ball carrier. Also, Dude's been in the league for only like 3 years, so the age thing is ideal... Moving On to Weakside OLB (WILL)...pass-rushing specialist. Wow- Dis here's an extremely tough one. Finding an under 30 year old NFL player who's a sack machine at OLB is sorta hard. Finding an under 30 yo old who can also cover the pass, Is much tougher...BUT, Finding an under 30 year old OLB who is NOT UNDER-sized (and do ALL the above) is somewhat problematic here for me... I absolutely NEED my weakside OLB to be Defensively versatile, and NOT the other way around...I NEED to be able to have my Defense give different looks, and NOT in any way be BOTH single player HAVING to line-up somewhere (to use his very specific qualities and skill-set). In the same sense, I Do NOT want some Tully Banta-Cain on the weakside spot, who CAN be a somewhat decent enough pass-rushing threat, but who IS a negative when the ball is being run to his side of the field. I'M exploiting the Offense, and I ain't having it the other way around people, with the Offensive Play Calling exploiting me, by exploiting the limited skill-set of one'a MY players...No Way. So who do we got? You say, "Elvis Dumervil", and at 5'11, I'll laugh in your face. 6'2 about 260lbs and with wear and tear left on their tenure in the league... O.k., as Uttterly and ridddiculously painful as this is for me to say, James Harrison is out...and he's probably my favorite OLB in a 3-4 in the league the past fw seasons. Harrison is physical, smart, smart and smart. He's a leader and had right abouts 10+ Sack average the past few years, and he CAN cover very, very well...But god, It's his something like 7 forced fumbles a year which I LOVE... ALL these other guys wanna do the big things: Big hit, Big Sack Big INT...Harrison KNOWS that an unheralded break-up of a pass, or simply stopping a ball-carrier, or stripping the ball, IS a huge play that you WON'T see on ESPN (you'll just get the Win). So upon me lauding Harrison's skill and team-play, @ 32 years old and @ roughly 6'0 and just over 240lbs (gulp), He's gonna slow down soon and I DO want a bit better size to set the edge on a run (this hurt). 2 choices: LaMarr Woodley & Terrel Suggs...It's their job to lose. Both roughly the same size: 6'3 260 for Suggs and 6'2 and 265 for Woodley, Imho Sugga has ust a bit better total game in all aspects (excellent at pass-coverage imo and very good at stopping the run)...but (and this another tough call)- I'm taking Woodley. I DO need a pass-rushing threat at this spot and Suggs looks pretty darn good, but His average of about 8 or 9 sacks a year simply doesn't sell me as much as Woodley's 13.5 and 11.5 Sacks the past 2 years. Woodley has only played 3 years thus far (more time still to play), and Suggs has played about 7 or so. Woodley=BIG backfield threat, Over 60 TTs the past 2 season, longer time to play, decent in coverage (but not as good as Suggs)... LaMarr Woodley is my WILL (3-4 weakside OLB). Finishing my usual hour long post, We got the MIKE to deal with (3-4 Strongside ILB). I'm dead-set on 2 choices here. Look, again I really have to get a guy who can play smashmouth with an O-Lineman in order to free up Patrick Willis to crush the ball-carrier, 6'2 and abouts 250lbs...And I absolutely NEED that team defense that IS versatile, so No 2-down big dude who can ONLY be in on running downs. I want a big SILB who can cover too ideally...Under 30 yo makes this an almost impossibility, right? The Choices are clear, and the answer is even clearer...Ray Lewis and Brian Urlaher. 2 years ago I woulda went with Ray Lewis manning the MIKE as an over half a decade long choice of mine...But Lewis is slowing down (I know, I know- IF Seau can play SILB until 60, Lewis can too), But Leis has 4 more seasons of wear on his body than 32 year old Urlacher. Find me a SILB under 30 who's STILL maintaining such an excelled level of play as rlacher, and I'll renege on my Under-30 yo stipulation... Until then it's Urlacher. Over 100 TTs a season, about 7 PDef's a year, can still throw in 4 sacks (at ILB!) a year (8 sacks last year), and @ 6'4 and 258lbs, well...enough said.
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