Who is the most overrated player of all time?

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    I'm inclined to say Brett Favre simply because he won't go away, and everyone ignores his true legend -- which is throwing interceptions better and more frequently than any quarterback in the complete history of ever -- in favor of some perceived "gunslinger" mentality that is a fiction concocted entirely inside the not inconsiderable skull of John Madden.






     
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    I, too, say Favre. I think what built up his hype was his story: country boy, blinded by the lights, addiction, overcoming addiction, father dies and he plays a brilliant game, wife diagnosed with cancer, tough kid, never takes a play off, running around like a kid, instead of wearing suits and ties he wears Wrangler's. I mean really, not even the suits could come up with such an iconic marketing machine.

    I think people love him because they can relate to him.

    On the field, he's COMPLETE hit/miss and some of his most ugly misses have been in the most crucial games. See last year against the Saints and 2007 against the Giants.

    I would say, though, that Peyton is in the top 3 somewhere. He's a great regular season QB and he's broken almost every record there is but to me, the NFL is not a league for stat nerds (as Colin Cowherd always says), it's about legacy, rings, January/February football. When you look at his career in that light, he's failed to meet expectations. He has one ring against a team that had ZERO offense and a complete joke of a QB. In the most critical playoff games, he's thrown crucial picks and what adds to it is he, his owner, GM, and sometimes coach, almost ALWAYS blamed someone else. Put Polian on the competition committee and I'd say that's helped swing some balance in favor of Peyton.
     
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    I was just in on another thread and this topic came up and a few people commented on it which made me think it could be a thread of its own. So what do you guys think? Who is the most overrated player of all time? IMO it was Dan Marino. For all his stats he was never able to win a super bowl and when it comes to legacy its super bowl or bust. All his records have been smashed so what good did they do him? Was it Brett Farve? What say you?
    Posted by MVPkilla4life


         At tie between Warren Moon and Dan Fouts. These guys have no business being in the Hall of Fame. What have they ever won? At least Dan Marino took the Dolphins on multiple play-off trips, and to one SB.

         To say that Brett Farve is overrated is ridiculous. He's won a SB, went to another...and played well in both games. He's the Cal Ripken of the NFL. What he did last season at age 40...bad interception against New Orleans in the NFC title game notwithstanding...was incredible.   
     
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    Ryan Leaf, scouts and GMs were debating between him and Peyton Manning as who they should draft #1 overall.
     
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    I know this is older than 20 years but it has to be Joe Namath.  The guy is a household name to this day but was more like a Trent Dilfer than a Joe Montana. 

    Going for modern players- Reggie Bush has been riding college hype for a while now while essentially being a Kevin Faulk... except Faulk is better.


     
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    You guys are crazy in my opinion. Marino was amazing. So he didn't win a super bowl. It's a team game. Having a defense helps.

    Favre won a super bowl. I don't think you can overrate him just because he was a gunslinger. He had one of his best years at age 40.

    I remember Fouts being awesome in air-Coryell's offense. One player cannot win a super bowl.

    Michael Vick, Jeff George, Roy Williams (Safety), Reggie Bush now these guys were(are) overrated.
     
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    You guys are crazy in my opinion. Marino was amazing. So he didn't win a super bowl. It's a team game. Having a defense helps. Favre won a super bowl. I don't think you can overrate him just because he was a gunslinger. He had one of his best years at age 40. I remember Fouts being awesome in air-Coryell's offense. One player cannot win a super bowl. Michael Vick, Jeff George, Roy Williams (Safety), Reggie Bush now these guys were(are) overrated.
    Posted by digger0862

    I can second Michael Vick.  Even pre dogfighting scandal he was on every commercial without accomplishing jack.  ESPN love to wow us with his incredible feets of running for 100 yards in a game while ignoring the fact that he threw for 75 yards and an interception.  Guy produces 175 yards total and he's a Pro Bowler, meanwhile every mediocre QB in the NFL can throw for 250-300 yards a game. 
     
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    In my opinion Brett Favre. I have always thought so. Love Dan Marino though. I still think he's the best QB I've ever seen. Definitely wasn't his fault they didn't win Superbowls.
     
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    Almost anyone from USC? Dan Fouts? this guy had a gun. He orchestrated the Stragic Air Command with one of the best WR/TE groups of all time. No SB but tons of W's. Marino should never be mentioned on this thread either
    Posted by Sam-Adams


    10-4 on USC and don't forget about Notre Dame. Rick Mirer and Ron Powlus. Unbelievably overrated out of college.
     
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    Hey to each his own , but I cant take anyone serious that says Favre or Marino is/was overrated. And the answers you give are really kind of dumb , sorry , but they are. Marino's overrated because he never won a championship , really? So is Cris Carter overrated , of coarse not he's one of the top 10 WRs of all time. Is Moss-man overrated , obviously not! Is it Randy's fault Anderson choked on pri ck and missed a gimmie 39 yard FG? Or that his entire O-line and D-line collapsed in the biggest game of their careers? The guy averages more yards and TD's per year than Rice , but because he's never won it all , by your logic hes overrated. That thought process makes no sense at all. Ive always said and still believe that to an extent winning is overrated. I mean sit down and think about how many things need to come together for a team to win it all. Injuries , schedule , teammates , coaches , I wouldnt have enough time to list them all. Some of you may say these are excuses , but there real.
     
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     Darrelle Revis.

       Even with Ryan's pass rush happy front 7 Revis still needs safety help on most plays.

     He's a weak tackler and a cancer in the locker room.

     I think the Jets will let him walk and not skip a beat.
     
     
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    Peyton Manning. I'm not saying Peyton isn't a great player, if I started a list of my top ten QBs in the history of the NFL Peyton would be in the top 5. What I mean is that the Colts win, it was Peyton. When the Colts lose, It was everybody else's fault. 
     
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    HEY DOES ANYONE REMEMBER A JIM KELLEY?  4 SUPER BOWLS  O WINS BUT GREAT QB  GREAT PERSON  GREAT TEAM PLAYER  OK MOST OVERRATED IS SHANNON SHARP. SORRY BUT DAN MARINO,JIM KELLEY,JOHN ELWAY, AND SOME GUY PATRIOTS GOT WAS THE BEST QB DRAFT EVER AND ALL THREE WERE GREAT QB'S EXCEPT THAT GUY WE GOT AND SHANNON SHARP OVERRATED
     
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    I'm seeing a lot of "this guy can't be over-rated because he did this, that and the other thing" responses, which I think misses the point of the thread. When I think of guys who are over-rated, I don't think of the players, I think of the fans and the media. Who, after all, is doing this "rating" we're talking about? It's easy enough to say that guys like Manning or Favre can't be over-rated because they've been on some very good teams and stumbled upon a little hardware despite themselves, but when everything you see and hear about a player is designed to convince you that he walks on water -- and his play continually shows you that he lives primarily to squander most of his opportunities . . .   well . . .  that's over-rated.

    Put this question on a forum in another city and watch how many people say "Tom Brady."





     
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    I'm going with Jim McMahon.   Yes he was the QB on one of the greatest teams of all time,  but did you want him on your team?  I'd clearly take Marino or Favre over him for QBing my team, hell its almost a toss up as to whether I would prefer Tony Eason to him.

    I gave serious thought to Keyshawn Johnson.
     
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    Favre, Kelly is second
     
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    I'm with the camp that says picking Marino, Favre, or Peyton borders on being stoned. Hmmm....   Jim McMahon is a good choice.  He was overrated, but I don't know if it rises to the level "of all time".  Frankly, there have been a ton of overrated payers in the NFL.  Too many to choose from.  They are usually just some average player benefiting from a particular scheme or fellow player that makes them look better than they are.

    So given the quantity of candidates, I'll stick with a Patriot as my choice.  I'm going with Brian Holloway.  I think he went to 3 Pro-Bowls yet was purely average.  He is the epitome of the player who benefited from a fellow player.  In this case, playing next to the great John Hannah had its rewards.
     
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    Almost anyone from USC? Dan Fouts? this guy had a gun. He orchestrated the Stragic Air Command with one of the best WR/TE groups of all time. No SB but tons of W's. Marino should never be mentioned on this thread either
    Posted by Sam-Adams


         Sorry...but Fouts won nothing. Ask yourself this...what could Tom Brady, Brett Farve, or Dan Marino have done with the weapons that Fouts had? Fouts didn't start until he was 26 years old...and the final 5 years of his career were quite forgettable. He also had a stellar OL in front of him. He was better than Warren Moon ...but that's  about it.

         Here's a summation of Fouts' career: 


         "Drafted in the third round out of the University of Oregon in 1973, Fouts helped lead the Chargers to the playoffs from 1979 to 1982 and twice to the AFC title game (1980 and 1981). He led the league four times in passing yards; ending his career with over 40,000, the third player to surpass that landmark. Fouts was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1993.


         Fouts was a 6-time Pro Bowl selection (1979-1983 & 1985) and compiled passer ratings over 90.0 for a 3-year stretch (1981-83). Fouts threw for over 4,000 yards for 3 consecutive seasons (1979-81), led the NFL in passing yards in 4 consecutive seasons(1979-1982) and 6 times eclipsed the 20-touchdown mark with a career high 33 in 1981. His career high of 4,802 passing yards during the 1981 season was an NFL record at the time.


         In 1982, a season shortened to 9 games because of a strike, Fouts averaged what is still a record of 320 yards passing per game.[4] Highlights that season included back-to-back victories against the 1981 Super Bowl teams San Francisco (41-37) and Cincinnati (50-34) in which Fouts threw for over 400 yards in each game to lead the Chargers to shootout victories.[5]


         Fouts garnered All-Pro selections in both 1979 and 1982, while also being named 2nd Team All-Pro in 1980 and 1985. In addition Fouts was also named 2nd Team All-AFC in 1981 and 1983. However, Fouts and the Chargers lost both AFC Championship Games in which they played.


         His first few years in the league were inauspicious, but with the arrival of Don "Air" Coryell in 1978 the Chargers' fortunes turned. Yet it was actually two years earlier, with the arrival of Joe Gibbs as the Charger's offensive coordinator, that the seeds of success were planted. Under Coryell, the Chargers were known for the deep passing game and the involvement of the tight end as a key receiver. This required a tough, intelligent quarterback with a strong arm. Fouts fit the bill.


         Fouts was not a mobile quarterback and the deep passing game led to many hits. Fouts's ability to take punishment and still play at a very high level is unique. Rarely using the shotgun, Fouts would drop back from center and look for one of a bevy of great receivers. Wide receiver Charlie Joiner and tight end Kellen Winslow were the most famous, both now in the Hall of Fame, but John Jefferson and Wes Chandler, among others, were also key. Fouts's passing enabled Winslow to lead the NFL in receptions twice (1980,1981), while Winslow (1982) and Lionel James (1985) led the AFC in receptions on another 2 combined occasions.[6] James, in fact, set the NFL record (since broken) in 1985 for receiving yards by a running back at 1,027[7] . Jefferson became the first receiver to have 1,000 yards receiving in each of his first three seasons in the NFL. Both Jefferson (1980) and Chandler (1982) led the NFL in receiving yards.[8] Chandler's 129 yards receiving per game average in 1982 is still a league record.[9] Both Jefferson (1978, 1980) and Chandler (1982) led the NFL in receiving TDs. In 1980, Winslow, Jefferson and Joiner became the first trio on the same team to have 1,000 yards receiving in a season. When he retired after 1986, Joiner was the NFL's all-time leader in receptions with 750.[10]


         Pass protection was also critical for such an offense. The Chargers had an excellent offensive line which protected Fouts well, and included 4 time Pro Bowler Ed White, 5 time Pro Bowler Russ Washington, 3 time Pro Bowler Doug Wilkerson, Billy Shields and Don Macek. The Chargers led the league in passing yards an NFL record 6 consecutive years from 1978-1983 and again in 1985 under Fouts.[11] They also led the league in total yards in offense 1980-1983 and 1985.

    Despite going to the playoffs from 1979 through 1982 and playing in 2 AFC Championship Games, the Chargers never went to the Super Bowl under Fouts (although they went 7 years after his retirement). Usually this is attributed to poor defense and their unwillingness to run the ball. In Fouts's prime the defense was not as stellar, but the running game became far better with the addition of Chuck Muncie, traded from New Orleans in 1980, and the drafting of James Brooks from Auburn in 1981. It is believed the defense had little opportunity to improve as the offense often scored quickly, leaving the defense to spend far too much time on the field. It also hurt that Fred Dean, an All-Pro sack specialist, was traded away to the San Francisco 49ers in 1981 in a contact dispute,[12] and Dean would win UPI NFC Defensive Player of the Year (while playing in only 11 games) that year en route to a Super Bowl victory and help the 49ers to another Super Bowl title two years later. Dean would later be inducted into the Hall of Fame.[13]


         "I can't say how much it affected us, because we did make it to the AFC championship game," said Chargers' All-Pro defensive lineman Gary "Big Hands" Johnson of the loss of Dean. "But I could say if we had more pass rush from the corner, it might've been different."[14]


         Overall, the Chargers achieved three wins against four losses in the playoffs under Fouts, who threw for over 300 yards in all but two of those games. One of their more notable wins was the 1982 playoff game known in NFL Lore as The Epic in Miami, where Fouts led his team to a 41-38 victory by completing 33 of 53 passes for a franchise record 433 yards and 3 touchdowns on the hot and humid day. His completions, attempts, and yards in the game were all NFL postseason records at the time. The following week in the AFC championship game in Cincinnati, there was a 144°F drop in temperature compared to the previous week in Miami,[15] and the Chargers lost 27-7 in what is known as the Freezer Bowl.


         The following season, he threw for 333 yards and 3 touchdowns in a 31-28 win over the Pittsburgh Steelers in the AFC divisional playoff round. Fouts played 15 NFL seasons with 3,297 of 5,604 completions for 43,040 yards and 254 touchdowns, with 242 interceptions. He also rushed for 476 yards and 13 touchdowns.  He is one of only seven quarterbacks in NFL history who have achieved two consecutive (back-to-back) 30-touchdown passing seasons."

    FROM Wikipedia 

     
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    Franco Harris has to be it.  I never saw him make a good run, yet everyone raved about him.  His whole career was based on the Immaculate Reception.  I can think of dozens of better runners.

    Chris Carter has the numbers, but I never saw him make a play that impressed me.  Watch a couple of Randy Moss games and you will see a catch that only Moss makes.

    If you think Joe Namath was overrated you never saw him play.  He used to routinely make the Pats look like amateurs.  He is the only person to ever make the Jets winners. You might as well say that Mickey Mantle was overrated. 

    People are wrong about Marino.  I can't think of a single QB who got the ball off and avoided sacks the way he could.  He also was the only QB to beat the Bears in 1985.  He put up 38 points against a D that allowed only 10.7 points per game in its other 15 games and is considered to be one of the best defenses of all time.

    Nobody overrated McMahon more than he himself.
     
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    Easy...  Emmitt Smith

    Not that he wasn't a talented player because he was, and an all around nice guy but the simple fact is this... he ran behind arguably the greatest offensive line ever.  He used to run through holes as big as a Volkswagon.

    I used to watch him and think "boy if Barry Sanders ran behind that he would have a 3000 yard season."  That there was even discussion back in the day of who was better is laughable looking back on it now.
     
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    barack obama
     
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    Easy...  Emmitt Smith Not that he wasn't a talented player because he was, and an all around nice guy but the simple fact is this... he ran behind arguably the greatest offensive line ever.  He used to run through holes as big as a Volkswagon. I used to watch him and think "boy if Barry Sanders ran behind that he would have a 3000 yard season."  That there was even discussion back in the day of who was better is laughable looking back on it now.
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    IMO, this is the correct answer...and no, not just because im a canes fan who thinks the gaytors arent very talented :-)
     
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    I'd still defend my choice of Favre. Being over rated doesn't mean you're a bad QB.
    Brett Favre is possibly the most Revered QB in the last 20 years yet if you take a look at his history in Big games he forces the dumbest passes for ints that I have ever seen. I don't have an axe to grind with Favre or the Pack but I can tell you I do business with people from out there that are huge fans and when Favre was still there his last 4 to 5 years the fans were really turning sour on him because of that said tendency. He has been elevated to living legend status and although he's good he just isn't that good.
     
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    Joe Montana
     
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    I defend my choice of Ryan Leaf. All the hype prior to the draft that year was who's better Leaf or Manning?  who will be #1 overall.... well how dat work for ya San Diego? 
     

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