Who Needs a PASS RUSH?

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    Turnovers come when the QB has too much time and becomes indecisive huh.  Can't say I agree with that.  The pass rush can be a bit overrated, if it relies on blitzing than a good QB will expose the holes. 
     
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    This has to be a joke. The Giants beat the Pats because their pass rush was so dominate that game and their DB's weren't even good. No DB can cover recievers for more than a few seconds. That the way it is an always will be.
     
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    The Giants had help from the refs not calling the holding on the "miracle" play.  
     
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    Well, we won 3 SB when we had a good pass-rusher in Willie-Mac, since he left we've only been there once. 
     
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    The Giants had help from the refs not calling the holding on the "miracle" play.  
    Posted by boomerst3


    holding on the miracle play would not have mattered if the giants pass rush did not stump the 17-0 pats offense all night.
     
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    With the Polian Rules now in full-fledged effect, six years after they were "re-emphasized," a pass rush has become more important than ever in the NFL, because DBs now have virtual handcuffs placed on them every single time a pass play is called.

    The Pats had better get Schoebel or they're going to end up losing a lot of games like the games at Miami, at Indy and at Denver last season----late leads that dissolved because they couldn't make the QB feel any heat in the pocket late in the game (I know, the phantom PI call against Butler really, really hurt them in the Indy game, but they also couldn't even get near Manning when the Colts were making the furious rally).
     
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    Everyone seems to be concerned about a lack of a pass rush.  Since i can remember, Belichicks been running a unique system in a sense of "bend but dont break."  That's why he loves BIG OLB's and FAST DB's. TURNOVERS come about most often on broken plays or plays where QB's have too much time and become indecisive.  Belichick preaches for each player to "do their job" and protect their area of the field which leaves nowhere to throw.  The longer a QB holds the ball the more likely Holding will be called. If you watched Vrable & McGinnest in the past they excelled in holding up their position and shedding blocks in pursuit of the ball carrier, whether it be a RB or QB and thats how they got sacks, hurries, & TFL's. Another reason why Adalius Thomas was ineffective in our system was because of his instincts as a pure pass rusher.  Instead of holding up his position he went relentlessly after the QB which resulted in either good pressure or being out of position allowing the opposing QB to make a play. Ultimately, a good passing attack and great QB's find ways to beat blitzes and pass rushes. You just go out there & do your job. Dont get beat by your man and if your patient, good things will happen on Defense.
    Posted by 617AcrossDaBoard


    I agree! I'm sick of all the whining about the pass rush on here.  BB is all about stopping the run, dropping back into coverage and stopping the big play.  This will work against 90% of the quarterbacks out there - they won't be able to march down the field on an extended drive.  For the Mannings and Brees out there, BB will come up with a way to stop them.
     
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    With the Polian Rules now in full-fledged effect, six years after they were "re-emphasized," a pass rush has become more important than ever in the NFL, because DBs now have virtual handcuffs placed on them every single time a pass play is called. The Pats had better get Schoebel or they're going to end up losing a lot of games like the games at Miami, at Indy and at Denver last season----late leads that dissolved because they couldn't make the QB feel any heat in the pocket late in the game (I know, the phantom PI call against Butler really, really hurt them in the Indy game, but they also couldn't even get near Manning when the Colts were making the furious rally).
    Posted by hardright



    Uuuuhhhhmmm, The PATS Need a PASS Rush! I totally agree with Hardright here - as I couldn't have said this any better!  Good stuff and right on!  They better GET SCHOBEL is right!

    Throw some LOOT at Schobel -
     
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    I agree with the whole situation with Polian & the refs but what I was reffering to is not the actual pass rush but the type of pass rushers. Bill would prefer a McGinnist or Vrable (former DE's) that hold up their position & know the right instinctive time to come off a block & have the ability to shed that block. Merrimen, Peppers, Suggs, Freeney, etc are all relentless pass rushers who wouldnt work in the type of 3-4 we run. Our corners dont even play man on every down & play about 5 ft off their man. Its all about "Protecting your area of the field". Seymore had the ability to get 12+ sacks a year but instead he would hold his position & distrupt the passing game by tipping balls at the line & sometimes actually sacking the QB, but rarely. Look what A Thomas was able to do in Baltimore, or Colvin in Chicago.  You sacrifice stats in a NE 3-4 because we play TEAM DEFENSE! Probably why we passed up on Hughes & Kindle as well. Then went on to draft the 2nd best DE from Florida in Cunningham & passed on Dunlap with that very pick.
    Posted by 617AcrossDaBoard


    You're exactly right but most people on here will never buy this.  All they do is scream for pass-rush and a more aggressive attacking defense.  I prefer BB's approach.
     
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    McGinest was the toughest SOB on the team. He scared everyone enough to make them do their job and play better . He was the enforcer!
    BB should have brought back McGinest, at least for a little while and let him retire a patriot.
     
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    Everyone seems to be concerned about a lack of a pass rush.  Since i can remember, Belichicks been running a unique system in a sense of "bend but dont break."  That's why he loves BIG OLB's and FAST DB's. TURNOVERS come about most often on broken plays or plays where QB's have too much time and become indecisive.  Belichick preaches for each player to "do their job" and protect their area of the field which leaves nowhere to throw.  The longer a QB holds the ball the more likely Holding will be called. If you watched Vrable & McGinnest in the past they excelled in holding up their position and shedding blocks in pursuit of the ball carrier, whether it be a RB or QB and thats how they got sacks, hurries, & TFL's. Another reason why Adalius Thomas was ineffective in our system was because of his instincts as a pure pass rusher.  Instead of holding up his position he went relentlessly after the QB which resulted in either good pressure or being out of position allowing the opposing QB to make a play. Ultimately, a good passing attack and great QB's find ways to beat blitzes and pass rushes. You just go out there & do your job. Dont get beat by your man and if your patient, good things will happen on Defense.
    Posted by 617AcrossDaBoard


    Thomas went relentlessly after the QB? You're kidding right? Right? And btw, McGinnest and Vrabel are something that no one on this roster currently is; naturally sized, timed, trained, bread, coached pass rushers. They both had the height, long arms and burst to get to a QB. Did they hold their ground and play within a scheme? Yes, but make no mistake of what those guys were, highly skilled, don't grow on trees pass rushers. McGinnest was the 4th overall pick in the draft and Vrabel was a pass rush specialist at Ohio State. We now are smaller and less experienced and very thin at that spot and it's going to hurt them. Those 3rd and eights in the 4th quarter are going to be killer. You know when the QB has the ball and there's no one near him and he gets to look all around the field while our D-Backs are held out to dry...and either completion for 10 or defensive interference...1st down!! An entire week of practice and planing down the drain because we haven't drafted an outside guy high the last 5 years. 
     
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    Pass-rush is basically the same as a high scoring offense ... it's entertaining and gets people excited.  Dropping back in coverage, not giving up the big play and holding the offense to a field goal will never get the fans riled up, but BB has shown that it wins games.  
     
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