Who Will Be Better For Thier Team HIghtower or Upshaw?

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    Who Will Be Better For Thier Team HIghtower or Upshaw?

    A. theories of why we took hihgtower over upshaw and
    B. who do you think will be more successful for their team and why?


    upshaw is going to have a huge chip on his shoulder to play for after dropping out of round 1.
     
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    Jeez, good thread. That's a good question. I'm going to go with Hightower. For one thing Hightower was supposedly coveted by the Ravens and Ozzie Newsome and were said to have traded back after NE selected him - so you know they thought highly of him. I think Hightower is just a more diverse player at this point - he's able to cover, rush and play very physical in the middle. I think Belichick will use him all over the place in our fronts...I'm not sure the Ravens will be able to do that with Upshaw.

    Belichick told the media that Saban said that Hightower was a complete player that never had to come off the field and was used in lots of different roles...I doubt he said the same thing about Upshaw.
     
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    I don't know.  OLB seemed like the bigger need but I do think Hightower is the more polished player.  I like that he's the QB of a championship defense, and a captain.  I would have put both these guys over Jones, so what do I know.

    Upshaw is certainly walking into a better situation defensively.  So I guess I would say he will see more success first on the Ravens, but I think it would be that way with Hightower too.
     
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    Hightower beacuse Upshaw was mainly a rush DE, as far as I could tell from Youtube clips.
     
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    Hightower, superior versatility. BB, IMO, will use him all over the place.

    From what I have seen, Upshaw is more limited in what he can do. I'm sure he will fit in the Jarret Johnson/edge setting role that the Ravens currently are missing(JJ signed with SD) pretty damn well.
     
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    Upshaw is a stone-hips.  I hope he can blitz the quarterback as a defensive end because he can't cover, and so he's not a real linebacker. 

    Myra Kraft would never accept someone who grabbed his girlfriend by the hair and attempted to throw her down.  He went for anger management afterwards, but it raises questions.  How stupid is this dude?  Does he get into trouble because of drinking?  Just wondering, and I'll never know.  Or care.
     
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    Posted by mthurl[/QUOTE]

    Jeez, good thread.

    kind of you to say


    That's a good question. I'm going to go with Hightower. For one thing Hightower was supposedly coveted by the Ravens and Ozzie Newsome and were said to have traded back after NE selected him

    ive heard that but id love to see that connfirmed and to hear the whole story.
    if we "gronked" them again (stole their player out from under them), i want to know and to celebrate it, especially in light of j harbaugh's envy/sour grapes.

    - so you know they thought highly of him. I think Hightower is just a more diverse player at this point

    agreed but versatile doenst mean better.

     - he's able to cover, rush and play very physical in the middle. I think Belichick will use him all over the place in our fronts...I'm not sure the Ravens will be able to do that with Upshaw.

    Belichick told the media that Saban said that Hightower was a complete player that never had to come off the field and was used in lots of different roles...I doubt he said the same thing about Upshaw.

    upshaw was a beast in college.
    hightower was the captain and placed the defense on every play.


     
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    [QUOTE]Upshaw is a stone-hips.  I hope he can blitz the quarterback as a defensive end because he can't cover, and so he's not a real linebacker.  Myra Kraft would never accept someone who grabbed his girlfriend by the hair and attempted to throw her down.  He went for anger management afterwards, but it raises questions.  How stupid is this dude?  Does he get into trouble because of drinking?  Just wondering, and I'll never know.  Or care.
    Posted by Paul_K[/QUOTE]

    "Myra Kraft would never accept someone who grabbed his girlfriend by the hair and attempted to throw her down"

    can you point me in a direction to find that.

    i  would never aceppt someone who did that either.

    thanks paul.
     
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    I think Dont'a will have more success do in part to him being on the field more than upshaw will because of his versatility. BB will line him up anywhere, can't say the same about upshaw.
     
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    [QUOTE]I think Dont'a will have more success do in part to him being on the field more than upshaw will because of his versatility. BB will line him up anywhere, can't say the same about upshaw.
    Posted by leonardo0110[/QUOTE]

    i do hope hes as effective or moreso for us as upshaw for baltimore.

    upshaw is a player though, which is why i didnt want him to make it to baltimore

     
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    Hightower.  Remember when people thought that Mayo was going to be a threat to rush the passer this year during the preseason (particularly in the game against TB).  I think one of the reasons we didn't see anything like that during the regular season is that with Dane Fletcher getting hurt there was not nearly enough depth inside to justify moving Mayo away from his more traditional "QB of the defense" role.  If Hightower and Spikes can stay healthy I could see Mayo getting to freelance a bit more this year and getting more of a chance to make the "impact plays" that a lot of people think are missing from his game.  In addition Hightower is versatile enough to play outside on some downs when they want Mayo inside.  Upshaw could be a nice player, but isn't going to bring the versatility that Hightower can bring to NE.
     
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    They both fit what their teams that drafted them do.
     
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    I liked Upshaw's football instincts but I do think Hightower has a little more versatility in that he seems more likely to be able to play OLB with pass coverage responsibilties. But I think both will do real well.

    It is possible Upshaw has the more impactfull rookie year. But by late in the year Hightower should be being used in a wider set of packages and, if we go deep into the playoffs, and he is healthy, I do expect Hightower will be a key player and playmaker in those multiple packages.

    Ultimately I think they will both do very well in their roles for two good teams. And I think both teams will ahve good Ds; the Pats especially by late in the year when more of the younger players and rookies have had time to learn and find roles.

    Good thread. And nice to see thoughts without the incendiary bombs being tossed around.
     
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    I would have been fine with Upshaw going anywhere except Baltimore or Pittsburgh. He will benefit greatly from playing with those guys. I think he's going to be a tremendous player learning all the tricks of the trade from Suggs. I think both players will have very nice careers.
     
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    I also wanted upshaw to end up on any team from the NFC (except the giants ) but he landed in baltimore, a great situation for him, he has Ray, suggs, to take him under their wings. If they lined him up opposite suggs he can have a bigger impact early than Dont'a but by the end of the season dont'a numbers will be much better than upshaw and if we go on a deep playoff run he'll have the impact that upshaw had early in the season.

    This would of been a sick draft if we had gotten jones,dont'a and upshaw....but 2/3 isn't a bad %
     
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    [QUOTE]I also wanted upshaw to end up on any team from the NFC (except the giants ) but he landed in baltimore, a great situation for him, he has Ray, suggs, to take him under their wings. If they lined him up opposite suggs he can have a bigger impact early than Dont'a but by the end of the season dont'a numbers will be much better than upshaw and if we go on a deep playoff run he'll have the impact that upshaw had early in the season. This would of been a sick draft if we had gotten jones,dont'a and upshaw....but 2/3 isn't a bad %
    Posted by leonardo0110[/QUOTE]

    agreed.
     also seems no one has an opinion too much and explanation as to why. yes i like most think they both will be good. still fun to specualte and likely one has more impact on their team

    agrre
     
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    bump
     
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         Don't really care how Upshaw plays. As long as Hightower pans out for the Pats, it's all good.

         That said, with Suggs out, Upshaw will get his chance to shine. Though he's likely disappointed about not selected in the first round, he's fortunate to have landed with the Ravens. Their defensive scheme seems like a perfect match for his skills. Plus, there he'll have the opportunity to learn from some of the best defenders in the game.
     
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     Agree, good thread, and also that Hightower was the better pick for the Pats.  Really like the Hightower pick, think this core of linebackers will compliment eachother extremely well by the end of the season.  
     
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    [QUOTE]     Don't really care how Upshaw plays. As long as Hightower pans out for the Pats, it's all good.      That said, with Suggs out, Upshaw will get his chance to shine. Though he's likely disappointed about not selected in the first round, he's fortunate to have landed with the Ravens. Their defensive scheme seems like a perfect match for his skills. Plus, there he'll have the opportunity to learn from some of the best defenders in the game.
    Posted by TexasPat[/QUOTE]

    agree how well hightower is for us is what matters most.
    i agree with the other points except teh one about not carign how good upshaw is. being that he plays  on a rival, id rather he not be good for them.
     
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    [QUOTE] Agree, good thread, and also that Hightower was the better pick for the Pats.  Really like the Hightower pick, think this core of linebackers will compliment eachother extremely well by the end of the season.  
    Posted by passfirst[/QUOTE]

    thanks passfirst, and for the post.


    peace
     
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    Not even close--Hightower for sure. He will be a beast by year 3 and produce his rookie year-can play ALL over the place and is tenacious like a Ray Lewis type. Upshaw on the other hand is a one trick pony-----rush the passer on long downs. He is too small for DE in the NFL and will be used to get after the QB from the outside and inside on stunts. Just my opinion. I could also see him being a bust like Gholsten. If he can't cover on passing downs he better become a sack specialist or he will be sitting as a backup on someone elses team in 3 years!
     
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    I'll tell you what, I've watched a lot of Hightower's stuff on youtube and although he doesn't look very fast - he looks fluid and controlled in his movements and man does he know where the ball is. This kid looks like he will make our front seven a more physical and diverse unit, and when you add in the size of Chandler Jones...we got bigger, better and more talented. It'll take some time for these two (especially Jones), but maybe by December these two will be regulars.
     
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    great thread.  I think hightower will be the better player for us to have chosen.  He allows BB to disguise coverages and move hightower/mayo around the field making it harder for opposing QB's to tell where the rush is coming from.  he can rush, he can cover, and boy can he tackle.

    Upshaw seems more of a one trick pony, and just rushes the passer. He will fit in well in that role in baltimore and will probably have a good career as well.  i just feel that hightower is the better player, and apparently belichick agrees with me.
     

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