Re: Who's on your ignore list?
posted at 12/22/2011 6:02 PM EST
In Response to Re: Who's on your ignore list?
[QUOTE]Chris I agree, some people scam, but many, at least the ones I know, spend there money in ways that supports the system and helps others. "The Rich" go out to eat, which supports those in the restaurant business, they stay at Hotels which supports hospitality workers, they buy cars, shop, buy homes etc all of which helps others. I also find that most of thse that do well work long hours and have paid their dues in terms of lost family and personal time. What i find surprising is the new trend to say, "hey you did well' give me what you earned our I will call you a greedy soandso. Most of the better off that I know give of their time and money to charities. Good example was Danny Thomas, well of actor could of sat back. instead he started St Jude, which turns away no child for their ability to pay. I could tell you thousands of these stories. The funny part and not all, but as a percentage more than 60% of all charitable giving comes from the conservative folks. Go figure. Not trying to make a point just bust a myth
Posted by gmbill[/QUOTE]
I am going to bust that myth back at you.
First, I know about this.
To summarize, Kristof (the guy who authored the original report) defines church donations as "charitable donation" because conservatives put it on their income taxes that way. In the eyes of the IRS, that is factual. But in the real world, the majority of church donations are for the upkeep of the church building maintenance. And administrative expense. After that, there may be some left for actual charity work. But clearly, very little goes to charity. I know that is the way it was at the churches I attended. My gramps was a deacon and involved in the money.
I think we can all agree that conservatives are much more likely to attend church than liberals on a regular basis, if liberals even attend at all. And liberals tend not to go at all. I was a "born again" when I was 7-8 years old. But I haven't been to a church service, even as a token gesture - for over 30 years. Typical, right?
Take away the church donation and liberals give more than conservatives, according to Kristof. Not only that, but subsequent critical reports in response to this NY Times report found that conservatives make more money than liberals (approximately $5000/yr. more), so they proportionately give much less than liberals after you remove donations to the church.
I can understand it is easy to get mislead. I got my degree at UF in reporting and I purposely chose not to go into the field,. even though I was considered among the elite reporting students by my professors. It was clear to me - from reading a lot of papers daily and from scanning wires - that the news biz was rigged to promote conservative values, especially the mantra that all big business is all good. And that is because the conservative elite bought up the media companies in the '70s, '80s and '90s, in reaction to Watergate and the Pentagon Papers. They were determined to control the news hole and now they do, with very few exceptions. Fox, Newscorp, Gannette, CNN, Reuters, Clear Channel, Belo, AP, Time, ABC, etc., etc. - even CBS (and NPR, which is controlled via their sponsorships - when the last time you ever heard a well-deserved, hard-hitting expose' against ADM on NPR?). NBC is the last liberal bastion in broadcasting. Just forget about the paper industry.
So you get spin upon spin upon spin on reports like this one. I wanted no part of it.