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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who's on your ignore list? : Chris Fun part of posting here is we are speaking to people we do not know and who do not know us. Don't know your cousin, sure he is a good guy, I might think an academic who hid out doing research on grant money provided by my taxes vs getting a real job and competing for a living is going to find that when the tables turn bad he is screwed. But as I said I do not know your cousin. I have made and lost my career on three occasions, had it all and lost it all twice. Once in Dot.com world and recently in property on the gulf coast. Sold every thing and what I did not sell was taken away, moved in with friends till I got back on track. So I understand life, I have done poor three times in my life and each time fought back. I know what works, I have done it over and over and succeeded, I also know I am bless and the Lord is where my life begins and ends. I wish your cousin well. The cycles of business and life have been going on for a lot longer that you and me and will continue. Not worrying about getting caught by the snowball, been there, melted the snow, sold the water and created income. I enjoy your posts on here been reading for a long time, post occasionally, listening to 66 got to me so I commented. All the best
    Posted by gmbill[/QUOTE]

    I appreciate the candor about your failure and success cycles.

    I consider what my cousin does a real job.  Much of the wealth in this counrty was/is created by research on college campuses and at government labs.  Velcro.  The internet.  The silicon chip.  Gatorade.  Mylar.  Carbon fiber. Viagra. You could fill this page hundreds of times over with product names that were created in labs like the one my cousin runs.  I would call that real work and real value to the economy.  That he paid his way through college waiting tables at night accentutates his work ethic. 

    Take away the funding and what will we lose?  More importantly, what nation will gain?  The reduction in gov't (and private) research funding has been declining for years.  But now it is about to just stop. Right now, India and China are kicking are @$$e$ because they are investing much more money into research.  They are leaving us in the dust. We will all fare worse so that a relatively small class of people can buy yet another status symbol luxury car or boat with their continued, enhanced tax refunds. 

    I am not against success.  But I am not willing to pay more money to make rich people richer and more successful while keeping me down.  As Warren Buffet famously said, he paid a (much) lower tax rate than did his secretary.  I have seen this in practice in tax returns.  Something is very wrong about that.

     
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    How does he have a sheltered life if he got there working hard? I work real hard. I guess I have one too. Theres a lot of work in my industry, one of the reasons I picked it. If I'm reading Bill right he is a small business owner. He will be the first to be hit cause his business will make over 150K. You hit those businesses like that hard they will only have a work force that helps them make 149K a year. Its the businesses that size that when flourishing, make the economy good.
     
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    I agree, some people scam, but many, at least the ones I know, spend there money in ways that supports the system and helps others. "The Rich" go out to eat, which supports those in the restaurant business, they stay at Hotels which supports hospitality workers, they buy cars, shop, buy homes etc all of which helps others.

    I also find that most of thse that do well work long hours and have paid their dues in terms of lost family and personal time.

    What i find surprising is the new trend to say, "hey you did well' give me what you earned our I will call you a greedy soandso.

    Most of the better off that I know give of their time and money to charities. Good example was Danny Thomas, well of actor could of sat back. instead he started St Jude, which turns away no child for their ability to pay.

    I could tell you thousands of these stories. The funny part and not all, but as a percentage more than 60% of all charitable giving comes from the conservative folks. Go figure. Not trying to make a point just bust a myth
     
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    Then I have a lot more to worry about then an interview. But the chances of getting in a 20 car pile up are the same as winning the lotto or getting hit by lighting. Does that mean I'm lucky I didn't get hit by lighting whenever there's a thunder storm?
     
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    actually Warren Buffet hasn't paid his taxes recently. I personally thing a flat tax would help unconfuse the tax code.
     
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    [QUOTE]How does he have a sheltered life if he got there working hard? I work real hard. I guess I have one too. Theres a lot of work in my industry, one of the reasons I picked it. If I'm reading Bill right he is a small business owner. He will be the first to be hit cause his business will make over 150K. You hit those businesses like that hard they will only have a work force that helps them make 149K a year. Its the businesses that size that when flourishing, make the economy good.
    Posted by Philskiw1[/QUOTE]

    I agree that promoting small businesses is key.  A lot of them are on the ropes.

    I have been trying to cash two checks from a small biz for the past 8 days. One is $100, the other $300.  A car dealership w/o even $100 in the bank!  My product will make them tens of thousands per year, but they can't scrape together the full $1300 they need to get it, and I don't get paid, either.  It isn't high taxes that is hurting him.  The people in his neighborhood no longer have disposable income by which to buy his cars.  So he can't buy my product that would make him money.  And I can't buy a new car.  But some rich guy is getting another extension of the Bush tax cuts and will be able to by a third Lexus for his wife (she has the sedan, the SUV, and now the trendy new hybrid sport hatch to complete the set), and one for 16-year-old kid in driver's ed.   Does that make sense?

    But small businesses getting hit first?  Where did you get that?  You've been lied to.  Even the 

    The DEM proposals have been to tax the upper 1%.  If a 1099, s-corp, small c-corp or partnership owner is in the top 1%, that puts him over $240K net income.   I am not exactly crying.  I am more worried about the guy with the liquor store that is taking a big risk (besides the risk of being shot, I mean) but only netting $75K.  Or the pizza place owner making $50K.  If there is more disposable money because their is fairer taxation, these guys will pick up more customers who will spend more money.  Hopefully, they end up in the top 1% within a few years and the system self-sustains.  Are nation was always better and richer when taxes were higher on the high earners and there was a lesser gap between the richest and the median wage earners. 

    The non-partisan GAO has already done all the calculations and that back what I have stated.  "Trickle-down" does not trickle down.  Even it's architect eventually admitted that. 

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who's on your ignore list? : I was just pointing out the absurdity of the position that luck is not an important factor in success to go along with hard work and intelligence.  There are 5 unemployed people for every job opening and many of these unemployed were perfectly productive workers at their previous jobs.  No matter how much they try and stand out most of them will not get jobs in the current environment.  Your post assumes all of these people are sitting on their @ss waiting for something to come their way.  If that is your view of the unemployed it would explain a lot, but I don't think it is accurate.
    Posted by pcmIV[/QUOTE]

    If there are 5 people going for an interview how do you think they picked that one person for a job? I can tell you right now they don't draw straws or have a lotto (unless it's the T). It's typically the person that stood out to them for one reason or another.

    My post doesn't assume all are lazy and waiting for something to happen. They are obviously looking for jobs, but how many of them do yo think go back to school or take low level jobs to gain additional skills? How many do you think go the extra effort before, during, and after the interview? How many do you think did something special at their last place to make such an impact other companies feel it's an asset? Just putting your resume in and going for the interview isn't enough. Even now a days doing the basics like sending thank you emails aren't enough. I've interviewed 50 people to work under me and I can tell you 49 of them all interviewed the same. 1 Person I could tell did a lot of homework on the company before the interview, they had come prepared to ask questions that showed interested in the job and knowledge of the company. They didn't try to BS me and wrote down any question they didn't know the answer to. In the thank you e-mail they answered every question they didn't know at the time and ask a couple more interesting questions about the wok that I had to honestly think about. They actually not only sent an e-mail but also a thank you letter through the mail. Then they followed up a week after with another e-mail just asking if I had any follow up questions and they kept me informed of other interviews they had. They also provided additional references which all gave glowing reviews about how she would go above and beyond her job title. They also mentioned how she took ever chance she could to take advantage of the company learning program they offered. That made her stand out and made me hire her. That's what I'm talking about. There's a big difference between being lazy, doing the bare minimum, putting effort into it, and making yourself stand out in the crowd. Those that stand out and put the extra effort in that most don't usually get the jobs.

    Try it sometime. Do some homework about the company before applying or interviewing. Revise your resume for where you want to interview (don't ever use a generic resume). Make sure you know what position you are interviewing for and become an expert in it before the interview. When on the interview don't just answer questions become aggressive and ask questions back relative to the job or company. Write down everything and be interested. Do not write generic thank you e-mails, custom write each one for each separate interviewer esp noting what you talked about and how you can fit in their team. Ask follow up questions so they keep you in mind. Follow up your thank you e-mail after a week or so with an additional e-mail giving additional references and driving your interest. Sending an actual letter through the mail is unique and makes you stand up. Make sure whatever job your in take advantage of everything they offer to improve yourself and go the extra mile everyday. You never know when you might need it. Make good impression on everyone so they know your body of work and they keep you in mind. You never know when it pays off.

    That's working hard and going the extra mile. That's what gets you the job in the end.
     
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    [QUOTE]Chris I agree, some people scam, but many, at least the ones I know, spend there money in ways that supports the system and helps others. "The Rich" go out to eat, which supports those in the restaurant business, they stay at Hotels which supports hospitality workers, they buy cars, shop, buy homes etc all of which helps others. I also find that most of thse that do well work long hours and have paid their dues in terms of lost family and personal time. What i find surprising is the new trend to say, "hey you did well' give me what you earned our I will call you a greedy soandso. Most of the better off that I know give of their time and money to charities. Good example was Danny Thomas, well of actor could of sat back. instead he started St Jude, which turns away no child for their ability to pay. I could tell you thousands of these stories. The funny part and not all, but as a percentage more than 60% of all charitable giving comes from the conservative folks. Go figure. Not trying to make a point just bust a myth
    Posted by gmbill[/QUOTE]

    I am going to bust that myth back at you.

    First, I know about this.  

    Second, here is a link at Science 2.0 that debunks that myth, using the original author's own admission: ihttp://www.science20.com/adaptive_complexity/blog/whos_more_charitable_liberals_or_conservativesence 

    To summarize, Kristof (the guy who authored the original report) defines church donations as "charitable donation" because conservatives put it on their income taxes that way.  In  the eyes of the IRS, that is factual.  But in the real world, the majority of church donations are for the upkeep of the church building maintenance.  And administrative expense.  After that, there may be some left for actual charity work.  But clearly, very little goes to charity.  I know that is the way it was at the churches I attended.  My gramps was a deacon and involved in the money.

    I think we can all agree that conservatives are much more likely to attend church than liberals on a regular basis, if liberals even attend at all.  And liberals tend not to go at all.  I was a "born again" when I was 7-8 years old.  But I haven't been to a church service, even as a token gesture - for over 30 years.  Typical, right?

    Take away the church donation and liberals give more than conservatives, according to Kristof.  Not only that, but subsequent critical reports in response to this NY Times report found that conservatives make more money than liberals (approximately $5000/yr. more), so they proportionately give much less than liberals after you remove donations to the church. 

    Myth busted.

    I can understand it is easy to get mislead.  I got my degree at UF in reporting and I purposely chose not to go into the field,. even though I was considered among the elite reporting students by my professors.  It was clear to me - from reading a lot of papers daily and from scanning wires - that the news biz was rigged to promote conservative values, especially the mantra that all big business is all good. And that is because the conservative elite bought up the media companies in the '70s, '80s and '90s, in reaction to Watergate and the Pentagon Papers. They were determined to control the news hole and now they do, with very few exceptions. Fox, Newscorp, Gannette, CNN, Reuters, Clear Channel, Belo, AP, Time, ABC, etc., etc. - even CBS (and NPR, which is controlled via their sponsorships - when the last time you ever heard a well-deserved, hard-hitting expose' against ADM on NPR?).  NBC is the last liberal bastion in broadcasting.  Just forget about the paper industry.

    So you get spin upon spin upon spin on reports like this one. I wanted no part of it.

     
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    Well Doctor I DO DARE to say I earned it, and quite frankly whether or not you agree doesn't concern me in the least.  People like you, with massive chips on their shoulders believe what they want to believe.  Most people on this board, given their posts, believe you're just another one of those folks that takes the easies of roads - blame everyone but yourself for your choices.  Poor, poor Patsfan, life dealt him a bad hand, and he can't muster the gumption to overcome it.  That about some it up doesn't it?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who's on your ignore list? : I would like to think you are 100% right.  But I was a star salesman at a number of places.  Top 3% overall out of 137 at one place, including #1 in one prestigious category and #2 in other.  Also dominated in smaller companies, repeatedly the top guy. I won a lot of contests, honesty, and made people a lot of money.   Always - I mean ALWAYS - I got shafted, especially by bigger operations.  Lied, cheated, reneged...anything they think they could get away with.  So I would try another place and it would happen all over again.  And not just to me. My brother was a national top-3 Phizer rep.  They repeatedly took away the territories he developed, destroying his hard work and residual income streams, putting him back at square one, while they passed his accounts to other reps.  He finally had no choice but to quit.  Lather - rinse - repeat.   To make it worse, in sales it can take months before you start making money after a move - you invest by learning the product and a new sales approach, going through tech training, building a pipeline - and companies know this.  So they gamble on how long you will tolerate being shafted before you give up three months pay in a move. Believe me, loyalty by sales employers is gone, even toward their best money makers.  It goes back to the pervasive corporate shortsightedness I discuss in my previous post.
    Posted by chrisakawoody[/QUOTE]

    Sorry to hear that Chris. There are always exception and sales is usually one of them. I've had friends in sales who have similar stories. It's funny that the moment they went into marketing into engineering firms (I'll admit they got an interview because I recommended them, however getting an interview doesn't guaranty a job. They earn that through their merits) everything changed for them. Sales is a good old boys job where it's who you know more then what you can do.

    Thankfully I work in the sciences where merit is more important then who you know most of the time. But, there is no black and white here. There is grey, however imo merit, hard work, and being flexible (and no I don't mean physically though don't think it could hurt) pays of more times then not
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who's on your ignore list? : I was supposed to have an interview once in Boston with a guy from a government lab.  It was at the American Chemical Society national meeting.  My wife and I were living in Maine and I couldn't afford to stay at a hotel in Boston, so I drove the 90 miles each morning and drove home at night.  My interview was scheduled for Wednersday, but after two days of commuting back and forth to Boston, I became very ill. So, I didn't go to my interview on Wednesday.  I contacted the guy to apologize (I even sent him a letter), but I never heard from him again.  He didn't reschedule my interview, needless to say.  So, due to my bad luck, I got sick and missed the interview.  Who is to say where I would be today if I had not gotten sick. That is what I mean by luck.
    Posted by Patsfansince1966[/QUOTE]

    Note to self:  cry Patsfansince1966 a river!  I appreciate your tale of woe, but being a doctor did it not occur to you that maybe, the expenses of traveling 180 miles a day may be more than staying in a hotel.  You missed an interview, and I assumed others did not.  So it's their fault they were there on time, probably had skills that were equal or better than yours, and perhaps one of them got hired?  Again, make all the excuses in the world, that's what folks of your ilk are good at.  Say Doctor, how useful are your "excuse" skills in serving you now?  Because you sure seem to be trying to make hay with them.  Having any luck?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who's on your ignore list? : Note to self:  cry Patsfansince1966 a river!  I appreciate your tale of woe, but being a doctor did it not occur to you that maybe, the expenses of traveling 180 miles a day may be more than staying in a hotel.  You missed an interview, and I assumed others did not.  So it's their fault they were there on time, probably had skills that were equal or better than yours, and perhaps one of them got hired?  Again, make all the excuses in the world, that's what folks of your ilk are good at.  Say Doctor, how useful are your "excuse" skills in serving you now?  Because you sure seem to be trying to make hay with them.  Having any luck?
    Posted by gr82bme[/QUOTE]

    I have to admit, I laughed out loud at the first few words I read of your post. Hey, we disagree, but we are all human, and hopefully, all have a sense of humor. 

    I think we have all beat his topic to death.

    What do y'all say (as they say in Gainesville) that we 

    let this thread fade?  We are all just preaching to our 

    respective choirs.

    We have a big game against a resurgent Miami to 

    discuss.  

    Plus play-offs. 


    "Play-offs?!!!"

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who's on your ignore list? : How much was gas vs. the price of a hotel in Boston in 1990?  I had a car that got 50+ miles per gallon.  So that's what $4 for gas per day vs. over $100 in a hotel per night? My point is that my bad luck caused me to miss an interview and possibly a job. No wonder I think you're stupid.
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    Wow, 50+ MPG in 1990?  $4 per gallon of gas in 1990?  What were you driving, a motor scooter?  I do seem to recall that at that time motor scooters were the preference of driving choices amongst the academia.  Where were you buying gas in 1990 - the Netherlands?  Stupid - me?  Well okay, but I've never missed a job interview so I guess I may be a tad more intelligent than you.  Oh right, I forgot, you had bad luck - my bad :(.  So riddle me this good Doctor - you had "bad luck" in 1990, nearly 25 years ago, and still haven't gotten over it?  What the heck kind of Doctor are you?  Surely a smart guy like you wouldn't wallow in self-pity for nearly a quarter centry without seeking professional help.  Woud you?  I think we're making progress Doc - seek professional help - and all that ails you can be remedied.  That's it - take a cleansing breath, hug yourself, and go see the nice man in the white coat - he's got the cure in the form of a jagged little pill.  That's right Skippy, take the pill like a good boy.  There, there.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who's on your ignore list? : If there are 5 people going for an interview how do you think they picked that one person for a job? I can tell you right now they don't draw straws or have a lotto (unless it's the T). It's typically the person that stood out to them for one reason or another. My post doesn't assume all are lazy and waiting for something to happen. They are obviously looking for jobs, but how many of them do yo think go back to school or take low level jobs to gain additional skills? How many do you think go the extra effort before, during, and after the interview? How many do you think did something special at their last place to make such an impact other companies feel it's an asset? Just putting your resume in and going for the interview isn't enough. Even now a days doing the basics like sending thank you emails aren't enough. I've interviewed 50 people to work under me and I can tell you 49 of them all interviewed the same. 1 Person I could tell did a lot of homework on the company before the interview, they had come prepared to ask questions that showed interested in the job and knowledge of the company. They didn't try to BS me and wrote down any question they didn't know the answer to. In the thank you e-mail they answered every question they didn't know at the time and ask a couple more interesting questions about the wok that I had to honestly think about. They actually not only sent an e-mail but also a thank you letter through the mail. Then they followed up a week after with another e-mail just asking if I had any follow up questions and they kept me informed of other interviews they had. They also provided additional references which all gave glowing reviews about how she would go above and beyond her job title. They also mentioned how she took ever chance she could to take advantage of the company learning program they offered. That made her stand out and made me hire her. That's what I'm talking about. There's a big difference between being lazy, doing the bare minimum, putting effort into it, and making yourself stand out in the crowd. Those that stand out and put the extra effort in that most don't usually get the jobs. Try it sometime. Do some homework about the company before applying or interviewing. Revise your resume for where you want to interview (don't ever use a generic resume). Make sure you know what position you are interviewing for and become an expert in it before the interview. When on the interview don't just answer questions become aggressive and ask questions back relative to the job or company. Write down everything and be interested. Do not write generic thank you e-mails, custom write each one for each separate interviewer esp noting what you talked about and how you can fit in their team. Ask follow up questions so they keep you in mind. Follow up your thank you e-mail after a week or so with an additional e-mail giving additional references and driving your interest. Sending an actual letter through the mail is unique and makes you stand up. Make sure whatever job your in take advantage of everything they offer to improve yourself and go the extra mile everyday. You never know when you might need it. Make good impression on everyone so they know your body of work and they keep you in mind. You never know when it pays off. That's working hard and going the extra mile. That's what gets you the job in the end.
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    Doing all of those things does not defeat basic math.  There are more unemployed people than job openings by a large margin.  Even if every single person did what you are talking about they would mostly still be unemployed.  Nothing you say about putting your best effort in and going the extra mile can change that. 

    I am employed so you don't need to talk down to me like I don't know how the job market works.  I did all the right things and I have a job.  I know that being reasonably intelligent and being a hard worker helped get me that job.  At the same time I also accept that I am fortunate to have a job as there are many other people (some that I know personally) who also did/are doing all the right things and there just aren't jobs to be had.  Being intelligent, hard working, deserving AND lucky are not mutually exclusive.  Just as being unemployed, intelligent and hard working are not either.

    Are there people who could be doing more?  Probably, but it annoys me when people immediately respond to the plight of ALL the unemployed with some argument about how if only they did XYZ better they would be employed.  That is a fallacy.  The unemployment rate is as high as it is because there aren't enough jobs.  Not because the unemployed suddenly forgot how to interview or work hard.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who's on your ignore list? : The problem is, which you're too stupid to realize, that I did what people like     yourself told me I should do when I was  younger. Why are you so against making the system more fair for EVERYONE?
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    Okay doctor, I'll type really slow so you can understand.  I'm not against making the system more fair for everyone.  I am against people expecting a guaranteed outcome vice a guaranteed opportunity.  Got it?  Okay - now we're making progress.  Fact is, people "like me" don't owe people "like you" anything but a fair shot - you had one, missed the interview due to illness - and missed out.  I'm reasonably sure that someone who wasn't sick got the job because he or she had the audicity to actually show up!  Man, the gall of some people.  So, are you saying they SHOULDN'T have gotten the job because you were sick?  Wouldn't that be unfair to them?  After all, they were prepared were they not?  I'm expecting a really interesting answer from you Doc - please don't let me down.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who's on your ignore list? : If this was actually true then why are people still flocking to the cities from the countryside.  Maybe because it isn't true.  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/7350677/Chinas-wealth-gap-the-widest-since-economic-reforms-began.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13945072
    Posted by pcmIV[/QUOTE]

    From your article:

    The average annual income in China's cities stood at 17,175 yuan (£1,685) last year, more than three times the average income of 5,153 yuan in the countryside, according to the National Bureau of Statistics.

    And here's a US statistic for you:

    The United States is highest at 475 to 1.  The
    most recent chart from the Economic Policy Institute shows a ratio of 185 to 1 for 2009. According to the group’s calculations, the peak since the mid 1960s was almost 299 to 1. But it was never as high as high as 475 to 1.
    Meanwhile, the
    most recent ratio from the Institute for Policy Studies is also smaller -- for 2010, it was 325 to 1. In previous years the ratio on two occasions has exceeded 475 to 1 -- to be specific, 516 to 1 in 1999 and 525 to 1 in 2000.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/oct/10/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-ceo-worker-pay-ratio-has-obscu/

    First my challenge:  If ya don't but "buy" the specific source of these findings, just go ahead and google something like "CEO to worker pay ratio in The United States."  I just took the first 1 on the list, so go 'head & offer me the one that best fits your argument, the most conservative one imaginable...happy hunting. By EVERY stat I've ever seen, The ratio of CEO to Worker (meaning: Someone who IS working) pay, was a 35:1 in 1978...and now it's 275:1 by the most extremely (here's your word) "conservative" estimates.


    Next:  I KNOW that we're discussing U.S. CEO to U.S. Worker pay ratio, while you've offered me a China estimate of "Rural Worker" to "City Worker" ratio...  But it doesn't change the simple fact here which I argued previously:  In China, the wage differences between employed citizens are NO-where, and Not-even-CLOSE to as grossly unbalanced as they are here.  Sorry.  And simply because now China's "Un-Balance" of city to rural workers is eeking out a miniscule seperation span at a tiny rate compared to their past estimates...?!?  This does NOT even remotely compare to the absurdity of the wealth divide currently in 2011 America.    
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who's on your ignore list? : I have to admit, I laughed out loud at the first few words I read of your post. Hey, we disagree, but we are all human, and hopefully, all have a sense of humor.  I think we have all beat his topic to death . What do y'all say (as they say in Gainesville) that we  let this thread fade?  We are all just preaching to our  respective choirs. We have a big game against a resurgent  Miami to  discuss.   Plus play-offs.  "Play-offs?!!!"
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    No problems with those that disagree with me Chris, I only have problems with folks telling me I had opportunities that they didn't, but yeah, you're right on with the preaching/choir sentiment.  Can't wait for the playoffs, but I'm a little nervous about Miami - thinking they'll be pulling out all the stops and our D hasn't exactly impressed me.  Hopefully, they can hold them just enough for TB, Gronk, Welker and friends of offense to put up a bunch of points.
     

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