Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

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    Re: Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

    arodrambone, very good analysis.  I am with you on this one.  When comparing Barwin and English, in terms of their fit specifically for the Patriots, I'd take Barwin, and I really don't think its close.

    Are there things that English is more advanced at than Barwin at this point? Definitely. And he may be more ready to make an impact on defense from the first game of the season, although I think Barwin will catch up quickly.  Barwin also can contribute on offense on the goal line, and many people don't mention how much BB values special teams.  Barwin is a beast in that area.  3 blocked kicks in one year is ridiculous.

    Long term, I think Barwin's body type and athleticism is a better fit for 3-4 OLB than English.  His ability to play in space is far superior, and he has more upside as a rusher.

    I think Larry English will be a terrific 4-3 end, and maybe even a good 3-4 linebacker.  Barwin however, fits the 3-4 mold perfectly, in my opinion, and can contribute in all areas of the game while he learns the defense.  I think he could be a full time player by the middle to end of his rookie year.
     
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    Re: Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

    As everyone is suggesting, if we take both English and Barwin (it doesn't matter who is taken at 23 and who is taken at 34), that is two OLBs and we already have crable from last year and they signed Banta Cain this year and Rudd or Redd is also OLB. How can we have so many spots for OLB? I would love to take a ILB and OLB and RB or TE if we don't have any DL or OL are not available.
    Posted by Bradythebest

    All those OLBs do not make me feel good about the OLB situation, Bata Cain has now failed or not played to his ability for two teams.  I don't think he'll be more that a back up, I love Crable and hope he can develop into a very good OLB.  Rudd will have a hell of a time to make the team, I don't think he'll be there in September.  We need a impact player and someone that can take over for snaps for AT.  I agree that if at 23 one of the big Ts fall we take the T and pickup one of the OLB at 34.  At ILB I really like Laurinaitis over RM, I might be crazy but I see JL as a three down LB and RM as a two.  But I would see ILB been taken in the 3rd round, I really like Jasper Brinkley or Scott McKillop at 87.
    A guy to keep an eye on is TE Bear Pascoe, he should be there in the 5th and would be a good pickup.  He was a QB converted to TE, not a speed guy but has good hands and will go fight for the ball.  Won't stretch the field but that's what the WRs are used for.
     
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    Re: Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

    Here's the wait I'll look at the two and my choice to prefer Barwin.  Who has the ability to contribute more to the team in 2009, I think Barwin will base on his versatility.  Which of the two can rush the passer, they both can English had 8 sacks against Barwin's 11.  Neither played against real strong competition English in the MAC Barwin in the Big East but I tend to believe BE has slightly better competition than the MAC.
    Barwin has better combine #s although I won't put too much into those.  Neither has really played OLB and English has the more experience on the D. 
    Neither has the experience in coverage but I tend to believe based on his physical abilities and athleticism Barwin can learn and be a more productive cover OLB than English.  I'm not in the draft room with BB that day but I would suggest Barwin at 23, hope English is there at 34.  With all the been said most mocks have the Pats picking Clay Matthews so who the hell knows. 
     
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    zbellino, I really do enjoy your in-depth posts, keep them coming! Smile
    Back to the subject of the discussion, instead of Barwin, I would love to see Everette Brown at #23. That guy is a pure playmaker, tremendous first step and great spin moves. He might be a tad too short for a 3-4 OLB (pb VS the run?)... Reminds me of Dwight Freeney.
     
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    Re: Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

    This is why there needs to be a restructuring of what Draftees get paid.  I feel C.B. is the poster boy for today's over hyped player.

    He tested very well (combine numbers).  Yet he has limited experience at a position where he played against questionable talent.
     
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    Re: Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

    There's NO player at 23 unless one of the big name guys fall to 23 that will be able to start this year.  All guys on the board will be coming in some reps but there's no starter there.  That is the problem with this draft anything after 20 are players that need to get a year or two under their belt before they can become starters.  It is also why the Pats are in such a good place because from 20 to end of second round the talent is very close.  A team will pick between players with similar abilities based more on the interviews.  Barwin is more athletic that any other hybrid on the board at 23, if you know any guy you pick here will need a season or two to become a starter why not pick the guy with the biggest upside and one that will help you D, O, and ST as a rookie?
    Posted by Pats7393


    There are several CBs that would be able to contribute right off the bat both on defense and on specail teams.  Brandon Pettigrew would be able to contribute some I would think.  Those are some just off the top of my head.  Probably English as well.
     
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    Re: Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

    I'll pass.
     
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    Re: Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

    If were talking the bottom for Pettigrew. Then blocking TE/STplayer could be all he becomes. I think this is not the case but maybe.

    40 yard times Pettigrew 4.83 and 08' stats REC 42/ YDS 472/TD 0. With a ranking of what most say is 1st rd.

    as opposed to
    ECU's Davon Drew 4.82 /40 time and 08' stats REC 43/ YDS 695/TD 3.
    Who knows where he goes but he not anywhere around the top. As in Casey, Nelson,Cook,Morrah
    Drew's Analysis

    Positives: Good height with long arms, strong biceps and adequate lower body build. Versatile enough to be used outside, in the slot, in motion and on the line. Reliable hands and will catch the ball outside his frame. Good release off the line, and can use hands to shake off linebackers and get into his route. Will set up out routes well, using his long arms to get separation. Quick enough to threaten the seam and open up underneath routes. Fights off arm tackles and gain additional yardage after the catch. Former quarterback who knows when to sit down in zones and works to make himself available. Very willing run and pass blocker, giving good effort.

    I think BB is going for Bear Pascoe for run blockin TE.

     
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    Re: Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

    I think a first round pick for Barwin is too high. But you have to keep the possibility that the Pats could go for this guy. You know Bill loves players who can play different positions.

     
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    Re: Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

    There are several CBs that would be able to contribute right off the bat both on defense and on specail teams.  Brandon Pettigrew would be able to contribute some I would think.  Those are some just off the top of my head.  Probably English as well.
    Posted by garytx


    Even though I do agree we might need to bring a CB in (even though I think the two that were drafted last year will develop) the more urgent need is pass rush.  Players do not come in and contribute their first year as a starter.  Lets face it we've had really good luck with RS, VW, JBEG (lol) and JM but at 23 in this year's draft I don't think there's that type of guy unless someone falls out of the top 15.  There are players that can contribute on certain downs and on special teams.


    That's why I'm so high on Barwin, if you are drafting two guys which has the biggest upside and can do the most right out of the gate.  IMO is Barwin.

     
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    Re: Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

         I wouldn't want the Pats to draft Pettigrew at #23 for the reasons given in my previous post. But, with Ben Watson becoming an UFA next season, and the failure of David Thomas to live up to expectations, its' a good idea for the Pats to draft a TE with one of their other picks.       Of the remaining TEs, the guy I like is Shawn Nelson. At 6'5", 252 lbs., he'd be a great target for Tom Brady, particularly in the redzone. From what I've read, Nelson ran a 4.58 40, has good hands, and has shown a willingness to block...though he needs work in that area.      Jared Cook is also a tall, speedy TE. But, he reportedly doesn't like to get his hands dirty when called upon to block.   
    Posted by TexasPat3

    I agree with you, a TE is probably 4th on the "to get" list but there are some good ones  in the second, third even fourth round these are the two you mention (I would pick either over Pettigrew, this guy has not gotten millions yet and he already thinks he's above the law. Anyone else thinks he will fall to late 2nd or even 3rd? I do)
    Jared Cook - South Carolina (HT: 6'5" | WT: 242)
    Projection: 2nd Round

    Strengths:
    -just a physical freak, great measurables, ran a 4.50-40 at the combine with a 41" vertical jump
    -looks natural catching the football, has very reliable hands
    -can stretch the defense up the seam
    -is too fast for linebackers and too big for corners
    -has proven he can add weight and strength without losing any speed or explosiveness
    -has the size and frame to be a decent in-line blocker

    Weaknesses:
    -has not had a very consistent career, probably in part to South Carolina's revolving door at quarterback
    -was benched by Spurrier vs. Clemson in 2008 for lack of effort
    -subpar vision, does not utilize running lanes, just follows the play by design
    Shawn Nelson - Southern Miss. (HT: 6'5" | WT: 240)
    Projection: 2nd-3rd Round

    Strengths:
    -above average speed given his frame, also has the body to add more bulk
    -big target, natural pass catcher, can adjust to badly thrown balls
    -uses his speed to stretch the field and gets good overall separation from defenders, his 4.56-40 time at the combine is the second fastest among TEs
    -reliable blocker, good technique, especially in space, really improved in this aspect during his senior season
    -has been consistently productive all four years in college
    -a good runner after the catch, not afraid to make big plays over the middle

    Weaknesses:
    -needs to show better awareness and ability to get open against a zone coverage
    -could get stronger in the upper body to get a better push on defenders when blocking
    -injuries are a minor concern, though he played through one his junior season
    -route running is only average
    -had the potential to really move up the draft boards with a better season and it didn't happen

     
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    Re: Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

    Last year was an enjoyable pre-draft season.


     
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    Re: Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

    I want a defensive draft, our offense is fine.
     
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    Re: Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

    connor sounds like a BB kind of guy.
     
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    Re: Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

    Last season we were lamenting Brandon Spikes' staying in school.

    I guess I wouldn't mind taking him at 22 this year.

    He's a perfect fit for SILB, is a 3 down player, and has intelligence and experience.

    We could use an eye gouger to help toughen up this defense, and Spikes' bust potential is as low as it gets.

    Good fit for our scheme, tough, versatile, safe choice. Plus he's a leader.

    He could be our Ted Johnson, or even better.






     
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    Re: Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

    If you want to know whether Bill will draft somebody at outside linebacker, you have to look at his shuttle times at the combine.  Regardless of his straightline speed, he would be useless if that's all he has...

    That's no judgment on Conner B because I haven't checked his stats but just as a rule shuttle times are more important than 40 times in regards to football speed.
     
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    Re: Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

    I'm confused, is Connor Barwin a draft prospect this year?  What's going on?
     
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    Re: Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

    Barwin re-declared, lol.

    I think Barwin actually had a really good shuttle time, so that's not too big a factor, wozzy.

     
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    Re: Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

    no someone resurected this thread from last year, don't know why but I'm still behind my post.  I think Barwin would have been big for us in 2009
     
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    Re: Why Connor Barwin is deserving of getting picked 23rd overall

    "I think Barwin would have been big for us in 2009"

    And even better in 2010.
     
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