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I dont consider him a outside WR. Sure he is 6'6, but runs a 4.6 which is good for that height but you combine that with his slight frame and he aint getting off the line. Maybe he isnt a TE either but bottomline he is redundant, if we cant agree on that than we disagree and I would set my aims higher that Nelson....

He's rounded up 6'5" and ran a 4.54 according to his combine numbers so not sure where you are pulling your data from. And how would he be redundant? Aaron Hernandez is 6'1" and ran a 4.7 40 at the combine. They are two completely different players. Nelson is a full .15s faster then Hern, 4" taller, had a better vertical, and a better 3 cone.

Hern WR/TE tweener, Nelson WR there is no redundancy

There is a difference between timed speed and football speed and like I said, I dont wanna change your opinion , we just disagree. I dont think we have a need for him, I dont thnk he is the answer outside and I thnk we should aim higher. If people are talking of cutting lloyd after going for 74/900, what are people expecting from Nelson with cheaper money and coming off an ACL.  I dont care about cone drills and all that unless you are a CB. If he doesnt bulk up , he will struggle to beat man coverage as weve seen already with LLoyd and I dont think Nelson is better than lloyd outside of you "projecting" what he will do here. The redundancy comes in when u have a bunch of mediocre 4.6 guys (Hern, LLoyd, Nelson) and none of them can seperate outside or take the top off. He looks explosive coming out that slot with Linebackers on him...but show me the tape of him dominating outside...

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In response to TripleOG's comment:

I dont consider him a outside WR. Sure he is 6'6, but runs a 4.6 which is good for that height but you combine that with his slight frame and he aint getting off the line. Maybe he isnt a TE either but bottomline he is redundant, if we cant agree on that than we disagree and I would set my aims higher that Nelson....

He's rounded up 6'5" and ran a 4.54 according to his combine numbers so not sure where you are pulling your data from. And how would he be redundant? Aaron Hernandez is 6'1" and ran a 4.7 40 at the combine. They are two completely different players. Nelson is a full .15s faster then Hern, 4" taller, had a better vertical, and a better 3 cone.

Hern WR/TE tweener, Nelson WR there is no redundancy

There is a difference between timed speed and football speed and like I said, I dont wanna change your opinion , we just disagree. I dont think we have a need for him, I dont thnk he is the answer outside and I thnk we should aim higher. If people are talking of cutting lloyd after going for 74/900, what are people expecting from Nelson with cheaper money and coming off an ACL.  I dont care about cone drills and all that unless you are a CB. If he doesnt bulk up , he will struggle to beat man coverage as weve seen already with LLoyd and I dont think Nelson is better than lloyd outside of you "projecting" what he will do here. The redundancy comes in when u have a bunch of mediocre 4.6 guys (Hern, LLoyd, Nelson) and none of them can seperate outside or take the top off. He looks explosive coming out that slot with Linebackers on him...but show me the tape of him dominating outside...

So I just want to be sure of this. You don't think a 6'5" WR with a 38" vertical can gain separation from the average CB in the NFL which comes in ~5'11"  with a vertical of 34"? That 10" difference in maximum reach won't make a difference in gaining separation at all? It's a good thing no one told him in 11' or he never would of had those 68recs

Here are the points that make people interested:

1. BB wanted him as an UDFA

2. He burned the Pats in at least one game (anyone remember that about Welker?) Welker wasn't exactly Welker before he came to NE - he had a little success, but not big numbers.

3. He is tall, has good hands, and has a wide catch radius.

4. He has had decent success playing with a mediocre QB on a bad team. And has done that in a cold weather open stadium.

5. He would be cheap.

I don't think anyone sees him as Moss, or Wallace, or Bowe, and he isn't going to be a great deep threat. He is more in the range of a Lloyd - a #2/3 wide out that will run the right routes and catch the balls thrown in his direction. Think of him as a replacement for Branch in a much younger body with a lot more height and at a smaller cap hit.

Here are the points that make people interested:

1. BB wanted him as an UDFA

2. He burned the Pats in at least one game (anyone remember that about Welker?) Welker wasn't exactly Welker before he came to NE - he had a little success, but not big numbers.

3. He is tall, has good hands, and has a wide catch radius.

4. He has had decent success playing with a mediocre QB on a bad team. And has done that in a cold weather open stadium.

5. He would be cheap.

I don't think anyone sees him as Moss, or Wallace, or Bowe, and he isn't going to be a great deep threat. He is more in the range of a Lloyd - a #2/3 wide out that will run the right routes and catch the balls thrown in his direction. Think of him as a replacement for Branch in a much younger body with a lot more height and at a smaller cap hit.

Btw,

Fair discussion. Unlike some posters, seems like we can refrain from resorting to name calling and just stick with the football!

TripleOG, PatsEng and others, it's been a pleasure discussing.

My mind still hasn't changed on this guy. Every argument on why we should get him still goes back to his size or his combine numbers, not football ability. Ive also read suited better suited in the slot in maybe a Jimmy Graham type role (not saying he's as good as Graham). Looking at the Past roster, that's not what they need unless Welker is let go.

If BB lets go of Lloyd and goes in with Nelson as a starter, then I'll root for the guy to prove me wrong.

Btw,

Fair discussion. Unlike some posters, seems like we can refrain from resorting to name calling and just stick with the football!

TripleOG, PatsEng and others, it's been a pleasure discussing.

My mind still hasn't changed on this guy. Every argument on why we should get him still goes back to his size or his combine numbers, not football ability. Ive also read suited better suited in the slot in maybe a Jimmy Graham type role (not saying he's as good as Graham). Looking at the Past roster, that's not what they need unless Welker is let go.

If BB lets go of Lloyd and goes in with Nelson as a starter, then I'll root for the guy to prove me wrong.

I could live with a WR corps of Wes, Lloyd, Edelman and Nelson. Assuming health and return to "norm" for all I would think Nelson capable of being the #2 or #3 ahead of Lloyd and maybe Edelman. 

Remember the game Nelson had against the Pats in 2011? He also gives the Pats height in the red zone as he is 6'5". I thought he was breaking out in 2011 with 60 catches and 700 yards. 

The question, as with every WR ever signed by the Pats, can he learn the offense, and can Brady get comfortable with him. I assume that's where BB's relationship with Urban Meyer helps. 

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Just wondering why everyone is so in love with this guy?

I'll admit that I haven't seen much tape of him. But he really hasn't accomplished much in this league and is coming off a major injury.

The only thing that I've really seen is that he's big...which I dont think is a good enough reason to sign the guy. I can list a number of big WRs who were bad.

Also, didn't he play in the slot most of the time for the Bills? From what I've read, he's a possession slot receiver. With Hern locked up, maybe Welker soon, I don't think we need another slot guy.

Again, I haven't seen too much of him, so let me know what I'm missing!

I dont get it either. I remember him making some noise a couple years back with Fitzy and to me he is a tweener WR/TE but more leaner and taller than Hernandez but def. not a better player so not sure where we would play him or why we would want him when we have a similar player. A smaller TE that cant block well enough to be an in-line TE 24/7 but not fast or agile enough to be put outside 24/7 either. I just want a real # 1 WR to go with this group so teams cant bog down the middle anymore...

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Here are the points that make people interested:

1. BB wanted him as an UDFA

2. He burned the Pats in at least one game (anyone remember that about Welker?) Welker wasn't exactly Welker before he came to NE - he had a little success, but not big numbers.

3. He is tall, has good hands, and has a wide catch radius.

4. He has had decent success playing with a mediocre QB on a bad team. And has done that in a cold weather open stadium.

5. He would be cheap.

I don't think anyone sees him as Moss, or Wallace, or Bowe, and he isn't going to be a great deep threat. He is more in the range of a Lloyd - a #2/3 wide out that will run the right routes and catch the balls thrown in his direction. Think of him as a replacement for Branch in a much younger body with a lot more height and at a smaller cap hit.

as a peice to the puzzle and 4th WR, Im fine with that, but my point was we have some complimentary peices already but still dont have a # 1. Nelson isnt a 1 or a 2 and we dont know if LLoyd is gonna be cut so Nelson to me is low on the totem pole until we get a # 1 WR , thats all Im saying and I dont think he offers more than Lloyd...maybe something different but I dont know....not impressed that much...but for 1 or 2 milly, sure , bring him in

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Just wondering why everyone is so in love with this guy?

I'll admit that I haven't seen much tape of him. But he really hasn't accomplished much in this league and is coming off a major injury.

The only thing that I've really seen is that he's big...which I dont think is a good enough reason to sign the guy. I can list a number of big WRs who were bad.

Also, didn't he play in the slot most of the time for the Bills? From what I've read, he's a possession slot receiver. With Hern locked up, maybe Welker soon, I don't think we need another slot guy.

Again, I haven't seen too much of him, so let me know what I'm missing!

I dont get it either. I remember him making some noise a couple years back with Fitzy and to me he is a tweener WR/TE but more leaner and taller than Hernandez but def. not a better player so not sure where we would play him or why we would want him when we have a similar player. A smaller TE that cant block well enough to be an in-line TE 24/7 but not fast or agile enough to be put outside 24/7 either. I just want a real # 1 WR to go with this group so teams cant bog down the middle anymore...

' I just want a real # 1 WR to go with this group so teams cant bog down the middle anymore..."

agree with this triple . it's been my refrain

How about Miles Austin?  Has had some injuries but nothing serious. Can attack ALL parts of the field. Is a # 2 in a prolific offense but would be a # 1 here no question. Still has speed to seperate. Is a gamer and makes big plays when u need them. I would  pay for him and I dont thnk he would ask for Bowe, Wallace  type $$

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How about Miles Austin?  Has had some injuries but nothing serious. Can attack ALL parts of the field. Is a # 2 in a prolific offense but would be a # 1 here no question. Still has speed to seperate. Is a gamer and makes big plays when u need them. I would  pay for him and I dont thnk he would ask for Bowe, Wallace  type $$

I believe Miles Austin just re-restructured his contract. I don't think he is available.