Re: Why did Denver persue Welker?
posted at 9/18/2013 5:52 AM EDT
In response to FrankDooley's comment:
In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:
In response to FrankDooley's comment:
Umm, where did I say that the restructure was so they could go after Welker? They weren't implying that either.
They were OVER the cap before Welker hence why they went running to Dumervil. Dude. Dumervil was about to take a 50% cut, at least in 2013, with the (non guaranteed) rest of the deal pushed out into 2014, 2015 and 2016.
Baltimore offered a better up front deal with a bit more money.
You could argue that they swapped out Dumervil for Welker because they signed Welker before they were done with Dumervil's final numbers on the restructure. That is the premise based on the timeline and facts.
The "fax snafu" garbage was a story made up by Denver's FO to deflect from the embarrassment. Keep in mind, they announced he agreed to restructure before the deal was done. Whatever number he had in mind was not close to what Denver had in 2013.
If he wanted to stay, the numbers were close, but the Balt deal was more attractive because it protected him more in 2013 and 2014.
Ironically, Balt wasn't in position to be bidding with their cap hell. They dealt Boldin because they are in that cap hell.
You didn't, but the OP said this, which implies that going after Welker was what caused the loss of Dumerville:
"The chasing of Welker caused Denver to lose Dumerville so with this kid Decker looking pretty stout to me why did they chase Welker? "
I wasn't trying to argue with you, just clarifying that it's wrong to say the Broncos lost Dumerville because of their pursuit of Welker.
I don't think that is wrong, though. I think they had a number in place for 2013 and 2014 as part of the restructure without budgeting for Welkie. Then, Welkie gets 6 million because BB walked, with Balt going back to Dumerville, quite possibly with a worse restructure package.
Why do you think they asked him to restructure? Just because?
They were going over the cap, so they asked him. Again, they were not planning on adding 6 million to their WR budget. That's the key. They couldn't even sweeten the fresh deal after his release (after the supposed forced fax machine story), and they weren't far off from Balt's number, so that should tell you something. They wanted to keep him, but Balt's new package was more attractive than his would be restructure in Denver.
Bottom line is, Denver got distracted with Welkie and then had to go back and run the numbers again for Dumerville.
So, yes, the signing of Welker is quite possibly the reason MIami and Baltimore were able to up his price after he was released.
Otherwise, why didn't he just sign the agreed upon restructure? Why did it take a week if each side announced he would accept the restructure?
The fax snafu thing is a crock.
i think they asked him to restructure because they thought his cap cost was too high and wanted room to pursue additional free agents. Again, this is something they were working on well before Welker came into the picture for them and they would have tried to do even if Welker was unavailable. I don't think there's any evidence they were asking Dumerville to restructure specifically so they could pursue Welker or that they would not have asked Dumerville to restructure if Welker wasn't available. So I think it's inaccurate to say the "chasing" of Welker led to the loss of Dumerville. The "chasing" of cap space may have, but that cap space wasn't being reserved specifically for Welker.
As far as the broader question of why Denver pursued Welker -- I think it's pretty obvious that Welker adds another nice receiving option to a team that is depending a lot on an explosive passing offense. Elway wants quality and depth in his receivers around Manning, and Welker provides both.