Why did ESPN have to shove personal Sam moment down our throats?

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    Re: Why did ESPN have to shove personal Sam moment down our throats?

    So two dudes were kissing, then shoving cake in each others faces on national TV... who fackin cares?  If you have a problem with it, it says more about you than them... they're the secure ones.

     
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    Re: Why did ESPN have to shove personal Sam moment down our throats?

    In response to LazarusintheSanatorium's comment:


    "Claiming there is not something formally different about this particular draft selection in this year is an outright denial of what is "normal.""


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    Fine, whatever.  You convinced me.  I'm not the 1 making the distinction.  Here on out, When gay people are a part of something, It makes that something "different".   ...And here on out, I'm accrediting "Normal" to "straight white people" Events- If a Black woman or Brown-skinned Muslum shows up, I'm viewin' the event as "different", maybe "historically significant" even.  I'll have to be sure to turn my head, and gazeeee intently at the abnormal oddity.  ...Ya know, out of deliberately & overly-curious decent impressiveness at such a landmark.  I'll alter my speech & reactiveness accordingly-  Either hush-edly proud head-nodding thrown their way, or perhaps lambastic catapults of "hoorays-hoorays."  I'll make it a topic of discussion within my smaller circle...deliberately extra loud in decency, quietly softened beit glowingly impressive in undertones, ehh I haven't decided yet.  


     


    Point is, I'll react & Differently And make it a Big Deal & differently...because I care, but in an good way.  You win. 


     


    ...Or just maybe I'll honestly & sincerely & acceptingly Care so much about the full breadth of the utterly & completely non-different...that I've accepted EVERY-thing in equal regards, so much so...that my full inner & outer scope won't miss a single beat.  ...and then I'll just hope that won't be perceived as a "bad thing" (but probably not...'cause I hate neurosises).





    Patently absurd response. So much so that I can't believe you'd even compose it.  


    A black person walking into a room is commonplace.


    But the very first time an openly gay player is hired in a professional sport is exceptional. That is to say, he is the ONLY one right now, and the first in a big 4 sport. That is special, it deserves coverage. 


    A gay person eating lunch isn't exceptional, so don't ooh and aah.


    A Muslim being elected to federal office, for instance, might be. It, you know, kind of makes a story people might be interested in, especially to people who are Muslim, or Gay, or any other non-dominant class who've been denied a right, or representation. 


    Treating it as something unexceptional only demonstrates privilege (i.e., you've never been denied representation because of some class characteristic). The aggravated attempt to enforce this "silence" on the moment IS a form of bigotry.  


    But no, wait, the "Emancipation Proclamation," just another day right?  Brown vs Board, ho hum, treat it on the same level as the time I had gum stuck to my shoe, but then won a game of whack-a-mole for the first time correct? The Supreme Court striking down DOMA, one and the same as when they cancelled Mork and Mindy. All of it is just 100% equal. 

     
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    Showing Sam and his emotional moment with his partner was great...they shared a kiss great...but then they had to go on showing them eating cake out of each others mouth..really??? I would have preferred to see his game film ...all of his accomplishments..not some reality show...


     


     


     





    I hope you can realize that Sam isn't the story ... you are. If that were a straight player with his GF no one would say a thing. The reason they are showing it is because (sadly) in 2014 it still gets the "go back in the closet" reaction. 


     


     


     


    Once that reaction is gone, it won't be a story anymore. 


     




    But why focus on that? Is the nfl now the morality and PC Gestapo? Why do they care? They are a professional football organization not the ACLU or lgbt or whatever.


     


    you are correct. No one woud say a thing because it is the norm. If they are trying to shift the norm, then showing this makes sense. Still, why do they feel the need to? 




    First of all, it's not the NFL. It's ESPN and the NFL network. They want ratings. They want to cover stories that are noteworthy so that they get ratings. It's not a pro-gay conspiracy. The majority of America is interested in this. 


    Throwing a hissy over it just shows how absolutely entitled and spoiled a lot of white, heterosexual men are about representation. A million video hours of straight athletes kissing their GFs or wives, another 10 million in commercials that represent heterosexual relations in one way or another. 


    Cry, cry, cry about the time that big bad ESPN and NFLnet devoted an extra few minutes of coverage to (ho-hum) the very first openly gay football player. 


    Give me a break. 


    Why do you care? Was a few minutes of air time devoted to something landmark really that bad? You had a couple hundred seconds of your otherwise entirely heterosexual life imposed upon, and that is the end of the world? 

     
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    Re: Why did ESPN have to shove personal Sam moment down our throats?

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    This thread is great because it shows the homophobes.  The best part is, they don't know they are homophobes.


     


    Clearly, a minority homosexual NCAA prospect who is the first ever to have the balls to come forward and be a real, strong person, being true to himself is a historical step forward like Jackie Robinson or even Willie O'Ree who faced discrimination with the first black person in the NHL.


     


    Anyone overreacting to this is clearly a homophobe.


     


     




    It's a passive-aggressive way of "silencing" the under-represented. Don't let them have their minute, not even that one minute, just brush it under the rug like nothing happened. But don't openly announce that you are a bigot. Just hide behind some vapid lip service to "equality" and "special treatment," and how celebrating (or even merely publicizing) a civil rights milestone for a minute or two is somehow "bad" or "discriminates against hetero-normativity.


    Yet, in 29 states you can be fired for being gay.


    In 32 gay people can't get married. 


    In 24 states they cannot adopt children. 


    It's not equal. 


    There has never been a single openly gay big-4 athlete. 


    But hey, let's not treat this as something special. We are all "equal."


    Right. 

     
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    So two dudes were kissing, then shoving cake in each others faces on national TV... who fackin cares?  If you have a problem with it, it says more about you than them... they're the secure ones.





    Exactly. ESPN ins't making an issue of it. They are covering a story.


    People on this forum and elsewhere are turning that (very logical) coverage into an issue by complaining about it. 

     
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    Re: Why did ESPN have to shove personal Sam moment down our throats?

    I almost didn't click onto this thread because I fully expected a bunch of trolled -up , knucklehead responses ..


    To my great surprise   , the comments here have been mostly intelligent adult interjections .


    And...


    Zbellino -


    Your rebuttals may just be the single best  / most articulate arguments I've read on the subject .


    Bravo .


     

     
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    Re: Why did ESPN have to shove personal Sam moment down our throats?

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    Yeah, just like when the media shoved Jackie Robinson's personal life down everyone's throat. Senseless!




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    He's not allowed to live his live and show his feelings towards his significant other on national TV?  




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    It was nice to have a camera there and catch the emotion he had when getting drafted.  They do that with lots of players, but then they showed it like 10 times over and over on NFL network. If someone is looking to be treated the same as everyone else then do so, treat the moment that way too. 


     


     


     


    Another thing that I didn't like was on NFL network they were acting like it was some type of conspiracy between the owners that he wasn't getting picked. Acting like they couldn't believe Sam had not been picked yet, even acted shocked and made a few comments about players who were graded below him were getting picked ahead of him. They were making a big deal about it, it was beginning to look and feel so very fake.


     


     


     


    The Rams is a good spot for Sam, I like Jeff Fisher and and I think this is a perfect fit. 


     


     


     


     


     






     


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    I agree with you TFB St Louis perfect spot for Sam...hope he does well! Great situation for him.




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     Didn't see it, but think it's pretty cool that the NFL is trying to be socially progressive.  




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    Re: Why did ESPN have to shove personal Sam moment down our throats?

    I for one have no problem with a college player showing emotion when drafted into the NFL. But for ESPN to show two dudes KISSING - c'mon--really awkward and line crossing IMO? I'm not homophobic at all but I dont want to see two guys making out and rubbing each others arms. ESPN crossed the line! Its football not a soap opera.

     
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    Re: Why did ESPN have to shove personal Sam moment down our throats?

    Roger Goodell called Fisher and convinced him to pick Sam with his last pick , probably offered some compensation.  I don't care who Sam prefers to sleep with, he wasn't good enough to be drafted.  Also for those that didn't notice there were video cameras in the room beyond the ESPN cameras, expect a reality show on Logo network any day now.  The NFL saw this as a PR opportunity too good to pass up and the chance to reach a fan base they couldn't tap into otherwise.  The kids career will last 5 minutes...

     
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    Roger Goodell called Fisher and convinced him to pick Sam with his last pick , probably offered some compensation.  I don't care who Sam prefers to sleep with, he wasn't good enough to be drafted.  Also for those that didn't notice there were video cameras in the room beyond the ESPN cameras, expect a reality show on Logo network any day now.  The NFL saw this as a PR opportunity too good to pass up and the chance to reach a fan base they couldn't tap into otherwise.  The kids career will last 5 minutes...





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    i agree a lot with this. I think he gets cut. 

     
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    The truth doesn't make us hate mongers, I also prefer two chicks eating cake off each other, see I can be accepting...

     
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    The truth doesn't make us hate mongers, I also prefer two chicks eating cake off each other, see I can be accepting...





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    ha ha. I was going to mention something like that but people here are touchy.  

     
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    This thread is great because it shows the homophobes.  The best part is, they don't know they are homophobes.


     


    Clearly, a minority homosexual NCAA prospect who is the first ever to have the balls to come forward and be a real, strong person, being true to himself is a historical step forward like Jackie Robinson or even Willie O'Ree who faced discrimination with the first black person in the NHL.


     


    Anyone overreacting to this is clearly a homophobe.


     


     




    bS Russ. It's easy to call folks homophobes or racists when they don't agree with the pushed opinion. It's a tactic used to marginalize differing points of view and actually quite simpleton. The US is made up of many different opinions, people, etc..some share your ides, others don't. Doesn't make the others homophobes by expressing their 1st amendment right.

     
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    Showing Sam and his emotional moment with his partner was great...they shared a kiss great...but then they had to go on showing them eating cake out of each others mouth..really??? I would have preferred to see his game film ...all of his accomplishments..not some reality show...


     


     


     


     


     


     


     





    I hope you can realize that Sam isn't the story ... you are. If that were a straight player with his GF no one would say a thing. The reason they are showing it is because (sadly) in 2014 it still gets the "go back in the closet" reaction. 


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    Once that reaction is gone, it won't be a story anymore. 


     


     


     




    But why focus on that? Is the nfl now the morality and PC Gestapo? Why do they care? They are a professional football organization not the ACLU or lgbt or whatever.


     


     


     


    you are correct. No one woud say a thing because it is the norm. If they are trying to shift the norm, then showing this makes sense. Still, why do they feel the need to? 


     




    First of all, it's not the NFL. It's ESPN and the NFL network. They want ratings. They want to cover stories that are noteworthy so that they get ratings. It's not a pro-gay conspiracy. The majority of America is interested in this. 


     


    Throwing a hissy over it just shows how absolutely entitled and spoiled a lot of white, heterosexual men are about representation. A million video hours of straight athletes kissing their GFs or wives, another 10 million in commercials that represent heterosexual relations in one way or another. 


     


    Cry, cry, cry about the time that big bad ESPN and NFLnet devoted an extra few minutes of coverage to (ho-hum) the very first openly gay football player. 


     


    Give me a break. 


     


    Why do you care? Was a few minutes of air time devoted to something landmark really that bad? You had a couple hundred seconds of your otherwise entirely heterosexual life imposed upon, and that is the end of the world? 




    Not at all. Personally it doesn't bother me at all. I celebrate all walks of life, I was just curious as to why it was pushed the way it was. If you think because its newsworthy, so be it. I tend to think its part of a broader agenda. Different opinions and voicing them is what makes this country great. Not all falling in line to accept whatever is thrown at us.

     
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    Re: Why did ESPN have to shove personal Sam moment down our throats?

    ESPN is owned by Disney. Disney has long ignored the rantings of the US Christian Taliban.


    Had I seen it I wouldn't have been bothered but since I have a life I don't watch the draft anyway.
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    Re: Why did ESPN have to shove personal Sam moment down our throats?

    I have a great off color comment but I'll refrain since passions are so high and I don't want it taken as anything other then a joke to make people laugh.  Carry on.

     
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