Re: Why did ESPN have to shove personal Sam moment down our throats?
posted at 5/21/2014 7:58 PM EDT
In response to DougIrwin's comment:
In response to seawolfxs' comment:
Am glad u shared that Rus
This issue is much more personal to you. And it would to me too if I were in your place. I only have one extended family member who I hardly know. but you do know now that someone you clash swords with here, has also been directly affected?
on an individual by individual basis there is no difference in when in someone's personal hell that someone may go thru from external or internal forces. The ideal is to eliminate the former and to help defuse the latter. and unfortunately it will not ever happen here on earth. you seem to think it will, and by 2014 lol . why even Christ had his moment of doubt
I know that isn't your cup of tea, but it is mine.
My whole point here is that maybe you should be just a little happy. As I wrote before, no one here has said that gays don't have rights, or that they shouldn't receive what they have earned, or should be mistreated in any way.
At the same time we cannot expect others to rejoice and celebrate something that they do not accept. we all have our prejudices, don't we ? No one is ever completely accepted By those on the outside. And you cannot expect them to
As I get older, I wonder why people put so much stock into what other people think. (Clearly understand when a person has personal power over another) I ask why would anyone give that sort of power to another. I cannot imagine that you do and I bet your sister doesn't either
End Of Sermon - lol
Pat's Fan lost in Jet Land
Who? If i have clashed with someone who is gay, it is not for that.
It is delusional to pretend even the blocking of gays to.marry is somehow not discrimination through law.
Pat's Fan lost in Jet Land
so good , I think we agree that no one here is trying to harm a gay just because they are gay, isn't that a good thing? Absolutely
The marriage issue is a whole different conversation that really hasn't been discussed in this thread.You obviously have a dog in this fight. And very good for you to take what you view as clearly an open and shut case.
My problem with all this is judges making this decision. Just like Roe v Wade made abortion a mess as there was already a trend towards fixing this in a less antagonistic and decisive way. I have never considered marriage a USA constitutional issue.Say what you will but marriage is a word of religious origin. and that origin is man and women. the State recognized the institution in law.
In the beginning of gay civil rights, civil unions were to assuage this issue. IMO this effort was sabotaged so that civil unions weren't the same. and they could change the definition of the word
If a church wanted to recognize a gay couple as married, like the episcopal church, that is in their purview, but don't ever expect the Catholic Church or othersto join in. IMO the gay movement is trying to change the definition, By changing the definition they are demanding acceptance and some are demanding that one must not only accept but celebrate it. Whereas if they had taken and made a truly equal civil union they would have had all the legal rights they should have.
So there would be a distinction with a marginal perceptible difference. and before you say that is discrimination, the laws all the time discriminate. for example, why shouldn't each person pay the exact same dollars in taxes? ok that is the government. but I, you and every one here does too
But I could go either way on this issue, haven't put a lot of thought. But you know what peas me off? The gay mafia (thank you Bill Mahyer) When they forced out the founder of Mozilla as CEO cause he gave a thousand bucks to a political organization 6 years earlier, , did not implement in business one anti gay policy, AND it was the exact position of Obama at that time. why didn't they demand his resignation? at that time I throw up my arms and want to say the hell with them. Tolerance is only tolerance if you agree with them I guess.
all is just IMO