http://www.nyjetscap.com/2012_Articles/valuepricecb.php

Well, samuel did outperformed his rookie deal, deserving of a new contract. He "wanted" to remain a patriot, but he thought he was worth more than what NE had placed on him as a player. They couldn't agree on the money and length of the contract so they parted ways. Players look for what's best for them, the organization also looks for what's best for them. With that said, he left because he wanted more money than what NE was offering simple as that.

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Let an ex-Phila fan weigh in.  Samuel was one of the least respected Eagles.  Soft against the run and after losing a step, bad against the pass. Teammates hated that they had to make up for his misses and lack of toughness.


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Can anyone really tell me what a 160.3% rating means? Football outsiders is interesting sometimes but I can't always say that just because they have put an indecipherable number next to someone's name that means that number is born from brilliant insight anymore than it could come from a failure to understand their own data. Maybe Samuel is worth every penny, but considering that the professional at the Eagles don't seem to be very happy with his play and our data comes from the not so professionals that told us Manny Lawson was a better pass rusher than Clay Matthews I wouldn't take it as gospel.

Samual was an overrated player, that was a great value for us for where he was selected in the draft. I think Bill would of made a push to keep him if he didn't want to be the highest paid guy on the market at the time. This idiot actually got a tattoo during his last season here that read pay me.

I have no problem with letting this guy go - the only problem I have is all the swing and misses we've had at that particular position...Bodden, Butler, Wheatly, Marshal, Springs. Perhaps McCourty and Dawling are/will be the answer, but I'm not holding my breath - it looks as if we'll have to go to the draft once again to take another stab at a guy that can play the position. I still don't wish we kept a flawed player at the price Philly had to pay to get him.

gotta agree with Rusty on this one. Samuel is soft against the run, freelances to often, and ran his mouth on his way out of town. Had we gotten rid of him a year earlier we may have one additional super bowl since his replacement may have drilled David Tyree instead of wathing him, and also may have held on to the int that went right thru Asante's finger tips. 

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I was somewhat rude because it's tiring seeing your little group run around here constantly challenging BB's decisions without using a hint of basic intelligence centered around the ever-important concept of economics.

Also, I'm as far away as a fanboy as you'll find.  You just didn't like my analysis which is the complete opposite of yours, so you lash out with embarrassment.

As you can see by the Eagles fan's response to you, it appears I'm far more accruate than yourself.  I countered your analysis with sound reasoning based on my opinion with watching the real Samuel in Philly since 2009, when his play veered off the path from his last real All Pro season of 2008.  He got paid and then fell off the map. Period.

Maybe you should try to not get cute around here pretending you're better than BB all the time, as some makeshift wannabe GM in the the cap era, and you'll be just fine.  If anything, you're being the fanboy by ignoring how wise it was for BB to walk away from Samuel and you being far too enamored with Samuel yourself.

Keep in mind, you're questioning arguably the best GM in the history of the NFL.

As for Asamougha, every single player in that secondary underperformed, from Rodgers-Cromartie, to Samuel.  Their issues are LB (now addressed with DeMeco Ryans), but they flat out never recovered from the passing of Jim Johnson.   That's the reality. You don't lose a legend like that, arguably the best Def Coordinator in the game, and then act like it doesn't matter, especially when you are forced to promote an offensive coach to be your Def Coordinator.  Duh.

I warned of their all in one FA shopping not working last year anyway. They'll be much better this year with a year under their belts, Ryans added and Asamougha and Rodgers-Cromartie being in that system for a year now.

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Who is Marshal?

Bodden wasn't a miss.  He was very good in 2009 and then injuries hampered his time here.  He was also much cheaper than Samuel as an option and better for that matter in 2009.

Butler and Wheatley were misses. 

Also, it's Dowling, not "Dawling". 

We let Asante Samuel go because you don't devote that much money of your cap to a cornerback.  Ask the Jets how that's working out for them with Darrelle Revis.

wow bassfishing, you think an awful lot of yourself.

No, I just do my homework and have a clue. Try it sometime, Mr. Insecure.

The Patriots may also have let certain defensive backfield players go because of a pill bust at the US-Canada border.  I don't exactly remember which Patriots players (plural) were involved but that sort of thing isn't good for a player's reputation.  When players show lots of interest in a good time, maybe they won't have the stamina to finish the season (think of the New York Jets slide to miss the playoffs), maybe they're stupid to get busted, and they're not the right guys in the locker room.

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Marshall was a third round pick out of Notre Dame a few years ago, I believe he got hurt and never made it past a few training camp practices. Bodden was good in 09, but when you pay him 25 million in contract (after 09) you would expect the investment to give you at least one good game after that..he never did. I really don't care how Dowling spells his name, when you got out and run fifty yards and then go on IR, I'm willing to bet learning his name won't be necessary. 

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Why would we want a knucklehead like him who puts self before team?

We let him go at just the right time. The eagles paid a big contract and now, he is just another veteran cb that might be a decent acquisition in nickel and dime situations. I wouldn't want him starting for me at this point.

In response to "Re: Why did we let Samuel go again?": I agree with this ^. Call me crazy but I'm not thrilled with paying a guy a chit load of money after choking on two important plays in the SB and diving at ankles for years.

Since Samuel left the Patriots have had a hard time finding his replacement.

2008
drafted
Terrence Wheatley 2nd
Jonathan Wilhite 4th

signed journeymen
Jason Webster
Deltha O'Neal
Ade Jimoh
Fernando Bryant
Lewis Sanders
Jason Webster

2009
drafted
Darius Butler 2nd

signed
Leigh Bodden
Shawn Springs

2010
drafted
Devin McCourty 1st

signed
Chevis Jackson
Terrence Johnson
DeAngelo Willingham

2011
drafted
Ras-I Dowling 2nd

signed
Kyle Arrington
Antwaun Molden
Sterling Moore

We play him twice a year now.  We will hasve an opportunuty to determine not bringing him bank.   I say to all those lovers of BB the GM have you looked at defense, and  the secondary the last few years?   Are you really happy with the quality of the drafting the last 5 to 10 years? Honestly?

Because he wasn't worth it and dropped a sure interception thus allowing the inferior giants to luck their way to win the super bowl.

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