Re: Why Gronk's Absence Is Not Devastating
posted at 12/12/2013 7:14 PM EST
In response to DeadAhead's comment:
In response to mthurl's comment:
In response to DeadAhead's comment:
1. Vereen is here
2. Amendola is healthier and further along
3. The rookies are progressing in their own ways/further along
Gronk's biggest absence will be in the red zone and with how you can dictate plays with his presence, but that does not mean our offense will falter either. Sunday's first half was proof of that.
This kind of reminds me when you started a similar thread when Wilfork went down...how did that work out for you?
I disagree with your assessment of the devastation of losing Gronk. Gronk was a guy people game planned for, he was a guy teams had to worry about. McDaniels made a good point yesterday saying teams would have to alter the way they practiced and prepared during the week when facing Gronk, it made things difficult just in a preparation sense...that is now gone.
Gronk is a redzone threat, that is a big deal. Also think about the size of his hands compared to Edelman, Amendola, Vereen and Boyce...now picture all that in the wind on a 20 degree Saturday night playoff game in the post season. Those things matter. Did you listen to Belichick on Monday? He would of sounded happier if someone had walked into the room and told him he had cancer - that's the way he sounded - it was morbid.
I agree Vereen adds something to the offense...Amendola too, but losing Gronk is devastating when we talk about the playoffs. It may be fine playing the remaining door mats in the regular season, but come playoff time it won't.
Worked out great. Team is 10-3, a line for the 2nd seed and Vellano and Jones have overachieved for us as UDFAs.
Each of your parargraphs, I already included in my post. I said his "red zone presence will be missed" and "the way our offense could dictate plays"...
You're telling me things I already know.
That's not the point of this thread. The point is how people can throw out ideas as to how we skin the cat differently.
We spent 2.5 qtrs with Gronk on the field and couldn't even move the ball, so this idea of Gronk being some elixir really isn't the case to move the ball.
Gronk got hurt early vs Houston last year and the offense still exploded.
The real key which I mentioned above is the run game and playaction which will be needed by halftime in these games:
1. vs Miami
2. vs Baltimore
3. AFC Title game/SB
Usually the divisional rd team is flawed enough where we're not beholden to having to have playaction by halftime.
You can only get playaction if you can run the ball. The time has come. Oh yes it has.
Well the points of emphasis that you want me to just leave out and forget are just a little to important to leave out...redzone and how you can dictate plays with his presence.
Now anything can happen, but I do find some real problems...here is some more...
Lets say we rely more on our receivers, etc, well we most likely have to go deeper on the edges to free up the middle of the field now because those guys will now be covered. You been watching our pass protection lately? Brady can't drop back and get protection consistently any longer. That's a problem...maybe not in your fantasy land, but in the real world it is.
Catching the football - Gronk could do that - Edelman has done well, but he will drop some, that won't get easier in the freezing cold.
We are now small. Everyone that we send out there now to catch footballs are small...you watch playoff football? They let things go in the post season, defenses get physical, they let them grab a lot more, PI calls don't influence the game nearly as much...you need a big guy to handle that. Now the only plus I can see from that is that gronk being a TE actually hurt us in the PI regard...big tightends were never going to get those calls that a smaller wide receiver might (might). Gronk and Hern would get mugged, but they would look the other way in the playoffs...maybe the receiver won't? Maybe, but I'm not holding my breath.
Another huge problem is the remaining skill players on the roster are some of the most injury prone players in the NFL...Amendola? He is a legend in the injury department. Edelman? He has never stayed healthy...until now...is that going to continue? Vereen? This guy has only played like 6 games in three years for a reason...it's because a stiff wind will break one of his bones.
The wild card is Boyce and Dobson too me, but I just don't think they are enough of this offense at this point to change our fate...next year? Yeah maybe then, but not now.