Why players are now fined and/or suspended for head to head hits

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    Why players are now fined and/or suspended for head to head hits

    http://www.indystar.com/article/20111222/SPORTS/112220397

    ATLANTA -- Some former NFL players say in a new federal lawsuit that brain injuries have left them struggling with medical problems years after their playing days ended.

    Jamal Lewis, Dorsey Levens, Fulton Kuykendall and Ryan Stewart filed the lawsuit against the National Football League and NFL Properties LLC this week in U.S. District Court in Atlanta.

    The players maintain the NFL knew as early as the 1920s of the potential for concussions to harm its players.

    "The NFL has done everything in its power to hide the issue and mislead players concerning the risks associated with concussions," the players maintain in the lawsuit.



    The above is only part of the story.  Click the link for the entire story.  This is exactly the reason why the NFL has instituted these new rules that everyone is up in arms about.  We live in a litigious society, and ewhile veryone of the players in the lawsuit implicitly knew what football might do to their brain and body after they were done playing they are unwilling to take responsibility for it - especially when they can find an attorney willing to sue the very rich league on their behalf. 

    It makes me wonder if, as a part of the new CBA, there is now hold harmless language in players contracts that may not have been there before. 
     
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    Re: Why players are now fined and/or suspended for head to head hits

    In response to "Re: Why players are now fined and/or suspended for head to head hits":
    Well, since the league knows this happens, shouldn't they do something about it to mitigate it?  Because you're saying that because I know concrete might collapse, if I drive across a bridge as it collapses that isn't the fault of the company that made it. Posted by Patsfansince1966
    Well there's realistically no risk in driving over a bridge, and while in some rare cases a bridge could collapse it is not you driving on it that would cause that, it would be poor construction. In this case players are partaking in inherently risky behavior and even when played correctly there is a huge risk of injury. Them playing football contributes to their risk of injury while you driving over a bridge does not increase the chances the bridge will fall. Like blaming McDonald's for giving you a heart attack or a cigarette company for cancer there is nobody forcing them to take those risks. If those things like football cigarettes and cheeseburgers were known to be perfectly safe when played, smoked or eaten correctly then I could see why someone would Blame them. However if you ordered a cheeseburger and it had something in it that killed you instantly that would be different. So I guess what they must prove is that the NFL has done everything it can to remove all risk but the one inherent to playing the game.
     
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    Re: Why players are now fined and/or suspended for head to head hits

    I wonder if the junior high schools, high schools, and colleges were named in the suit? Or for that matter how about their local pee wee football league? - bet not - although it is more than likely that these players played the majority of their football life in something other than an NFL uniform.  
     
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    Re: Why players are now fined and/or suspended for head to head hits

    In Response to Re: Why players are now fined and/or suspended for head to head hits:
    I wonder if the junior high schools, high schools, and colleges were named in the suit? Or for that matter how about their local pee wee football league? - bet not - although it is more than likely that these players played the majority of their football life in something other than an NFL uniform.  
    Posted by UD6


    The risk of serious injury is lower at those levels because the players aren't as big, strong or fast.  Granted there are cases like the kid who died on his HS football team and an MRI revealed his brain to be really messed up, but I imagine the vast majority of these guys would not suffer any severe symptoms if they stopped before the NFL.
     
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    Re: Why players are now fined and/or suspended for head to head hits

    pcm - I don't disagree with you, but my point was more about these players seeking money.  You are not going to get any money from a pee wee football league or public school system. 

    That said, and while I agree with you on the severity of hits, unless you have data to the contrary, there's no reason to believe that deterioration of brain function didn't begin sometime at these earlier ages. 
     
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    Re: Why players are now fined and/or suspended for head to head hits

    Looks like the league is on its way to flag football to mitigate ANY possibility the player may get hurt when THEY know it is a physical game, but, someone else is to blame for their injuries.  For ANY player to say that running full speed at each other and colliding resulting in any possible injury is the fault of the league is amazing!!!  There is a thing called inherrent risk which goes with playing football at this level.  I am certain many of these players knew they were hurt but "insisted" on going back into the game.  Look at Big Ben playing on that high ankle sprain.  What if further damage results and he can't play anymore and also limits his future career?  Should he sue the league for not keeping him out of the game in spite of his protestations to the contrary? 
     
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    Re: Why players are now fined and/or suspended for head to head hits

    In Response to Re: Why players are now fined and/or suspended for head to head hits:
    pcm - I don't disagree with you, but my point was more about these players seeking money.  You are not going to get any money from a pee wee football league or public school system.  That said, and while I agree with you on the severity of hits, unless you have data to the contrary, there's no reason to believe that deterioration of brain function didn't begin sometime at these earlier ages. 
    Posted by UD6


    I don't have hard data comparing the NFL to peewee football, but some of the surveys from the nytimes article on head injuries in the NFL is pretty crazy (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/f/football/head_injuries/index.html).

    A few findings that stuck out are:

    "A 2000 study surveyed 1,090 former N.F.L. players and found more than 60 percent had suffered at least one concussion in their careers and 26 percent had had three or more. Those who had had concussions reported more problems with memory, concentration, speech impediments, headaches and other neurological problems than those who had not, the survey found."

    "A 2007 study conducted by the University of North Carolina's Center for the Study of Retired Athletes found that of the 595 retired N.F.L. players who recalled sustaining three or more concussions on the football field, 20.2 percent said they had been found to have depression. That is three times the rate of players who have not sustained concussions."

    "But in September 2009, a study commissioned by the N.F.L. reported that Alzheimer's disease or similar memory-related diseases appear to have been diagnosed in the league's former players vastly more often than in the national population — including a rate of 19 times the normal rate for men ages 30 through 49."

    If these numbers translated to the population of kids who play football (which is orders of magnitude larger than the number of NFL players) I feel like we'd see an epidemic of these symptoms that would be hard not to notice.

    So it's not exactly hard data, but given the intuitive nature of my previous argument I think it still has some validity.  That being said I agree that if you are going to sue you go where the money is.

     
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    Re: Why players are now fined and/or suspended for head to head hits

    This is football. You learn from an early age that this sport HURTS. If you can't take it try another sport. There will alway be Lawyers who will promise you the world to get a piece of the pie. It's the players decision to play hurt or milk it for what it's worth. This sport is based on the fastest and biggest to make it a career. If they can't hack it take up Soccer.
     
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