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Why The Continued Obsession About Offense?

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                Pts. For (rank)   Pts. Against (rank)    Pass Yard Given (rank)   Rush Yard Given(rank)

    2001       23.2 (6)                 17 (6)                  218.5 (24)                            114.9 (19)

    2003       21.8 (12)               14.9 (1)               202 (15)                                89.6 (4)

    2004       27.3 (4)                 16.3 (2)               212.5 (17)                            98.3 (6)

    2007       36.8 (1)                 17.1 (4)               190.1 (6)                               98.3 (10)

    2011       32.1 (3)                 21.4 (15)              293.9 (31)                            117.1 (17)

    2012       30.4 (1)                 20.7 (9)                271.4 (29)                            101.9 (9)

     

    On the surface, the Patriots have held their own when it comes to putting up points on offense.  During their superbowl winning years, they ranked (let's say) top 5 in points given.

    2007 was the nightmarish ending to an almost perfect year. Fluke, defenses fault, offenses fault, coaches fault - who knows.

    The offense, again, shouldn't be fans' greatest concern. They can put up points on most average or second tier defenses.  IMO, when the Patriots have difficulty putting up points against certain teams - IT HAS TO BE THE DEFENSE that wins those kinds of games.

    Seriously, one CAN'T look at the numbers and say there's no relationship between the number of passing yards given up/game (and their relative ranking vs. other teams) and say there is no relationship between that stat and pts given up per game.

    Which, is why I think that the patriots need to get back into the top 5 in pts. given up per game.  Seems that the best way to do that is get opponents off the field by improving our pass rush and coverage by our defensive backs.

     
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    Sure, the offense isn't perfect and could use some depth at certain positions, but it still seems to me that the defense has bigger weaknesses and the road to another SB ring is more dependent on improvements w/ our pass rush and defensive backs.  When trying to improve this team for another SB run - it's about building a team that can beat the likes of the 49ers, Ravens, or Giants, aka, the Patriots' kryptonite.

     




    Because a lot of fans are brainwashed reading rustys post over and over about our offense not getting it done. They didnt bother to do the research themselves and see that we always get less posession come postseason due to our D not getting off the field and everyone is sitting their Scratching their heads wondering why we only scored 13 pts. If your defense cant stop anyone and give up 4 TDs in 4 redzone appearances the offense has to be perfect and thats impossible sooooo, You Blame Brady and everyone wants MORE weapons now and the same p*ss poor defense! Yaaaaah! We signed Arrington and Cole back , surely things will change now right??

     

     

    LOL

     




    How can you choose to throw 45 times, most of those passes, say 75% out of a shotgun, be due to a lack of "possessions"? That doesn't make any sense at all, especially when it's by choice with a lead.

    If they were behind, then you'd be correct. 

    NE's D has been a top 1-3 D in the last 3 years in creating turnovers, which means they're actually adding in more possessions than most teams, even if they aren't stonewalling on 3 and outs like some locked down D in a passing era. So, you lose there, too.

    What team ran more plays on offense this year than NE's? ZERO. NE led the NFL in plays run and it's not because Tom Brady is infallible in the shotgun spread.

    This is the most moronic premise ever. NE has leads in games and the offense chooses to end up throwing 45 times, mostly from the shotgun. THAT is your problem.

    i don't need to brainwash anyone, Shizzles.  I can source game after game after game of this finesse garbage letting our own D down and our fanbase down.

    This "how many possessions" we have is total bunk, especially when the offense gets a bunch more than the average, and the yield still isn't that good.

    It's like you're standing there like a 12 year old girl demanding the D create at least 2 turnovers in case Brady throws his 2 INTs when he throws 40+ times against good or great Ds. Everything is about ignoring Brady and his choice of running the offense. If you aren't All Pro, you aren't in the Circle of Trust, which may be part of BB's approach to fix Brady this offseason. 

    No more binkies. We've had too many seasons of binkies.

    The fact is, Brady and the strategy, derived by Brady's choice to run this from the shotgun, is a massive failure yet he still thinks he can somehow get it done in that base formation. Don't deviate from the methodology, the one that works, which is patience and Brady under center.

    This shotgun preference has sucked! Sucked!  Do you really enjoy sitting back knowing that our own offense, when it doesn't score for entire halves in that crap, somehow is this infallible style?

    Brady can't go on with it.

    He can't. It's over. Deal with it. We have a 36 year old QB who blew two SBs with it and missed his chances.

    It's over.

     




    pats with brady and pats D=12+ wins

    pats without brady and pats D= 9 wins

     

     
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    Sure, the offense isn't perfect and could use some depth at certain positions, but it still seems to me that the defense has bigger weaknesses and the road to another SB ring is more dependent on improvements w/ our pass rush and defensive backs.  When trying to improve this team for another SB run - it's about building a team that can beat the likes of the 49ers, Ravens, or Giants, aka, the Patriots' kryptonite.

     




    Because a lot of fans are brainwashed reading rustys post over and over about our offense not getting it done. They didnt bother to do the research themselves and see that we always get less posession come postseason due to our D not getting off the field and everyone is sitting their Scratching their heads wondering why we only scored 13 pts. If your defense cant stop anyone and give up 4 TDs in 4 redzone appearances the offense has to be perfect and thats impossible sooooo, You Blame Brady and everyone wants MORE weapons now and the same p*ss poor defense! Yaaaaah! We signed Arrington and Cole back , surely things will change now right??

     

     

    LOL

     




    How can you choose to throw 45 times, most of those passes, say 75% out of a shotgun, be due to a lack of "possessions"? That doesn't make any sense at all, especially when it's by choice with a lead.

    If they were behind, then you'd be correct. 

    NE's D has been a top 1-3 D in the last 3 years in creating turnovers, which means they're actually adding in more possessions than most teams, even if they aren't stonewalling on 3 and outs like some locked down D in a passing era. So, you lose there, too.

    What team ran more plays on offense this year than NE's? ZERO. NE led the NFL in plays run and it's not because Tom Brady is infallible in the shotgun spread.

    This is the most moronic premise ever. NE has leads in games and the offense chooses to end up throwing 45 times, mostly from the shotgun. THAT is your problem.

    i don't need to brainwash anyone, Shizzles.  I can source game after game after game of this finesse garbage letting our own D down and our fanbase down.

    This "how many possessions" we have is total bunk, especially when the offense gets a bunch more than the average, and the yield still isn't that good.

    It's like you're standing there like a 12 year old girl demanding the D create at least 2 turnovers in case Brady throws his 2 INTs when he throws 40+ times against good or great Ds. Everything is about ignoring Brady and his choice of running the offense. If you aren't All Pro, you aren't in the Circle of Trust, which may be part of BB's approach to fix Brady this offseason. 

    No more binkies. We've had too many seasons of binkies.

    The fact is, Brady and the strategy, derived by Brady's choice to run this from the shotgun, is a massive failure yet he still thinks he can somehow get it done in that base formation. Don't deviate from the methodology, the one that works, which is patience and Brady under center.

    This shotgun preference has sucked! Sucked!  Do you really enjoy sitting back knowing that our own offense, when it doesn't score for entire halves in that crap, somehow is this infallible style?

    Brady can't go on with it.

    He can't. It's over. Deal with it. We have a 36 year old QB who blew two SBs with it and missed his chances.

    It's over.

     

     




    pats with brady and pats D=12+ wins

     

    pats without brady and pats D= 9 wins

     

     



    No idea what that means.   You offer nothing into these discussions as usual.

     




    What he is trying to say is that without Brady this is a mediocre team...nothing more. He's 100% correct. Does that help, dumbo?

     
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    Sure, the offense isn't perfect and could use some depth at certain positions, but it still seems to me that the defense has bigger weaknesses and the road to another SB ring is more dependent on improvements w/ our pass rush and defensive backs.  When trying to improve this team for another SB run - it's about building a team that can beat the likes of the 49ers, Ravens, or Giants, aka, the Patriots' kryptonite.

     




    Because a lot of fans are brainwashed reading rustys post over and over about our offense not getting it done. They didnt bother to do the research themselves and see that we always get less posession come postseason due to our D not getting off the field and everyone is sitting their Scratching their heads wondering why we only scored 13 pts. If your defense cant stop anyone and give up 4 TDs in 4 redzone appearances the offense has to be perfect and thats impossible sooooo, You Blame Brady and everyone wants MORE weapons now and the same p*ss poor defense! Yaaaaah! We signed Arrington and Cole back , surely things will change now right??

     

     

    LOL

     




    How can you choose to throw 45 times, most of those passes, say 75% out of a shotgun, be due to a lack of "possessions"? That doesn't make any sense at all, especially when it's by choice with a lead.

    If they were behind, then you'd be correct. 

    NE's D has been a top 1-3 D in the last 3 years in creating turnovers, which means they're actually adding in more possessions than most teams, even if they aren't stonewalling on 3 and outs like some locked down D in a passing era. So, you lose there, too.

    What team ran more plays on offense this year than NE's? ZERO. NE led the NFL in plays run and it's not because Tom Brady is infallible in the shotgun spread.

    This is the most moronic premise ever. NE has leads in games and the offense chooses to end up throwing 45 times, mostly from the shotgun. THAT is your problem.

    i don't need to brainwash anyone, Shizzles.  I can source game after game after game of this finesse garbage letting our own D down and our fanbase down.

    This "how many possessions" we have is total bunk, especially when the offense gets a bunch more than the average, and the yield still isn't that good.

    It's like you're standing there like a 12 year old girl demanding the D create at least 2 turnovers in case Brady throws his 2 INTs when he throws 40+ times against good or great Ds. Everything is about ignoring Brady and his choice of running the offense. If you aren't All Pro, you aren't in the Circle of Trust, which may be part of BB's approach to fix Brady this offseason. 

    No more binkies. We've had too many seasons of binkies.

    The fact is, Brady and the strategy, derived by Brady's choice to run this from the shotgun, is a massive failure yet he still thinks he can somehow get it done in that base formation. Don't deviate from the methodology, the one that works, which is patience and Brady under center.

    This shotgun preference has sucked! Sucked!  Do you really enjoy sitting back knowing that our own offense, when it doesn't score for entire halves in that crap, somehow is this infallible style?

    Brady can't go on with it.

    He can't. It's over. Deal with it. We have a 36 year old QB who blew two SBs with it and missed his chances.

    It's over.

     

     




    pats with brady and pats D=12+ wins

     

    pats without brady and pats D= 9 wins

     

     



    No idea what that means.   You offer nothing into these discussions as usual.

     

     




    What he is trying to say is that without Brady this is a mediocre team...nothing more. He's 100% correct. Does that help, dumbo?

     

     




    No, it doesn't.  Brady had a very good D from 2001-2004 with better QBing back then.

     

    Recently, the D has been younger and not as good, but he's also been worse.  How does that excuse him, dumbo?

    This doesn't even count his SB 42 meltdown with an atrocious display by he and the offense in 2007.

    Did anyone watch SB 46 in the 4th qtr when he melted down? What does the D have to do with how subpar he is running the offense?

     

     




    How does it excuse him? Well he's not the one who builds the team, so you can't pin the lack of a defense on him - that's on the "best GM ever" shoulders. You can also say if you remove him from the equation, we wouldn't of had to worry about Brady "being subpar running the offense" in the playoffs, because we would never sniff the post season. By the way, if the defense hadn't played so poorly in super bowl 46, Brady would of won the MVP in that game. Hands down...no one even close.

    The fact that you can sit here and try to blame Brady for anything while we have perhaps the most average defense in the NFL, is very showing of how uneducated you are as a fan of football. It's embarrassing to see.

     

     
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    Sure, the offense isn't perfect and could use some depth at certain positions, but it still seems to me that the defense has bigger weaknesses and the road to another SB ring is more dependent on improvements w/ our pass rush and defensive backs.  When trying to improve this team for another SB run - it's about building a team that can beat the likes of the 49ers, Ravens, or Giants, aka, the Patriots' kryptonite.

     




    Because a lot of fans are brainwashed reading rustys post over and over about our offense not getting it done. They didnt bother to do the research themselves and see that we always get less posession come postseason due to our D not getting off the field and everyone is sitting their Scratching their heads wondering why we only scored 13 pts. If your defense cant stop anyone and give up 4 TDs in 4 redzone appearances the offense has to be perfect and thats impossible sooooo, You Blame Brady and everyone wants MORE weapons now and the same p*ss poor defense! Yaaaaah! We signed Arrington and Cole back , surely things will change now right??

     

     

    LOL

     




    How can you choose to throw 45 times, most of those passes, say 75% out of a shotgun, be due to a lack of "possessions"? That doesn't make any sense at all, especially when it's by choice with a lead.

    If they were behind, then you'd be correct. 

    NE's D has been a top 1-3 D in the last 3 years in creating turnovers, which means they're actually adding in more possessions than most teams, even if they aren't stonewalling on 3 and outs like some locked down D in a passing era. So, you lose there, too.

    What team ran more plays on offense this year than NE's? ZERO. NE led the NFL in plays run and it's not because Tom Brady is infallible in the shotgun spread.

    This is the most moronic premise ever. NE has leads in games and the offense chooses to end up throwing 45 times, mostly from the shotgun. THAT is your problem.

    i don't need to brainwash anyone, Shizzles.  I can source game after game after game of this finesse garbage letting our own D down and our fanbase down.

    This "how many possessions" we have is total bunk, especially when the offense gets a bunch more than the average, and the yield still isn't that good.

    It's like you're standing there like a 12 year old girl demanding the D create at least 2 turnovers in case Brady throws his 2 INTs when he throws 40+ times against good or great Ds. Everything is about ignoring Brady and his choice of running the offense. If you aren't All Pro, you aren't in the Circle of Trust, which may be part of BB's approach to fix Brady this offseason. 

    No more binkies. We've had too many seasons of binkies.

    The fact is, Brady and the strategy, derived by Brady's choice to run this from the shotgun, is a massive failure yet he still thinks he can somehow get it done in that base formation. Don't deviate from the methodology, the one that works, which is patience and Brady under center.

    This shotgun preference has sucked! Sucked!  Do you really enjoy sitting back knowing that our own offense, when it doesn't score for entire halves in that crap, somehow is this infallible style?

    Brady can't go on with it.

    He can't. It's over. Deal with it. We have a 36 year old QB who blew two SBs with it and missed his chances.

    It's over.

     

     




    pats with brady and pats D=12+ wins

     

    pats without brady and pats D= 9 wins

     

     



    No idea what that means.   You offer nothing into these discussions as usual.

     

     




    What he is trying to say is that without Brady this is a mediocre team...nothing more. He's 100% correct. Does that help, dumbo?

     

     




    No, it doesn't.  Brady had a very good D from 2001-2004 with better QBing back then.

     

    Recently, the D has been younger and not as good, but he's also been worse.  How does that excuse him, dumbo?

    This doesn't even count his SB 42 meltdown with an atrocious display by he and the offense in 2007.

    Did anyone watch SB 46 in the 4th qtr when he melted down? What does the D have to do with how subpar he is running the offense?

     

     

     




    How does it excuse him? Well he's not the one who builds the team, so you can't pin the lack of a defense on him - that's on the "best GM ever" shoulders. You can also say if you remove him from the equation, we wouldn't of had to worry about Brady "being subpar running the offense" in the playoffs, because we would never sniff the post season. By the way, if the defense hadn't played so poorly in super bowl 46, Brady would of won the MVP in that game. Hands down...no one even close.

     

    The fact that you can sit here and try to blame Brady for anything while we have perhaps the most average defense in the NFL, is very showing of how uneducated you are as a fan of football. It's embarrassing to see.

     

     



    Brady is worse as a QB while not winning SBs that are winnable as compared to earlier in his career.

     

    My premise beats yours.

    Only Brady can change it.




    Brady is a much better QB than back in the day,  The difference is BB's inherited defense as apposed to his recent pathetic, build on the fly for 6 years, Defense.

    It was simply a more complete TEAM back then as apposed to the  top rated O and bottom feeder D,  team????,  they put out there.

    If you're wondering why TB's shoulders are always listed on the injury report, it's because he always has to carry the D.  What a waste of a HoF's career.

    Your premise beats no ones.  Never has and never will.  Now, as suggested earlier, go bash TB over on the Jest board.  Chances are, you have and they kicked you out of there too.

     
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    Brady is worse as a QB while not winning SBs that are winnable as compared to earlier in his career.

     

    My premise beats yours.

    Only Brady can change it.

     




    Brady is a much better QB than back in the day,  The difference is BB's inherited defense as apposed to his recent pathetic, build on the fly for 6 years, Defense.

     

    It was simply a more complete TEAM back then as apposed to the  top rated O and bottom feeder D,  team????,  they put out there.

    If you're wondering why TB's shoulders are always listed on the injury report, it's because he always has to carry the D.  What a waste of a HoF's career.

    Your premise beats no ones.  Never has and never will.  Now, as suggested earlier, go bash TB over on the Jest board.  Chances are, you have and they kicked you out of there too.




    Pezz4pats speaks truth here.

    however, there is nothing wrong with getting banned on the Jets board!

    They didn't like my photoshops over there.

     
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    Agree with OP that defensive improvements are more important, but at the risk of sounding like Rusty, our offense has not exactly been scintillating in recent playoff runs. 

    One thing that really bothers me is how many Pats fans seem content winning the division each year, especially in such a weak division. Yeah, we have a great regular season offense each year. So what? With Brady (almost) still in his prime, the goal should be Super Bowl runs and wins. We need improvements on both sides of the ball to make that happen. 

    Also, not to belabor the obvious, but we haven't lost any key pieces on defense and we have on offense. And most of the receivers and tight ends we are counting on have not been able to stay on the field in recent years. I'll grant you that if all our key offensive guys stay healthy we should be terrific, even into the postseason, but it's fair to understand why some fans might have a concern or two about that is it not?

     

     

     

     
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    Agree with OP that defensive improvements are more important, but at the risk of sounding like Rusty, our offense has not exactly been scintillating in recent playoff runs. 

    One thing that really bothers me is how many Pats fans seem content winning the division each year, especially in such a weak division. Yeah, we have a great regular season offense each year. So what? With Brady (almost) still in his prime, the goal should be Super Bowl runs and wins. We need improvements on both sides of the ball to make that happen. 

    Also, not to belabor the obvious, but we haven't lost any key pieces on defense and we have on offense. And most of the receivers and tight ends we are counting on have not been able to stay on the field in recent years. I'll grant you that if all our key offensive guys stay healthy we should be terrific, even into the postseason, but it's fair to understand why some fans might have a concern or two about that is it not?

     

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    true, depends on your time reference. Plus, apart from Wilfork - who was there to actually lose? Jones is a new addition. Nink is fine, but noone else wants him.  BB has been able to coach up defensive players - but the results defensively isn't good enough. This has been going on for years.

     

     
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    Sure, the offense isn't perfect and could use some depth at certain positions, but it still seems to me that the defense has bigger weaknesses and the road to another SB ring is more dependent on improvements w/ our pass rush and defensive backs.  When trying to improve this team for another SB run - it's about building a team that can beat the likes of the 49ers, Ravens, or Giants, aka, the Patriots' kryptonite.




    This obsession is due to the rise of Fantasy Football, plain and simple. Fantasy football pulled a lot of new fans into following the NFL and lot of old fans and what is the main focus of fantasy football? Offense! Defense is the ugly step child in FF, therefore these new and old fans bring that offense centric outlook to discussions about the NFL. By that I mean since you need to be heavily invested in knowing the production of offensive players such as QBs, WRs, TEs and RBs, and don't need to know anything about actual defensive players, these people can only write intelligently about the offensive side of football and really only write about the so called "skill positions".

     
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    Sure, the offense isn't perfect and could use some depth at certain positions, but it still seems to me that the defense has bigger weaknesses and the road to another SB ring is more dependent on improvements w/ our pass rush and defensive backs.  When trying to improve this team for another SB run - it's about building a team that can beat the likes of the 49ers, Ravens, or Giants, aka, the Patriots' kryptonite.

     




    Because a lot of fans are brainwashed reading rustys post over and over about our offense not getting it done. They didnt bother to do the research themselves and see that we always get less posession come postseason due to our D not getting off the field and everyone is sitting their Scratching their heads wondering why we only scored 13 pts. If your defense cant stop anyone and give up 4 TDs in 4 redzone appearances the offense has to be perfect and thats impossible sooooo, You Blame Brady and everyone wants MORE weapons now and the same p*ss poor defense! Yaaaaah! We signed Arrington and Cole back , surely things will change now right??

     

     

    LOL

     




    How can you choose to throw 45 times, most of those passes, say 75% out of a shotgun, be due to a lack of "possessions"? That doesn't make any sense at all, especially when it's by choice with a lead.

    If they were behind, then you'd be correct. 

    NE's D has been a top 1-3 D in the last 3 years in creating turnovers, which means they're actually adding in more possessions than most teams, even if they aren't stonewalling on 3 and outs like some locked down D in a passing era. So, you lose there, too.

    What team ran more plays on offense this year than NE's? ZERO. NE led the NFL in plays run and it's not because Tom Brady is infallible in the shotgun spread.

    This is the most moronic premise ever. NE has leads in games and the offense chooses to end up throwing 45 times, mostly from the shotgun. THAT is your problem.

    i don't need to brainwash anyone, Shizzles.  I can source game after game after game of this finesse garbage letting our own D down and our fanbase down.

    This "how many possessions" we have is total bunk, especially when the offense gets a bunch more than the average, and the yield still isn't that good.

    It's like you're standing there like a 12 year old girl demanding the D create at least 2 turnovers in case Brady throws his 2 INTs when he throws 40+ times against good or great Ds. Everything is about ignoring Brady and his choice of running the offense. If you aren't All Pro, you aren't in the Circle of Trust, which may be part of BB's approach to fix Brady this offseason. 

    No more binkies. We've had too many seasons of binkies.

    The fact is, Brady and the strategy, derived by Brady's choice to run this from the shotgun, is a massive failure yet he still thinks he can somehow get it done in that base formation. Don't deviate from the methodology, the one that works, which is patience and Brady under center.

    This shotgun preference has sucked! Sucked!  Do you really enjoy sitting back knowing that our own offense, when it doesn't score for entire halves in that crap, somehow is this infallible style?

    Brady can't go on with it.

    He can't. It's over. Deal with it. We have a 36 year old QB who blew two SBs with it and missed his chances.

    It's over.

     

     




    pats with brady and pats D=12+ wins

     

    pats without brady and pats D= 9 wins

     

     



    No idea what that means.   You offer nothing into these discussions as usual.

     

     




    What he is trying to say is that without Brady this is a mediocre team...nothing more. He's 100% correct. Does that help, dumbo?

     

     




    No, it doesn't.  Brady had a very good D from 2001-2004 with better QBing back then.

     

    Recently, the D has been younger and not as good, but he's also been worse.  How does that excuse him, dumbo?

    This doesn't even count his SB 42 meltdown with an atrocious display by he and the offense in 2007.

    Did anyone watch SB 46 in the 4th qtr when he melted down? What does the D have to do with how subpar he is running the offense?

     

     

     



    Fallacy of the day.  Brady was not "better quarterbacking" or a better quarterback from 01-04 than he has been from 2007 on.  Every bit of statistical evidence proves that.  And such a statement cannot be distilled down to winning a game (the superbowl).  There are 21 other starters on the team as well as special teams players that have a stake in the outcome.  Brady neither plays defense nor returns kicks or kicks fg's etc.  To define his effectiveness soley by a team victory or loss is ridiculous. 

     

    But I do consider the source. 



    finally said something worthwhile...appreciated

     
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