Why the GIANTS are 12 - 7... while the Pats are 15 - 3.... and no one talks about it!

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    Why the GIANTS are 12 - 7... while the Pats are 15 - 3.... and no one talks about it!

    Hmmm... interesting isn't it?  The 12 - 7 Giants are being spoken about as the BEST team in the NFL.  A team that throughout the season were hardly ever in the Power Ranking Top 10 and being greater than the 15 - 3 Patriots.  Yet, NO ONE speaks to their SEVEN losses!!  Seems they don't because it will shoot holes in their reasons why they think the Giants are the best team.  Why?

    #1 - Both the Giants and the Patriots had numerous injuries to key players, yet, it is the Patriots who played through those injuries to achieve a 13 - 3 record while the Giants faltered to 9 - 7.  Wouldn't you say a GOOD team fights though the injuries and still wins without using the injuries as excuses for their record?

    #2 - Everyone talks about who the Patriots beat this season.  Well, look at who the Giants defeated to get to the playoffs!  They went 3 - 1 against the 8 - 8 Jets and Dallas and the 5 - 11 Redskins!! The Giants DID NOT defeat a single team above .500 to get into the playoffs to end the season. But, isn't that all they talk about when it comes to the Patriots' record?

    #3 - The Patriots dominated the Broncos and survived the defense of the Ravens to get into the SB. (what is forgotten is the Pats scored TWO rushing TDs against the team who gave up very few which is why Brady did not have TD passes.) The Giants got help from a Packers team that played, arguably, their worst game of the season while the 49ers gift wrapped the Giants win with turnovers leading directly to 10 points late in the game.    Giants - FIVE game winning streak. Patriots - TEN game winning streak. The Giants are the HOTTER team?? C'mon man!

    #4 - If the Giants NEEDED to be healthy to get to 9 - 7 while the Pats got to 13 - 3 with their injuries, why are the Giants considered the better team when both are healthy?  Answer me that!! Besides, no one is considering how much better the Pats defense is playing NOW.  They just focus on season long stats!

    We'll see a lot of long faces Monday morning from the talking heads, if not some silence and statements like:  "How could we have been so wrong!"
     
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    Re: Why the GIANTS are 12 - 7... while the Pats are 15 - 3.... and no one talks about it!

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    Re: Why the GIANTS are 12 - 7... while the Pats are 15 - 3.... and no one talks about it!

    exactly, shhhh...

    Thinking people know you're right but it's better this way. Let everyone doubt the Patriots.
     
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    Re: Why the GIANTS are 12 - 7... while the Pats are 15 - 3.... and no one talks about it!

    No one cares because the Giants were 13-6 when they faced the 18-0 Patriots and looked how that turned out. 
     
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    Re: Why the GIANTS are 12 - 7... while the Pats are 15 - 3.... and no one talks about it!

    Maybe because once you get to the super bowl, your regular season record doesnt matter?

    Come playoff time, it doesnt matter how well you played during the regular season, it matters how well youre playing now...and right now, they are playing better than a 9-7 team
     
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    Maybe because once you get to the super bowl, your regular season record doesnt matter? Come playoff time, it doesnt matter how well you played during the regular season, it matters how well youre playing now...and right now, they are playing better than a 9-7 team
    Posted by dapats1281

    I see that, plus, a 9 - 7 team needs a LOT of BREAKS to make it this far as a 9 - 7 team is that way for a reason!  Being hot for 3 - 4 games at the right time eliminates your blemishes.  Giants are due to be like a 9 - 7 team while the Pats have proved they are a legitimate 15 - 3 team.
     
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    Re: Why the GIANTS are 12 - 7... while the Pats are 15 - 3.... and no one talks about it!

    it seems really unlikely that a 6-5 team in their last 11 games would lose. I mean it has that aura of invincibility around it, according to the New York Post.
     
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    I have.  I still think some people think it's a given that the Giants win simply because they did in '08 and the regular season game this year.  Some people even want to count the pre-season game this year also.

    They believe the Giants have the Pats number and that they have the ability to fluster Brady.
     
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    In Response to Re: Why the GIANTS are 12 - 7... while the Pats are 15 - 3.... and no one talks about it! : I see that, plus, a 9 - 7 team needs a LOT of BREAKS to make it this far as a 9 - 7 team is that way for a reason!  Being hot for 3 - 4 games at the right time eliminates your blemishes.  Giants are due to be like a 9 - 7 team while the Pats have proved they are a legitimate 15 - 3 team.
    Posted by agcsbill


    Just like in 07? What about the 9-7 Jets beating the 13-3 Chargers in 2009? 10-6 Steelers over the 14-2 Colts in 2005?

    You're putting in way too much stalk into the regular season records. It's all about how you matchup with your opponents. Not too many teams have the type of pass rush to disrupt Brady's rhythm. Of the 4 best pass rushing teams the pats have seen this season (DAL, NYG, PIT, BAL), the Pats are 2-2 and Brady has a 6-6 TD:INT ratio.

    This game isn't 12-7 vs 15-3...it's NYG vs. NE. It's going to be close
     
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    Re: Why the GIANTS are 12 - 7... while the Pats are 15 - 3.... and no one talks about it!

    To be honest it doesn't matter what your record is as long as you got there. However I did mention on an earlier thread that the Giants did benefit from a collapse by the Cowboys and an atrocious start to the season by the Eagles. Still they beat Green Bay and San Fran to get there so you can't really knock em. With the exception of one game against Buffalo, the Pats essentially flattened their division.

     
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    To be honest it doesn't matter what your record is as long as you got there. However I did mention on an earlier thread that the Giants did benefit from a collapse by the Cowboys and an atrocious start to the season by the Eagles. Still they beat Green Bay and San Fran to get there so you can't really knock em. With the exception of one game against Buffalo, the Pats essentially flattened their division.
    Posted by JohnHannahrulz

    Hannah... see your points, but, the talking heads are looking at the past performances as a barometer to pick them.  Yet, in the very same breath do not consider the improving Pats defense as a barometer they can win plus a better offense.  As you put it, it took collapses of other teams to allow the Giants their "in" while the Pats won it all the way.  The Giants are more due to look like a team with 7 losses while the Pats continue to show why they've only lost 3 times and win! They stop the other guys from scoring more than their guys, plain and simple!
     
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    In Response to Re: Why the GIANTS are 12 - 7... while the Pats are 15 - 3.... and no one talks about it! : Just like in 07? What about the 9-7 Jets beating the 13-3 Chargers in 2009? 10-6 Steelers over the 14-2 Colts in 2005? You're putting in way too much stalk into the regular season records.
    Posted by dapats1281


    Would that be live stalk aka Cattle?  Or is that the Stalk market?  I swear I'm not usually a stickler for spelling and grammar, that one just made me laugh.

    Hey it is 2012, you can put as much of your stalk into anything you want, as long as it is a consenting adult.
     
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    Re: Why the GIANTS are 12 - 7... while the Pats are 15 - 3.... and no one talks about it!

    look what the Giants have done in the play offs.  They dominated Atlanta, and then beat up Green Bay in Green bay and beat SF in SF...Thats why.  I like it this way, let them get a big head. 
     
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    Doesn't matter, that is the past. One game is left. I'm sure that BB is preaching this too.
     
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    In Response to Re: Why the GIANTS are 12 - 7... while the Pats are 15 - 3.... and no one talks about it! : Hannah... see your points, but, the talking heads are looking at the past performances as a barometer to pick them.  Yet, in the very same breath do not consider the improving Pats defense as a barometer they can win plus a better offense.  As you put it, it took collapses of other teams to allow the Giants their "in" while the Pats won it all the way.  The Giants are more due to look like a team with 7 losses while the Pats continue to show why they've only lost 3 times and win! They stop the other guys from scoring more than their guys, plain and simple!
    Posted by agcsbill


    Agree 100%. I really haven't watched sports media in three days; it reaches the point where its overanalyzed and oversaturated. You have Madonna expounding on her Super Bowl pick. It's BS.

    Also everyone is wont to discuss Eli's 4th quarter comebacks and yet no one wants to talk about how Eli threw 25 INTs the prior season. IMO this is the best receiving corps (see brother) Eli has ever had. Tom Brady has never thrown for more than 15 INTs and TOs are always huge in the playoff (and you know all the time). Eli has been an elite QB for exactly one year, Tom has been elite his entire career.

    If Ted Ginn (return man) is healthy are the Giants really still that great ?
     
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    In Response to Why the GIANTS are 12 - 7... while the Pats are 15 - 3.... and no one talks about it! : To put it another way if the Jints had the Pats pansy schedule while being fully healthy and the Patsies had the Jints brutal schedule it's a good bet their season records would be reversed...and if the Jints played the Broncos and Ravens at home instead of the Packers and 49ers on the road they would have SALSA'D into the SB
    Posted by JintsFan


    Tha'ts right because the Raven who beat the 49ers (16-6) are nowhere near as good as the teams the Giants beat, please.  And this luck BS is killing me.  What's more lucky?  knocking the ball out of receivers hand or having a ball hit off of a punt returner's knee?  hmmmm.
     
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    In Response to Why the GIANTS are 12 - 7... while the Pats are 15 - 3.... and no one talks about it! : To put it another way if the Jints had the Pats pansy schedule while being fully healthy and the Patsies had the Jints brutal schedule it's a good bet their season records would be reversed...and if the Jints played the Broncos and Ravens at home instead of the Packers and 49ers on the road they would have SALSA'D into the SB
    Posted by JintsFan


    Pats haven't been healthy since week 1.  Went through 3 centers and promoted a PS player for their 4th.  The Db'd have been so decimated that they had to plug in 2 WR's. They also picked guys up off the street to help fill in. They had to activate a guy with cancer to help out on the O line when most of the starters went down. One has been out more than half the season and 14 guys (mostly starters) were IR'd.  Just got 2 more starters back week 16 that were also out half the season or more and 1 more will return this week.
     No one ever mentions the injury problems because they just plug in and move on.
    The jints loose 2-3 players and can't win a game and all you hear about is their injury problems.  Why is that?
     
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    Re: Why the GIANTS are 12 - 7... while the Pats are 15 - 3.... and no one talks about it!

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    In Response to Re: Why the GIANTS are 12 - 7... while the Pats are 15 - 3.... and no one talks about it! : how about missing a chip shot FG? and evans play was a touchdown! Posted by JintsFan
    Nice but clumsy try. The ball was coming loose before the second foot hit the ground. Clearly, the officials on the field (who didn't even bother to ask for one look at it) and the league as a whole had no problem with it. You just WISH it was a touchdown so you don't have to play the Patriots. And if the Ravens can't hit a "chip shot" field goal, they don't deserve to be there, and you should be equally glad that Kyle Williams doesn't know what it means to get out of the way of a punt he has no intention of fielding. That mistake was at least ten times dumber and more a fluke than Cundiff's field goal miss.
     
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    Re: Why the GIANTS are 12 - 7... while the Pats are 15 - 3.... and no one talks about it!

    Jints - I don't remember you complaining when Gostkowski missed a 26-yard field goal earlier this season, in a game in which the Patriots lost by 3 points. Was it just a coincidence that they were playing the Giants in that game?

    Because had Gostkowski hit that field-goal, there's a good chance that the Giants aren't in the Super Bowl, let alone the playoffs. Double-standard?
     
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    In response to "Re: Why the GIANTS are 12 - 7... while the Pats are 15 - 3.... and no one talks about it!":
    Jints - I don't remember you complaining when Gostkowski missed a 26-yard field goal earlier this season, in a game in which the Patriots lost by 3 points. Was it just a coincidence that they were playing the Giants in that game? Because had Gostkowski hit that field-goal, there's a good chance that the Giants aren't in the Super Bowl, let alone the playoffs. Double-standard? Posted by vertigho
    He's full of double standards because he's getting desperate. I've pointed out three or four things like this, but he keeps posting about it.
     
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    look what the Giants have done in the play offs.  They dominated Atlanta, and then beat up Green Bay in Green bay and beat SF in SF...Thats why.  I like it this way, let them get a big head. 
    Posted by ctredsoxfanhugh

    More like SF beat SF themselves.. Giants didn't win, SF lost and the Giants think they WON the game on their own without help.
     
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    In Response to Why the GIANTS are 12 - 7... while the Pats are 15 - 3.... and no one talks about it! : To put it another way if the Jints had the Pats pansy schedule while being fully healthy (REALLY?) and the Patsies had the Jints brutal schedule (losing TWICE to the 5 - 11 Redskins, Brutal!!!) it's a good bet their season records would be reversed.( Pats went 13 - 3 with ALL their injuries while the Giants went 9 - 7 with theirs)..and if the Jints played the Broncos and Ravens at home instead of the Packers and 49ers on the road they would have SALSA'D into the SB
    Posted by JintsFan

    Pats did not chose their schedule.  If it wasn't for Dallas collapsing like they did and for your Giants to have played the floundering Dallas and Jets in their last two games, would they be even here?  Giants are 9 - 7 for a reason... they lose games at more than a 2 - 1 clip as opposed to the Pats and they'll lose again this Sunday. I like the odds the Giants are twice as likely to lose than the Pats.
     
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