Re: Why Welker Is Not Here Anymore
posted at 5/26/2014 1:07 PM EDT
In response to rtuinila's comment:
In response to joepatsfan111111's comment:
In response to rtuinila's comment:
Why do people keep saying Welker was "low-balled"? The two offers he got from the only two teams to make him offers were not that far enough apart to be termed "low-balled unless you want to exaggerate the discrepancy to try to forward an agenda
The Pats weren't lucky Edelman came back to them. Slot receivers, even NFL best slot receivers, Aren't worth a lot of money on the open market and the Pats knew that. They also know JE and the rest of the league knows BB typically pays those guys better than the league average.
Moss was washed up by the time BB got rid of him. He wasn't worth the money nor the aggravation. He wasn't even being double teamed anymore.
The Pats haven't lost the playoff games due to a lack of a deep threat, they lost their playoff games due to a lack of receiving diversity. Any NFL defense can stop one guy, good ones can take two guys out of the game and elite ones can take three. Since Moss got to the Pats, they have been a two, sometimes three receiver O. Before Moss got to the Pats they were a 5 receiver O and they rarely "took the top off the defense".
You are totally being blind on the WW situation.
BB offered 2/10 w BS incentives and Denver offered 2/12, at least WW had the decency to give us like 2-3 hours to match the offer, only by adding just a mere two more million to the deal. BB didn't do that so we walked. I don't know what your definition of low balling is, but I'd say that's a pretty accurate example.
Yes, I agree slot WRs are cheap and dime a dozen in the right system. That argument would work BUT BB went out and paid Danny "Glass" Amendola a 5 year 28 mil (?) deal. Pretty cheap slot WR, eh?
Fact is BB was willing to let JE walk too, if the Giants threw down maybe like 250-500K more in a deal. Just half a million more and Edelman would have been gone too! If BB knew JE would have given us the 100 & 1000 season that he did, JE would've been inked to this 4 year 17 M deal last off season.
Stop being blind on that. I agree slot WRs can be cheap and expendable but why are we paying ours 28 million then?
Agree about Moss, the reason BB let him go was because his attitude went to the shiits and he kept BS'ing about a new deal. BB saw Gronk as the new big mismatch downfield and was willing to ride him over Moss.
IMO the reason we lost SB 46 (beside the obvious plays: the Brady-WW drop, Nink offsides, and Manningham) was Gronk not being 100% if he is 100% we win that game no doubt in my mind
I'm not the one being blind on Welker, the guy wasn't worth the money Denver payed him and who knows if the incentives were BS. 2 mill difference when you are talking that much money isn't low balling.
Ammendola is supposed to be more than a slot receiver and at 5/28, he was much cheaper than Welker at 2/12 with the possibility of much more production.
Fact is BB is willing to let everyone walk if they have to have more than he is willing to pay. But He also knew whae JE was worth on the market and knew he had him at the top of his market barring some other teams idiocy. And teams don't usually go idiot over a player like JE. And in case you didn't notice, the Giants didn't go idiot over JE and they didn't offer him even 250K more and JE probably wouldn't have gone for that situation for that little extra.
I'm not the one being blind on the slot receivers.
The reason the Pats lost SB 46 was because their offense went through three people that year and one of them got hurt. In the previous superbowls the offense went through 6 or 7 people. Any one of them could have been hurt and the others would have been able to pick up the slack. It used to be one of the reasons the Pats O was impervious to injuries back then. It's one of the reasons the Pats were known for "next man up". An injury to one player just didn't effect the efficiency of the O like it does today. The D didn't help things either but that is another story.
Here is the difference:
Back then, Brady didn't have HOF talent around him, so the drop off for the next man up wasn't big. Since 2007 he's had HOF talent, whether it be Moss, Welker or Gronk, and when he doesn't have it, he looks lost since he has played favorites and failed to develop a rapport with the non-star WRs/TEs.
To me, that is on Brady because he's leaned too heavily on the great skills of those players, ignoring others, and making it very easy on himself during the season.
It's exactly why he's lost those brilliant, but subtle QB skills he basically invented here with BB/Weis earlier in his career. Weis must be shaking his head watching Brady in January nowadays.
The simple concept of hitting a checkdown is something he refuses to do, for example. When was the last time an RB was blocking on a pass play and he swung it out to the RB into the flat? He just won't do it. He's always looking way down field to make the flashy play.
No one can even name when he used a checkdown to make a play, because it just doesn't anymore.
Losing Gronk or any HOF talent that surrounds Brady is clearly a factor and unfortunate, but it's also a major excuse. If Brady lost a favorite weapon say like a Branch back in the day, it wouldn't compromise him or the team's chances of winning. He would never play favorites back in the day.
Since blowing up at BB after the 2006 season and demanding all world talent at WR and TE, he's gotten as much as any QB in the league overall, but he's let the team done himself as much as any player on the team.
Stop making excuses and just call it like it is. The best move ever, moving forward for Brady to find himself again in the postseason was taking away the addiction known as Welker.