WILFORK: Franchise & Trade = Better Deal 4 Pats?

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    WILFORK: Franchise & Trade = Better Deal 4 Pats?

     Now that the Pats have slapped the NON Exclusive tag on Big Vince ...What do u think's best for Pats Org :
     Meeting him halfway and ponyin' up 25 - 30 Mil gaurenteed , or gettin' another team to sign him away and snag draft picks ?

    * - Note - there is next to no chance that another team will pay the two 1st rounders that league rules call for - but typically negotiations go on where as the two teams get together on a trade ( 1st and 3rd ? )
     
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    Re: WILFORK: Franchise & Trade = Better Deal 4 Pats?

    I say pay him as long as it can get done in the range you mentioned, otherwise let him go... I think they can get it done for that amount.
     
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    Re: WILFORK: Franchise & Trade = Better Deal 4 Pats?

    Just pay the guy. You had a motivated soldier and coolaide drinker in VW. Because you had to play games you now you have a disgruntled employee. Admit your mistake and pay the guy. he's EARNED it !!
     
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    Just pay the guy. You had a motivated soldier and coolaide drinker in VW. Because you had to play games you now you have a disgruntled employee. Admit your mistake and pay the guy. he's EARNED it !!
    Posted by justme2

     I could not have said it any better. Pay the guy.
     
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    Re: WILFORK: Franchise & Trade = Better Deal 4 Pats?

    Pay the man. Or trade him for 1st this year and maybe 3rd/4th next year. No future picks please!
     
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    Re: WILFORK: Franchise & Trade = Better Deal 4 Pats?

    Pay him!

     
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    Re: WILFORK: Franchise & Trade = Better Deal 4 Pats?

    PAY VINCE.....PAY VINCE,.....PAY VINCE............He is a company man, and deserves at least some money over!!!!!!!!
     
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    who cares.
     
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    Pay him.... He played out his 6 yr deal, he is the TOP DT in NFL....  We Just seen what Ron Brace can do in middle, backwards roller skate, side to side.... What good is it for NE to get all these high picks only to trade them down for marginal talent in draft... Seems to be the norm now
     
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    Re: WILFORK: Franchise & Trade = Better Deal 4 Pats?

    We don't know how much he is asking for. If he wants 40 mil guarantee, then no. 25-30, then its doable. Rumor has it that he was guaranteed 23 mil and he said no. Ship him to Tampa for 2nd this year and 1st next. Or to Buffalo for 1st this yr and 2nd next. I would prefer Tampa, we dont face them often. We will have a 1st, and four second rounders. NExt year 3 first rounders! With ammo like these, we can move up and down as much as we like, or give a second for Boldin.
     
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    In Response to Re: WILFORK: Franchise & Trade = Better Deal 4 Pats?:
    We don't know how much he is asking for. If he wants 40 mil guarantee, then no. 25-30, then its doable. Rumor has it that he was guaranteed 23 mil and he said no. Ship him to Tampa for 2nd this year and 1st next. Or to Buffalo for 1st this yr and 2nd next. I would prefer Tampa, we dont face them often. We will have a 1st, and four second rounders. NExt year 3 first rounders! With ammo like these, we can move up and down as much as we like, or give a second for Boldin.
    Posted by bmadmax81


    The 40 mill figure would sound accurate to me based on past deals.  I don't understand why some fans think the 23 mill rumor was something ridiculous, if anything it's probably the starting point for Vince.  I have no doubt the Pats offered Vince something in the vicinity and Vince said no.
     
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    Russgris... I like that idea, throw in Chester Taylor, Antrolle rolle, and Antonio Pierce...
     
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    Re: WILFORK: Franchise & Trade = Better Deal 4 Pats?

    I see the Pats assigning the tag this way:

    Vince has more time to gauge his market value and the Pats can take that information and decide whether they think he's worth what other teams are willing to pay.  Maybe Vince tempers his expectations after gauging his market value across the league, maybe he goes nuts and demands a trade if he learns he is being low-balled. 

    I can't believe that some team would give up two #1's for him, and I doubt the Pats are gonna break the bank to re-sign him.  The non exclusive tag lets both sides try to find middle ground, and hopefully that gets Vince back here.       
     
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    you can blame the likes of the raiders and redskins for some of the big money demands.they pay players who are not that great huge money,and when great players see this.they know they should at least get that much.
     
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    I still don't see anyone (Pryor and Brace included) playing the nose in the 3-4 as good as Fork. So yeah they have to pay him. Or trade up for McCoy or Mount Cody and draft them. Also not likely to happen.
     
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    You cant just say pay the man... If you get 4 years of good cable tv service, and the 5th year they want you to pay $100 per month, would you pay it??
    It will all depend on how much he wants and how much the pats are willing to give, if its far apart, he will be traded..
    I am just gonna guess that he will be traded for a 1st this year w/ an addiotional 2nd or 3rd depending on where the team is drafting.
     
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    Re: WILFORK: Franchise & Trade = Better Deal 4 Pats?

    First things first,see if a deal can be made between the team and Fork,if not then of course he gets traded. I think even Bianca Wilfork can read those words. A first and 2 seconds would be adequate compensation (one second this year and a second next year) the first this year!
     
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    Re: WILFORK: Franchise & Trade = Better Deal 4 Pats?

    INTERESTING VOTE TALLEY ( currently 24 to 23 in favor of giving him the $$$ ) .


      I understand that the Pats ultimate goal of "winning their last game " hasn't been realized since '05 , but I still believe that the Pats do a better job of managing their assets than any other NFL team . 
      Being successful in the NFL has been steadily evolving into the ability to solve three distinctly different pieces of the puzzle :
     A)  Ability to compete on the field 
     B ) Ability to manage the funds that supply the talent to maintain the above
     C ) Recognizing College talent and succesfully aquiring

      If there's an area where I think the Pats have lagged it's clearly in the Draft .

     What concerns me most is not that key personnel are dealt away when their financial demands aren't met ( I love the combo of fiscal restraint & draft stock piling ) , it's that the Pats recent track record of early round picks isn't stellar. I think we all agree that BB has done a much beter job of using his draft cache to aquire proven talent ( Moss / Welker ) than recognizing college talent .
       Personally I'm torn on the "Vince Situation " .
       He's been a true Patriot and deserves respect and a sizable raise  ~
    but if it means we don't have the funds to pay for other much needed talent ...?

    ALSO - Statistics show the NFL continues to morph into a PASSING LEAGUE .
          The most important D Line emphasis now is on the ability to put pressure on the opposing Qb  , where as in decades past it seemed to be to stuff the run and force em to pass ( The Saints won the SB despite a so-so run stopping unit ...in part because of their ability to put pressure on opposing Qbs and force game changing mistakes ... cough , cough ,...gag ...Wassup Peyton )

       IF THIS WAS 10 YEARS AGO ~ I'd say " Pay him whatever he wants " , but I now believe it's probably more important to aquire "Pass defenders " ( Pass rush specialists /Athetic linebackers / big play D-backs )

     
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    Re: WILFORK: Franchise & Trade = Better Deal 4 Pats?

    ps - If WILFORK isn't payed ...

    My wish list of where to spend $$$ :

    BOLDIN  (rare combo of Monster Abilty / Heart )
    BRACKETT ( Plays bigger than his size ALSO = dagger to heart of Colts D )
    D SHARPER ( Big Play Maker / Brandon "U-Turn " Merriweather needs guidance )
     
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    Re: WILFORK: Franchise & Trade = Better Deal 4 Pats?

    The Pats are playing a dangerous game. While it is promising the two sides seem like they've made progress based on the tone, the deal has to get done before another team makes an offer, the sooner the better, and certainly before the draft.

    I do think there is a chance another team would surrender a pair of firsts for VW.  Take for instance Indy, they need a DT bad.  The good ones will be gone by #31.  For them to give up #31 this year and likely another late first next year isn't as big a deal for them as a team picking higher.  For Indy it's like giving up a pair of 2nds for a PROVEN stud DT ready to come in day 1 and help them to the top.  Having VW vs. a rookie is no contest.

    Now, if you're a team like STL or DET, signing VW is also not a bad idea.  Why, because they avoid the extreme cost of a top pick.  They avoid the possible bust factor and the contract for the top two picks in the draft is likely not much different than the contract for VW.  The downside is giving up that 2011 high pick when there will likely be a rookie cap.  But to have immediate help now, could be attractive to some teams. 

    It could also make sense for KC at #5.  Why, they need a DT and have two second round picks.  Pioli is there and already has shown a comfort level with players he knows.  It doesn't make as much sense for teams picking between 5-20 to take VW because contracts for those picks are reasonable and talented DTs like Williams, Odrick and Price are there.

    So, if I'm the Pats, I get this deal done ASAP so we can then go after Peppers (especially if $10MM a year is the right range now as reported).  We can go after Peppers starting March 5 but you don't want to poison the well with VW first.
     
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    Re: WILFORK: Franchise & Trade = Better Deal 4 Pats?

    The need to pay him.  Humans his size are rare.  Humans who reach his size and can muster enough strength, balance, agility and endurance to play in the NFL rarely develop.  He's also really smart, on and off the field and aside from discussing his contract, he's not a distraction.  He's a positive force in the locker room. 

    Having a DT like Wilfork allows the Pats to play the 3-4 with a line that plays more like a 4 person line.  Having Wilfork is like having an extra body on the field.  He's the anchor on a rebuilding defense.  If you don't rebuild around him and Mayo, who do you build around?  It would be nice to have some life long Patriots (aside from Brady) in that system of mercenaries.
     
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    Re: WILFORK: Franchise & Trade = Better Deal 4 Pats?

    There are nine quality D-linemen in this years draft,I love the Fork but if the money isn't team friendly take the draft choices and move on! The Patriots need a OLB/DE too rush the Passer! They have a younger version of Vince on this team in Pryor and maybe Brace catches his wind and realizes his potential,I know these are big ifs but it is what it is! Money constraints are going to hold every team back until they no the lay of the land post 2010. I also know that everyone is afraid of the Colts grabbing him,but thats not going to happen he's not the type of player that their Defense is predicated upon,they are a speed team defense,and what part of speed do you see in The Fork? If the Patriots take the picks they just simply draft Mt.Cody he's even bigger than Wilfork!!!
     
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    Re: WILFORK: Franchise & Trade = Better Deal 4 Pats?

    I'm guessing Wilfork thinks he's worth close to Haynesworth money.  He'll find out he's not, and then he might be willing to talk real numbers with the Pats.
     
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    Re: WILFORK: Franchise & Trade = Better Deal 4 Pats?

    Apparently KRAFT has decided to open up the checkbook
     
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