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    208? Dont think so, but I hope he runs for enough to win the game and knock NY out of the playoffs.

     
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    He's a great running back but I am not even convinced he is better than Dickerson. ED was the offense for several playoff teams that were quarterbacked by some below average QB's.

     
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    He's a great running back but I am not even convinced he is better than Dickerson. ED was the offense for several playoff teams that were quarterbacked by some below average QB's.



    Each is very similar in style. IN fact, I have a buddy who is a Vikes fan (two actually) and he made fun of my analysis on Peterson comparing him to Dickerson. They run the same. I suggested his running style won't have him long in this league. Voila, he blows out a leg last year. That will be the first of many breakdowns for him. He takes a major pounding and is too expensive.

    Smartest move they could EVER make is to deal him while his stock is sky high and avoid having to cave into a new contract for him.  They won't win a SB with an RB making 15 mil per. Ain't happening.




    I agree you can't win with that team but what can they do without AP. Their defense is not half bad. They need more playmakers than AD and Harvin. The jury is still out on Ponder but it's not looking good right now. Drafting that Stanford running back a few years ago looks like a really bad pick right now. They are in a real bind right now. Seattle made a mistake re-signing Sean Alexander after his MVP award a few years ago but can you imagine the outcry if they let the MVP walk with Ponder as the starting QB. Seattle could get by with Hasselback at least if they had made the tough decision you reccomend (which is probably the correct decision in the long run). I don't know their stadium situation right now but letting AP go before having a stadium approved would be a big mistake.

     
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    Best Ever is soooooo hard. Jim Brown dominated his era more than any RB ever has. He was averaging about 100 yards per game for his career and had a perfect blend of power and speed.

    Sayers was amazing and had more power than the casual fan even at that time might have realized. And his combination of moves, quickness and speed were showcased not only as a RB but as a punt and KO returner.

    I am not sure I ever saw a more powerful back whose top speed was as fast as a DB as Earl Campbell. In his prime he might be THE greatest back ever. As much power as Czonka (Bettis, etc.) and as much top speed as anyone would need to run 80 yards without being caught.

    Bo Jackson will always be the ghost hanging over any discussion. With football as a "hobby" after baseball season he was like Campbell and Brown in that he had a great combination of speed and power but in his case his speed was off the charts. More like Chris Johnson speed! Truly amazing back. HE is the IF... If he had had even half of a career my money would be on Bo as THE BEST EVER. But we will never know for sure.

    Walter Peyton was perhaps the least gifted of all the greatest of the great backs. But he had enormous determination. More than that, he had a great blend of instincts and quickness and power. Together these three elements either made a defensive player miss or not get enough of a direct hit to stop him. And sometimes direct hits were not enough to overcome his stregnth and toughness. He was also a great blocker and dependable and dangerous receiver.

    Marshall Faulk was perhaps the best at combining running skills and receiving skills (sort of like an even better version of Lenny Moore who played for the Colts in the late 50s through much of the 60s). Great receiver. Good power. Great, great quickness. Good speed. Tremendous instincts. Many here are familiar with Kevin Faulk, his cousin. Marshall was like everything Kevin was but at a higher level. Especially in top speed. As an all purppose back you could make the case for Marshall Faulk as the best all purpose back ever (though Sayers makes a case if you look for punt and kick off returning more than receiving).

    Eric Dickerson was a bit like Peterson in that he prefered to run north and south but had good open field moves, had a high top speed and ran very hard with great power and didnt shrink from using his power. With Dickerson you are talking about a Bo Jackson type in that there is enough speed to overshadow the power that is truly there.

    Peterson is impressive in so many ways. But watch when contact is made. He seems to be slowed down due to contact less than almost anyone I have seen before. Somehow he just seems to keep moving. Not just moving his feet. I mean moving over the ground as if no one has touched him yet. So it seems like he never has to excellerate as much after contact because he never slowed down. When he does excellerate it is almost directly to top speed. And his instincts past the line of scrimage are impeccable.

    Barry Sanders - I guess he is the most amazing RB to watch. Nowhere near the power of this group of RBs. But every run was almost like watching Devin Hester return punts and kick offs. No matter where the play was designed to go, if the line didnt create the hole Sanders might end up anywhere on the field running circles around the entire D. If you never saw any of these RBs run Sanders is THE one to watch. How did he do that???

    There are some others who could be mentioned. OJ Simpson. John Riggins. Marion Motley. Emmit Smith, etc. I may have overlooked someone in speaking off the cuff but the above group is the group to talk about. It is hard to say who is THE best ever. And what talents do you include? How important is power when you are Barry Sanders. But why not have both power and speed as with Bo, or Jim Brown, or Peterson or Dickerson or Campbell... How important is their receiving ability? In todays league the passing game is sooo critically important. So a guy like Marshall Faulk could be devastating in both the passing and running game and so be that much more valuable. Imagine Faulk playing with Brady (as his cousin did) or with Peyton Manning! Or a guy like Sayers who could give you Hester like production as a returner too!

    If you want an all purpose back I would say Marshall Faulk.

    If you want pure talent where speed and power and just plain greatness carrying the ball at the peak of their abilities and are not worried about their numbers lifetime (at all) then Bo Jackson or, if his time is just too limited for you to feel OK about it, then Earl Campbell.

    If you want how much they dominated above and beyond their peers then Jim Brown.

    If you want the most dangerous then Barry Sanders.

    If you want power, speed and lifetime statistics then perhaps Dickerson.

    We will see about Peterson but he is certainly a viable choice - you can make a case for him now.

     

     
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    GB is not locked into the 2 seed. If they lose, SF or SEA has a chance to grab it

     
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    Best Ever is soooooo hard. Jim Brown dominated his era more than any RB ever has. He was averaging about 100 yards per game for his career and had a perfect blend of power and speed.

    Sayers was amazing and had more power than the casual fan even at that time might have realized. And his combination of moves, quickness and speed were showcased not only as a RB but as a punt and KO returner.

    I am not sure I ever saw a more powerful back whose top speed was as fast as a DB as Earl Campbell. In his prime he might be THE greatest back ever. As much power as Czonka (Bettis, etc.) and as much top speed as anyone would need to run 80 yards without being caught.

    Bo Jackson will always be the ghost hanging over any discussion. With football as a "hobby" after baseball season he was like Campbell and Brown in that he had a great combination of speed and power but in his case his speed was off the charts. More like Chris Johnson speed! Truly amazing back. HE is the IF... If he had had even half of a career my money would be on Bo as THE BEST EVER. But we will never know for sure.

    Walter Peyton was perhaps the least gifted of all the greatest of the great backs. But he had enormous determination. More than that, he had a great blend of instincts and quickness and power. Together these three elements either made a defensive player miss or not get enough of a direct hit to stop him. And sometimes direct hits were not enough to overcome his stregnth and toughness. He was also a great blocker and dependable and dangerous receiver.

    Marshall Faulk was perhaps the best at combining running skills and receiving skills (sort of like an even better version of Lenny Moore who played for the Colts in the late 50s through much of the 60s). Great receiver. Good power. Great, great quickness. Good speed. Tremendous instincts. Many here are familiar with Kevin Faulk, his cousin. Marshall was like everything Kevin was but at a higher level. Especially in top speed. As an all purppose back you could make the case for Marshall Faulk as the best all purpose back ever (though Sayers makes a case if you look for punt and kick off returning more than receiving).

    Eric Dickerson was a bit like Peterson in that he prefered to run north and south but had good open field moves, had a high top speed and ran very hard with great power and didnt shrink from using his power. With Dickerson you are talking about a Bo Jackson type in that there is enough speed to overshadow the power that is truly there.

    Peterson is impressive in so many ways. But watch when contact is made. He seems to be slowed down due to contact less than almost anyone I have seen before. Somehow he just seems to keep moving. Not just moving his feet. I mean moving over the ground as if no one has touched him yet. So it seems like he never has to excellerate as much after contact because he never slowed down. When he does excellerate it is almost directly to top speed. And his instincts past the line of scrimage are impeccable.

    Barry Sanders - I guess he is the most amazing RB to watch. Nowhere near the power of this group of RBs. But every run was almost like watching Devin Hester return punts and kick offs. No matter where the play was designed to go, if the line didnt create the hole Sanders might end up anywhere on the field running circles around the entire D. If you never saw any of these RBs run Sanders is THE one to watch. How did he do that???

    There are some others who could be mentioned. OJ Simpson. John Riggins. Marion Motley. Emmit Smith, etc. I may have overlooked someone in speaking off the cuff but the above group is the group to talk about. It is hard to say who is THE best ever. And what talents do you include? How important is power when you are Barry Sanders. But why not have both power and speed as with Bo, or Jim Brown, or Peterson or Dickerson or Campbell... How important is their receiving ability? In todays league the passing game is sooo critically important. So a guy like Marshall Faulk could be devastating in both the passing and running game and so be that much more valuable. Imagine Faulk playing with Brady (as his cousin did) or with Peyton Manning! Or a guy like Sayers who could give you Hester like production as a returner too!

    If you want an all purpose back I would say Marshall Faulk.

    If you want pure talent where speed and power and just plain greatness carrying the ball at the peak of their abilities and are not worried about their numbers lifetime (at all) then Bo Jackson or, if his time is just too limited for you to feel OK about it, then Earl Campbell.

    If you want how much they dominated above and beyond their peers then Jim Brown.

    If you want the most dangerous then Barry Sanders.

    If you want power, speed and lifetime statistics then perhaps Dickerson.

    We will see about Peterson but he is certainly a viable choice - you can make a case for him now.

     



    Great post! I disagree on the Bo Jackson stuff though. He was a very talented back who's commercials seem to make his career better than it actually was. He was never considered the best back in the NFL while he was playing. He had those amazing 90 yard runs but he was generally a back up behind Marcus Allen. He may have been one of the greats if he hadn't of gotten hurt but i always have felt he was an overrated NFL player. A great talent who had explosive speed but Thurman Thomas was a much better player at that time especially at catching the  football.

     
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    208? Dont think so, but I hope he runs for enough to win the game and knock NY out of the playoffs.




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    Best Ever is soooooo hard. Jim Brown dominated his era more than any RB ever has. He was averaging about 100 yards per game for his career and had a perfect blend of power and speed.

    Sayers was amazing and had more power than the casual fan even at that time might have realized. And his combination of moves, quickness and speed were showcased not only as a RB but as a punt and KO returner.

    I am not sure I ever saw a more powerful back whose top speed was as fast as a DB as Earl Campbell. In his prime he might be THE greatest back ever. As much power as Czonka (Bettis, etc.) and as much top speed as anyone would need to run 80 yards without being caught.

    Bo Jackson will always be the ghost hanging over any discussion. With football as a "hobby" after baseball season he was like Campbell and Brown in that he had a great combination of speed and power but in his case his speed was off the charts. More like Chris Johnson speed! Truly amazing back. HE is the IF... If he had had even half of a career my money would be on Bo as THE BEST EVER. But we will never know for sure.

    Walter Peyton was perhaps the least gifted of all the greatest of the great backs. But he had enormous determination. More than that, he had a great blend of instincts and quickness and power. Together these three elements either made a defensive player miss or not get enough of a direct hit to stop him. And sometimes direct hits were not enough to overcome his stregnth and toughness. He was also a great blocker and dependable and dangerous receiver.

    Marshall Faulk was perhaps the best at combining running skills and receiving skills (sort of like an even better version of Lenny Moore who played for the Colts in the late 50s through much of the 60s). Great receiver. Good power. Great, great quickness. Good speed. Tremendous instincts. Many here are familiar with Kevin Faulk, his cousin. Marshall was like everything Kevin was but at a higher level. Especially in top speed. As an all purppose back you could make the case for Marshall Faulk as the best all purpose back ever (though Sayers makes a case if you look for punt and kick off returning more than receiving).

    Eric Dickerson was a bit like Peterson in that he prefered to run north and south but had good open field moves, had a high top speed and ran very hard with great power and didnt shrink from using his power. With Dickerson you are talking about a Bo Jackson type in that there is enough speed to overshadow the power that is truly there.

    Peterson is impressive in so many ways. But watch when contact is made. He seems to be slowed down due to contact less than almost anyone I have seen before. Somehow he just seems to keep moving. Not just moving his feet. I mean moving over the ground as if no one has touched him yet. So it seems like he never has to excellerate as much after contact because he never slowed down. When he does excellerate it is almost directly to top speed. And his instincts past the line of scrimage are impeccable.

    Barry Sanders - I guess he is the most amazing RB to watch. Nowhere near the power of this group of RBs. But every run was almost like watching Devin Hester return punts and kick offs. No matter where the play was designed to go, if the line didnt create the hole Sanders might end up anywhere on the field running circles around the entire D. If you never saw any of these RBs run Sanders is THE one to watch. How did he do that???

    There are some others who could be mentioned. OJ Simpson. John Riggins. Marion Motley. Emmit Smith, etc. I may have overlooked someone in speaking off the cuff but the above group is the group to talk about. It is hard to say who is THE best ever. And what talents do you include? How important is power when you are Barry Sanders. But why not have both power and speed as with Bo, or Jim Brown, or Peterson or Dickerson or Campbell... How important is their receiving ability? In todays league the passing game is sooo critically important. So a guy like Marshall Faulk could be devastating in both the passing and running game and so be that much more valuable. Imagine Faulk playing with Brady (as his cousin did) or with Peyton Manning! Or a guy like Sayers who could give you Hester like production as a returner too!

    If you want an all purpose back I would say Marshall Faulk.

    If you want pure talent where speed and power and just plain greatness carrying the ball at the peak of their abilities and are not worried about their numbers lifetime (at all) then Bo Jackson or, if his time is just too limited for you to feel OK about it, then Earl Campbell.

    If you want how much they dominated above and beyond their peers then Jim Brown.

    If you want the most dangerous then Barry Sanders.

    If you want power, speed and lifetime statistics then perhaps Dickerson.

    We will see about Peterson but he is certainly a viable choice - you can make a case for him now.

     



    Great post! I disagree on the Bo Jackson stuff though. He was a very talented back who's commercials seem to make his career better than it actually was. He was never considered the best back in the NFL while he was playing. He had those amazing 90 yard runs but he was generally a back up behind Marcus Allen. He may have been one of the greats if he hadn't of gotten hurt but i always have felt he was an overrated NFL player. A great talent who had explosive speed but Thurman Thomas was a much better player at that time especially at catching the  football.



    Actually, ALlen started the season but after baseball season when Jackson showed up he got on the field. He averaged 73 yards a game and 5.4 yards per carry. He did it with no preseason and after playing 162 game baseball season. Actually, when he played, in that very very short time, pretty much everyone around the league thought he was clearly the best RB in the game and were all but ready to compare him to the best running backs ever. Most (not just fans) were amazed at what he could do and did do after a long baseball season, no getting into "football" shape, no preseason, and just stepping onto the field.

    Compare his 73.2 yards per game and 5.4 yards per carry to Thomas' 66.3 yards per game and 4.2 yards per carry. It is hard to know what Jackson's numbers would have been had he only played football and so played full seasons with a preseason, preparation etc. Would he have not been able to take the load? Would his numbers have fallen off? I really really doubt his numbers would have not been exceptional but there is no way to prove it. All I can say is how well he ran on plays that were not those big runs you mentioned... He clearly had great power.  He used it on a lot of runs. He clearly was one of the fastest players in the league at any position. And it translated into what he did running the ball....

    I do agree that Thurman THomas was a talented all purpose back and certainly had the on field proof of his running and receiving skills. But just as a runner Thomas didn't ahve anywhere near that kind fo power and Jackson was the fastest back in the league. Just on running skills/talent Jackson is up there. Thomas was good but not an all time great for just his running skills. Perhaps you could make a case for him as an all purpose back but I think he just falls too short on not having either truly great explosiveness or power. Better than Kevin Faulk because he was goodenough to be your feature back - not as good as Marshall because he was not nearly as explosive. But still one of the best of his era.

    I guess we will disagree about Jackson.

     
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    208? Dont think so, but I hope he runs for enough to win the game and knock NY out of the playoffs.




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    Are you really that much of a Bozo? The Gints suck. THey will finish at 9-7. Gee, what a record. Just amazing. The league is quaking in their boots for them just like they do for the Jets. Face it. The Gints have lost so many games no one has to knock them out. THey do it to themselves because they jut cannot be lucky all the time. They are just nothing special.

     
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    methinks AD will go for 215 yards on sunday. green bay isnt playing for much. they are locked in to the 2 seed no matter what (i believe).. plus minny will be pumped to play and rally around AD. i was watching nfl network earlier comparing the game play sheets of the various teams.. jason garrett had like a 20 by 20 sheet in his hand, josh has a huge one and on and on.. minny's guy has a like a 3 by 5 index card. he must suffer from size envy..  i think AD is the second best RB i have ever seen, after BO JACKSON.. of course anecdotally jim brown is likely the best but i never saw him live on TV. bo jackson was the rock of football ( the most electrifying man i ever saw..period!)... more so than barry sanders or ED himself.. every time he touched the ball he seemed to go for positive yards and was a lways a threatto break one. he could block, catch, do it all... think he even threw a TD or 2 along the way. minus his me-only tude, ED is in there as well around #5.




    considering what he is doing after such a serious injury-and the fact that he came back faster than expected as well-might make this the greatest single season any RB has ever had, whether he breaks the record or not

    also more amazing when u realize that the QB scares no one and he is usually game-planned for going against a stacked box-remarkable on every level

    best i ever saw was probably barry sanders-his heisman year at okla st was unreal

     
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    208? Dont think so, but I hope he runs for enough to win the game and knock NY out of the playoffs.




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    Are you really that much of a Bozo? The Gints suck. THey will finish at 9-7. Gee, what a record. Just amazing. The league is quaking in their boots for them just like they do for the Jets. Face it. The Gints have lost so many games no one has to knock them out. THey do it to themselves because they jut cannot be lucky all the time. They are just nothing special.




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    The Gints are not even going to the playoffs and you pound your chest like a jets fan.

    Come back when the Gints are good enough to make the playoffs... to actually be playing in a game. It is hard to be worried about the Gints when they are playing as many plaoff games as KC or the Jets. Get real. The whole league is your daddy. Maybe you will be better next year... I wouldnt hold your breath.

     
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    Best Ever is soooooo hard. Jim Brown dominated his era more than any RB ever has. He was averaging about 100 yards per game for his career and had a perfect blend of power and speed.

    Sayers was amazing and had more power than the casual fan even at that time might have realized. And his combination of moves, quickness and speed were showcased not only as a RB but as a punt and KO returner.

    I am not sure I ever saw a more powerful back whose top speed was as fast as a DB as Earl Campbell. In his prime he might be THE greatest back ever. As much power as Czonka (Bettis, etc.) and as much top speed as anyone would need to run 80 yards without being caught.

    Bo Jackson will always be the ghost hanging over any discussion. With football as a "hobby" after baseball season he was like Campbell and Brown in that he had a great combination of speed and power but in his case his speed was off the charts. More like Chris Johnson speed! Truly amazing back. HE is the IF... If he had had even half of a career my money would be on Bo as THE BEST EVER. But we will never know for sure.

    Walter Peyton was perhaps the least gifted of all the greatest of the great backs. But he had enormous determination. More than that, he had a great blend of instincts and quickness and power. Together these three elements either made a defensive player miss or not get enough of a direct hit to stop him. And sometimes direct hits were not enough to overcome his stregnth and toughness. He was also a great blocker and dependable and dangerous receiver.

    Marshall Faulk was perhaps the best at combining running skills and receiving skills (sort of like an even better version of Lenny Moore who played for the Colts in the late 50s through much of the 60s). Great receiver. Good power. Great, great quickness. Good speed. Tremendous instincts. Many here are familiar with Kevin Faulk, his cousin. Marshall was like everything Kevin was but at a higher level. Especially in top speed. As an all purppose back you could make the case for Marshall Faulk as the best all purpose back ever (though Sayers makes a case if you look for punt and kick off returning more than receiving).

    Eric Dickerson was a bit like Peterson in that he prefered to run north and south but had good open field moves, had a high top speed and ran very hard with great power and didnt shrink from using his power. With Dickerson you are talking about a Bo Jackson type in that there is enough speed to overshadow the power that is truly there.

    Peterson is impressive in so many ways. But watch when contact is made. He seems to be slowed down due to contact less than almost anyone I have seen before. Somehow he just seems to keep moving. Not just moving his feet. I mean moving over the ground as if no one has touched him yet. So it seems like he never has to excellerate as much after contact because he never slowed down. When he does excellerate it is almost directly to top speed. And his instincts past the line of scrimage are impeccable.

    Barry Sanders - I guess he is the most amazing RB to watch. Nowhere near the power of this group of RBs. But every run was almost like watching Devin Hester return punts and kick offs. No matter where the play was designed to go, if the line didnt create the hole Sanders might end up anywhere on the field running circles around the entire D. If you never saw any of these RBs run Sanders is THE one to watch. How did he do that???

    There are some others who could be mentioned. OJ Simpson. John Riggins. Marion Motley. Emmit Smith, etc. I may have overlooked someone in speaking off the cuff but the above group is the group to talk about. It is hard to say who is THE best ever. And what talents do you include? How important is power when you are Barry Sanders. But why not have both power and speed as with Bo, or Jim Brown, or Peterson or Dickerson or Campbell... How important is their receiving ability? In todays league the passing game is sooo critically important. So a guy like Marshall Faulk could be devastating in both the passing and running game and so be that much more valuable. Imagine Faulk playing with Brady (as his cousin did) or with Peyton Manning! Or a guy like Sayers who could give you Hester like production as a returner too!

    If you want an all purpose back I would say Marshall Faulk.

    If you want pure talent where speed and power and just plain greatness carrying the ball at the peak of their abilities and are not worried about their numbers lifetime (at all) then Bo Jackson or, if his time is just too limited for you to feel OK about it, then Earl Campbell.

    If you want how much they dominated above and beyond their peers then Jim Brown.

    If you want the most dangerous then Barry Sanders.

    If you want power, speed and lifetime statistics then perhaps Dickerson.

    We will see about Peterson but he is certainly a viable choice - you can make a case for him now.

     



    Great post! I disagree on the Bo Jackson stuff though. He was a very talented back who's commercials seem to make his career better than it actually was. He was never considered the best back in the NFL while he was playing. He had those amazing 90 yard runs but he was generally a back up behind Marcus Allen. He may have been one of the greats if he hadn't of gotten hurt but i always have felt he was an overrated NFL player. A great talent who had explosive speed but Thurman Thomas was a much better player at that time especially at catching the  football.



    Actually, ALlen started the season but after baseball season when Jackson showed up he got on the field. He averaged 73 yards a game and 5.4 yards per carry. He did it with no preseason and after playing 162 game baseball season. Actually, when he played, in that very very short time, pretty much everyone around the league thought he was clearly the best RB in the game and were all but ready to compare him to the best running backs ever. Most (not just fans) were amazed at what he could do and did do after a long baseball season, no getting into "football" shape, no preseason, and just stepping onto the field.

    Compare his 73.2 yards per game and 5.4 yards per carry to Thomas' 66.3 yards per game and 4.2 yards per carry. It is hard to know what Jackson's numbers would have been had he only played football and so played full seasons with a preseason, preparation etc. Would he have not been able to take the load? Would his numbers have fallen off? I really really doubt his numbers would have not been exceptional but there is no way to prove it. All I can say is how well he ran on plays that were not those big runs you mentioned... He clearly had great power.  He used it on a lot of runs. He clearly was one of the fastest players in the league at any position. And it translated into what he did running the ball....

    I do agree that Thurman THomas was a talented all purpose back and certainly had the on field proof of his running and receiving skills. But just as a runner Thomas didn't ahve anywhere near that kind fo power and Jackson was the fastest back in the league. Just on running skills/talent Jackson is up there. Thomas was good but not an all time great for just his running skills. Perhaps you could make a case for him as an all purpose back but I think he just falls too short on not having either truly great explosiveness or power. Better than Kevin Faulk because he was goodenough to be your feature back - not as good as Marshall because he was not nearly as explosive. But still one of the best of his era.

    I guess we will disagree about Jackson.



    Are you sure about Jackson starting over Allen (I know the cliche that it's not about who starts but who finishes). Pro football referance has Allen starting 15 games for the Raiders in 1990 and Bo Jackson starting zero. It could be a typo because i have seen mistakes there in the past though. I agree that Faulk is better than Thomas but in the late 1980's I feel Thomas was the best all around back before Emmit Smith broke through. I have always felt that Hershel Walker was just as talented as Bo Jackson but his commercials weren't as funny and therefore he is forgotten.

     
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    208? Dont think so, but I hope he runs for enough to win the game and knock NY out of the playoffs.




    if you cant beat 'em get someone else to do it :  )




    Are you really that much of a Bozo? The Gints suck. THey will finish at 9-7. Gee, what a record. Just amazing. The league is quaking in their boots for them just like they do for the Jets. Face it. The Gints have lost so many games no one has to knock them out. THey do it to themselves because they jut cannot be lucky all the time. They are just nothing special.




    translation: you got nothing

    100 years from now porto-potty history will be the same-you really ought to make peace with it or it'll just keep eating you up inside-let 42 and 46 go bro

    i am only concerned for ur well-being here you know-i am like that  :  )




    The Gints are not even going to the playoffs and you pound your chest like a jets fan.

    Come back when the Gints are good enough to make the playoffs... to actually be playing in a game. It is hard to be worried about the Gints when they are playing as many plaoff games as KC or the Jets. Get real. The whole league is your daddy. Maybe you will be better next year... I wouldnt hold your breath.




    such bitterness! i say go decaf from now on

     

     
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    Foolish post, only because we know Laura Maroney is the best back evahhhh

     
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    Re: will AD beat ED's record? is he the best you have ever seen?

    In all seriousness, although it would be an extreme accomplishment, I don't see Peterson breaking the rushing record.  208 is a lot of yards to gain despite the fact GB's Run D isn't anything special.  I could definitely see him having a huge game as AD is basically Minny's offense and they're playing for their playoff lives.  I guess we'll see.

     

    Best ever, though?  Nah.  I'd have to go with Barry Sanders in a landslide. 

    Now if we were talking best comeback from a devastating injury? No doubt.  AD wears that crown.  I still think he should get MVP; he has single-handedly carried that offense all year and to do that in a QB league is simply remarkable.

     
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    I think it's a very very long shot to think a back can start a game and get over two hundred yards, so I don't think he'll be breaking this record. Even if GB is not playing for anything, it's still something hard to do...if GB decides to put 8 in the box the entire game it'll be real tough.

    Peterson the best I've seen? I don't know, he's pretty darn good. I alway liked watching Barry Sanders, but he didn't have a lot of power. Emmit was a product of his line. Curtis Martin was good at everything, but he didn't have as much speed or power as Peterson. LT was pretty darn good in his prime and as much as I can't stand him, he deserves to be mentioned with the top guys. I liked watching Eddie George when he was young...same type of upright runner as Peterson, but really none of them could do what Peterson does. I'd have to say Peterson is the best...he's pretty much all Minnesota has, yet he can't be stopped. 

     
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    Are you sure about Jackson starting over Allen (I know the cliche that it's not about who starts but who finishes). Pro football referance has Allen starting 15 games for the Raiders in 1990 and Bo Jackson starting zero. It could be a typo because i have seen mistakes there in the past though. I agree that Faulk is better than Thomas but in the late 1980's I feel Thomas was the best all around back before Emmit Smith broke through. I have always felt that Hershel Walker was just as talented as Bo Jackson but his commercials weren't as funny and therefore he is forgotten.

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    Actually I cannot say who was on the field for the first play. I just looked it up and they list him for his four years as starting 5 of 7 games, 9 of 10 games and 9 of 11 games and 0 of 10 games. For each season Jackson never had really big numbers of carries per game played: lifetime he averageed a little over 13 carries a game. One year he averaged about 16 carries a game.

    Besides all the RBs we already mentioned who played in the 80s I also liked Riggins (power and speed though not quite as explosive in either as Campbell) and Roger Craig. I actually think Criag was a little better all purpose back than Thomas but that can be argued either way.

     

     

     
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    Are you sure about Jackson starting over Allen (I know the cliche that it's not about who starts but who finishes). Pro football referance has Allen starting 15 games for the Raiders in 1990 and Bo Jackson starting zero. It could be a typo because i have seen mistakes there in the past though. I agree that Faulk is better than Thomas but in the late 1980's I feel Thomas was the best all around back before Emmit Smith broke through. I have always felt that Hershel Walker was just as talented as Bo Jackson but his commercials weren't as funny and therefore he is forgotten.

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    Actually there are two big differences between Walker and Jackson. Walker was not only a straight ahead runner, he almost ran like he had blonders on. Not a lot of instinct. But smart enough to know that and so rather than dance he used his speed and power and went straight ahead.  Jackson "knew" how to run. And tho both were top speed fast Jackson was both faster (he was not only one of the very fastest players in football, he was one of the very fastest players in baseball - he once hit a standard ground ball to short and was safe ... it was not a slowly hit or bounding ball) and Jackson had greater excelleration.

     
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    Re: will AD beat ED's record? is he the best you have ever seen?

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    I think it's a very very long shot to think a back can start a game and get over two hundred yards, so I don't think he'll be breaking this record. Even if GB is not playing for anything, it's still something hard to do...if GB decides to put 8 in the box the entire game it'll be real tough.

    Peterson the best I've seen? I don't know, he's pretty darn good. I alway liked watching Barry Sanders, but he didn't have a lot of power. Emmit was a product of his line. Curtis Martin was good at everything, but he didn't have as much speed or power as Peterson. LT was pretty darn good in his prime and as much as I can't stand him, he deserves to be mentioned with the top guys. I liked watching Eddie George when he was young...same type of upright runner as Peterson, but really none of them could do what Peterson does. I'd have to say Peterson is the best...he's pretty much all Minnesota has, yet he can't be stopped. 



    that's not fair and a gross overstatement...you don't get 20K only because of your line

    that's like saying babe ruth was a product of the short porch only

     
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