Will Colts Switch Horses in Midstream?

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    I have to admit one thing...peyton manning is good enough to live in Massachusetts...he'll fade away into nothingness living in In-DIE-ana!
     
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    In Response to Re: Will Colts Switch Horses in Midstream? : This post is incredibly related to demonstrating exactly how good Manning is. 
    Posted by UD6


    For the record lets get it straight "This post is incredibly related to demonstrating
    exactly how good Manning WAS."

    Lets hold off on the Brady vs. Manning debate until Brady is done playing.

    In the meantime, since the Colts are destined to be one of the leagues
    doormats for decades to come, maybe there is a Pacers board out there.
     
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    And when Manning has a brand new neck.....
     
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    They should switch horses now. They should have never gotten on the Collins horse to begin with. He is terrible.  
    Posted by zbellino


    yep, the screwer the pooch on selecting Collins.

    Did they get their lone Td in garbage time?
     
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    I am not really sure they knew this.  Plus, Brady'd never been hurt.  Plus Brady was now playing in a way proving that HE was the leader of the team and not the defense (see 2007).

    Sorry, but I call BS.  No coach can absolutely know that an unproven QB who hasn't started a game in 8 years is ready to go.  Won't buy it.
    Belichick absolutely believed Cassel was ready to go; whether he KNEW is another story, but he believed Cassel was ready and proven correct.  The Colts clearly don't have this same belief in Painter, despite his being on the roster for 3 seasons now.  I question whether they would have had the confidence in Sorgi to start him had Manning gone down in '04-'09.

    This comment assumes that the colts haven't tried the same.  They did it with Sorgi and now Painter.  Since there is no crystal ball when a QB goes down, a team just can't know.  Was Cassell or Guiterrez ready in 07?  did you know that Cassell has thrown 4 ints to 1 TD this year.  Does that sound like a QB who is ready?  Shouldn't he be even better today?
    What does Cassel's current season (and 2 games at that) have to do with the price of tea in China?  He also made the Pro Bowl last year with a 27 TD/ 7 INT performance.  That also has nothing to do with whether he as a capable back-up to Brady in 2008.  Based on his 2008 performance, he was.

    And this has what to do with anything?
    It shows the Pats devoting an extra roster spot to an apparent position of strength, because they knew the QB position was that important.  It was a roster spot devoted to developing a QB that they obviously had no intention of seeing the field in '00 (if they thought he was ready, they would've cut their 3rd emergency QB)

    You write as if Painter has been doing anything as a back up since day one, which is obviously incorrect. 
    But that's my point exactly.  He's taking up a roster spot, and nobody knows why.  He's been on the roster for THREE years.  Why don't the Colts know what he can do yet?  Why don't they at least THINK he can be an NFL-caliber QB?  If they even THOUGHT he was, he should be given the nod over Kerry Collins, and been given the opportunity to compete in pre-season.  If they KNEW he wasn't an NFL-caliber QB (which it appears they do), why is he taking up a roster spot?

    My point in all this is that Colts management has been woefully blasé about developing a capable back-up to Manning, and if I were a Colts fan, I would be absolutely furious with the front office.  The Colts philosophy has seemed to be "Our hopes and dreams rest on Manning; if he goes down, nothing we can do about it anyways."  How is that acceptable?

    The Colts have spent 2 6th round draft picks on quarterbacks in the 13 years since Manning was selected.  The Patriots in the 10 years since Brady took the reins have spent 6 draft picks on quarterbacks (including 2 3rds and a 4th).  None of those QBs were thought of as a "successor" to Brady.  Every single one was an insurance policy so the Pats never find themselves in the position the Colts are in now.

    Posted by UD6
     
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    In Response to Re: Will Colts Switch Horses in Midstream? : Did you watch the Eagles' game last night? After Michael Vick went down, Philly as forced to go to their 3rd string QB, Mike Kafka... Posted by TexasPat3
    Well . . .  that's a relief. I had the game on the radio and I thought for a minute they said Franz Kafka was playing quarterback for the Iggs. Now that would have been a "Dream Team".
    Posted by p-mike


    I had the same thought, particularly when they said the Eagles offense would undergo a metamorphosis under Kafka.
 
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    They should, give a 2nd round draft pick to the Bengals for PAlmer.
     
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    In Response to Re: Will Colts Switch Horses in Midstream? :      It's too late for that. Indy has more problems than being Peyton-less. This season is gone for them. Frankly, the best thing they could do now is to enter the "Suck for Luck" sweepstakes. This can be accomplished by suffering with Collins a while longer, and then letting Painter finish the season. 
    Posted by TexasPat3

    Problem is I don't think they will suck as much as KC, but agreed accellerating the rebuilding and having a bad year is better than running in place at .500
     
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    Why do we care about the Colts?  Why do TexasPat3 and UD6 always post in the same threads like clock work?  Are they the same person, seriously?  Just curious.   
     
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    Why do we care about the Colts?  Why do TexasPat3 and UD6 always post in the same threads like clock work?  Are they the same person, seriously?  Just curious.   
    Posted by Duc749Rider

    I would venture that anybody who doesn't care about Manning and the Colts is not a true Pats fan.  Anybody who doesn't even understand the interest DEFINITELY isn't.
     
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    In Response to Re: Will Colts Switch Horses in Midstream? :      For the majority of the past decade, the Colts have been the Patriots' greatest rival. There's also the Manning v. Brady debate, as to which is the better player. Only recently have the Jets replaced Indy as the Pats' top rival.
    Posted by TexasPat3


    ...and only recently has the Manning vs. Brady debate  been settled except for some with extreme cases of delusion.
     
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    In Response to Re: Will Colts Switch Horses in Midstream? :      For the majority of the past decade, the Colts have been the Patriots' greatest rival. There's also the Manning v. Brady debate, as to which is the better player. Only recently have the Jets replaced Indy as the Pats' top rival.
    Posted by TexasPat3


    Debate?????
    Brady 3
    Manning 1

    Brady still playing, Manning done.

    Really, where's the debate.
     
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    In Response to Re: Will Colts Switch Horses in Midstream? :      I'm sure that "The Dog(gggg)" will be willing to engage you, concerning the wonders of the Peyton Manning led Colts...LOL!!!
    Posted by TexasPat3


    I'm sure he will try to twist this the best he can.
    He has been losing alot of credibilty lately.

    Can you imagine posting on a Colts board and
    spewing such BS as he does here.

    I use to enjoy the Colts updates from him because I dont follow that team
    very closely.

    But I guess nobody does, anymore.

    COLTS=IRRELEVANT
     
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    Why would the Colts change QB's now?  They are well on their way of getting what they want, the 1st pick in the draft.
     
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    In Response to Re: Will Colts Switch Horses in Midstream? : It's because he wasn't brought in as a back-up. He was brought in as a panic "ohmygod, Peyton might not be able to play!" move, as a starter.
    You are generally right about this. I think the problem was that they saw that Painter who played with the first stringers in preseason may not be ready.

    When Brady went down in '08, the Pats didn't have to tank the season because they had a very capable back-up in Matt Cassel.
    I am not really sure they knew this. Plus, Brady'd never been hurt. Plus Brady was now playing in a way proving that HE was the leader of the team and not the defense (see 2007).

    Now they have the same in Brian Hoyer. Earlier in the decade they had Damon Huard and Doug Flutie. They also missed on developing some QBs (Rohan Davey, Michael Bishop, Kevin O'Connell). But the point is, they NEVER just ignored the position and prayed for Brady's health.
    Sorry, but I call BS. No coach can absolutely know that an unproven QB who hasn't started a game in 8 years is ready to go. Won't buy it.

    They've constantly been grooming a capable back-up BEFORE it all hits the fan.
    This comment assumes that the colts haven't tried the same. They did it with Sorgi and now Painter. Since there is no crystal ball when a QB goes down, a team just can't know. Was Cassell or Guiterrez ready in 07? did you know that Cassell has thrown 4 ints to 1 TD this year. Does that sound like a QB who is ready? Shouldn't he be even better today?

    Hell, Brady himself was a FOURTH QB in 2000 behind Drew Beldsoe, who, lest we forget, was The Franchise around these parts.
    And this has what to do with anything?

    Manning going down now is actually MUCH more akin to Bledsoe getting crushed in '01 than Brady in '08. Even back then, Belichick knew the value of depth, even behind an all-time great. THAT is why this is an issue with the Colts this year.
    You write as if Painter has been doing anything as a back up since day one, which is obviously incorrect.

    Posted by MattC05

    UD, this is in response of the 4 ints to 1 TD on Cassel.  Did you SEE every Int he has thrown?  I have seen 2 of them.  The 2 they showed on RZ, well the ball went off his WR's hands (both should have been caught), popped up right to the DB for easy picks!  Say what you want, but those 2 were not his fault.
     
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    Gary - My contention is that the colts didn't know Painter was suspect until this preseason.  the local word is that he is great in practice, and his only game play is with the back ups.  It wasn't until this preseason that he underperformed (although not terribly) with the first string.  As for Collins coming in - sure everyone here pu pu's the decision, but he's a guy that has thrown for over 40,000 yards in this league.  He can't be that bad (and I never thought he was).  The pats have brought in former starters as back ups.  don't know why the colts doing the same is an issue. 
    Posted by UD6


    Is your opinion that the Colts hang on to Painter or may they be on the cusp of cutting him?  What do you think his standing is with the team?

    On the Collins matter I can see the interest this way.  Come on in for one year and then slide back into retirement.  Try to keep the boat afloat.  Is that the right approach in your opinion?  I don't think that it would float for a second around here. 
     
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