Will Gronk's Return Change The Offense THAT Much?

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    Will Gronk's Return Change The Offense THAT Much?

    Especially since DAs return last game didn't turn out too well. Is that what the Patriots can expect from him the rest of the season?  It's possible that he is still sub-optimal from his groin injury and may NOT recover this season.

    Will Gronk make enough of a difference for the offense as a whole?

     
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    Yes, having a healthy Gronk would help immensely, though as in Amendola's case returning from injury he might have some rust to shake off.  Tightends can be security blankets and also are tough to cover, he will help both the running and the passing game and will help a lot down on the goal line.  His presence will also help Huey by taking the focus off him.

     
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    Especially since DAs return last game didn't turn out too well. Is that what the Patriots can expect from him the rest of the season?  It's possible that he is still sub-optimal from his groin injury and may NOT recover this season.

    Will Gronk make enough of a difference for the offense as a whole?




    It won't make much a difference for the first week, IMO, but after a few games it will really be a big deal.  Might take a game or 2 to knock the rust off.

     
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    Especially since DAs return last game didn't turn out too well. Is that what the Patriots can expect from him the rest of the season?  It's possible that he is still sub-optimal from his groin injury and may NOT recover this season.

    Will Gronk make enough of a difference for the offense as a whole?




    Seeing as how that was his first game back, I'm not sure what there is to complain about.  Let's give him a little time to get back in the swing of things.  Yes, I would apply that same thought to RG when he comes back.  Why would you expect either to be at their best, after being out so long, and why wouldn't you expect for them both to steadily improve?

     
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    Yeah, didn't "turn out too well". Two incredible grabs and a TD he would have had if Brady didn't miss him so badly, but yeah, Amendola didn't help our team on Sunday.

    Your thread title also proves you know nothing about football.

     



    He said it didint turn out well. He never he didnt help the team Mr. !52. Danny had 3 catches and 3 drops. if he keeps that up, we will be asking for Welker back. Stop trolling on decent threads and let people discuss football. How does his thread title make him ignorant about football?? YOu are one annoying dude. Stop trying to police threads cuz they dont fit yoru standards of washing Bills rings.

     
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    Gronkowski in the lineup means...less Mulligan and/or Hooman?

    Gronkowski on the field still leaves the injury guy, the special teams guy and a bunch of rookies as the other options.

    There will be a difference, but I don't think it'll be grand.

     
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    Especially since DAs return last game didn't turn out too well. Is that what the Patriots can expect from him the rest of the season?  It's possible that he is still sub-optimal from his groin injury and may NOT recover this season.

    Will Gronk make enough of a difference for the offense as a whole?



    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/england-patriots-don-t-expect-rob-gronkowski-save-213500075--nfl.html

     
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    It should change things as Gronk once the rust falls off commands double teams. As Wozz said, great blocker so it should help the run game. It takes just a little pressure off of everyone else which is what is needed, plus adds an element of confidence this offense has been missing as of late. Add Vereen and Ridley back and it has the potential to be good enough. Gronk is the second best player on the offense...even when welker and ah we're here.

     
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    Brady's stats throwing to Gronk the past 2 seasons:


    71.6 completion %

    10.5 yds/attempt

    31-4 TD/INT ratio

     

    Patriots rushing attack last season averaged 4.4 ypc with Gronk on the field and 3.9 with him off it.

    Last season before Gronk got injured the Patriots averaged 4.1 explosive runs per game (runs of 10+ yards).  They only averaged 2.1 per game after he got hurt.

    Anyone that doesn't think this guy makes a huge difference for this offense is certifiably insane.

     
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    Especially since DAs return last game didn't turn out too well. Is that what the Patriots can expect from him the rest of the season?  It's possible that he is still sub-optimal from his groin injury and may NOT recover this season.

    Will Gronk make enough of a difference for the offense as a whole?




    Half of Amendolas woes that game can be attributed to the abysmal play of Brady.  Granted he wasn't quite as sharp or fast as he was game 1, but Brady whiffed on him a few times.  As for Gronk, if he comes back and starts playing like his old self then yes, to answer your question, absolutely.  When Gronk isn't going over defenders to grab a ball out of the air (he has a temendous catch radius), dragging or knocking over defenders, being our number 1 red zone threat, he is doing something that we desperately need help with, blocking.  And blocking very very well.  His very existance out on the field will free up opportunties for other players as well. 

     
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    It wont change much on the offense, what it will change is how a defence will play the pats, currently they can double team both wides and have the tight end covered with a safety or a fast linebacker. So in 2 WR sets both wides get doubleteamed, strong safety or LB covers the tight end and linebackers or safety cover the RB's coming out of backfield.

    With Gronk, you will not get mismatches with either the Safety or LB covering him, if they play with a LB and Safety double covering Gronk, 95% of the time the RB will be free coming out of the backfield.

    If they use a double safety coverage on Gronk and keep the LBs in for the RB coming out of the backfield 2 things will happen, you get a mismatch with a LB trying to cover an RB and you are then left with single coverage on your WR, 50% of the time the WR will break coverage and you will get some long receptions.(hence why we went young and fast, BTW).

    So, the answer is no you will not see a change in the Offense, but you will see big changes on the defense to defend against Gronk, if they bring in more DB's then the run game opens up because of the lack of LB size in the middle. (sorry bout the long post, but you gotta know football to see why Gronk is being missed)

     
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    Brady's stats throwing to Gronk the past 2 seasons:


    71.6 completion %

    10.5 yds/attempt

    31-4 TD/INT ratio

     

    Patriots rushing attack last season averaged 4.4 ypc with Gronk on the field and 3.9 with him off it.

    Last season before Gronk got injured the Patriots averaged 4.1 explosive runs per game (runs of 10+ yards).  They only averaged 2.1 per game after he got hurt.

    Anyone that doesn't think this guy makes a huge difference for this offense is certifiably insane.




    The offense is a lot different now than it has been for the past two years.  They cannot be compared. 

     
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    It's a guy Brady is comfortable throwing to and trusts, if it makes Tom comfortable, it makes the offense better.

     
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    I'm not willing to blame Brady for all of the offensive woes.  Last week he had a VERY bad game.  But he's still Brady, and our best chance at getting back to the promised land.  But he needs help out there.  We don't have a reliable receiver to move the sticks.  And a reliable redzone threat  is even less of an option.  Everyone on our offense needs something or someone to make them feel more comfortable and be more productive.  Brady is no different, and completely lacks that security blanket feeling he has become accustomed to and needs.  Gronk, could bring back that loving feeling. 

     
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    "Will Gronk's Return Change The Offense THAT Much?"

    I don't see how it wouldn't.  Any TE play would be a plus at this point as our TE's are nonexistent with the exception of a handful of plays.  This is one of the more perplexing issues of the season to me. The Ballard fisco was a joke, and they lost all confidence in Sudfeld.  To say that Gronkowski is needed would be a huge understatement. 

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    Especially since DAs return last game didn't turn out too well. Is that what the Patriots can expect from him the rest of the season?  It's possible that he is still sub-optimal from his groin injury and may NOT recover this season.

    Will Gronk make enough of a difference for the offense as a whole?

     




    Half of Amendolas woes that game can be attributed to the abysmal play of Brady.  Granted he wasn't quite as sharp or fast as he was game 1, but Brady whiffed on him a few times.  As for Gronk, if he comes back and starts playing like his old self then yes, to answer your question, absolutely.  When Gronk isn't going over defenders to grab a ball out of the air (he has a temendous catch radius), dragging or knocking over defenders, being our number 1 red zone threat, he is doing something that we desperately need help with, blocking.  And blocking very very well.  His very existance out on the field will free up opportunties for other players as well. 

     




    WT F is going on in here? Brady whiffed on Him? What does that even mean? I counted 3 drops,. All 3 were right on the money and dropped. Thank you for the big catch before the half so we can kick 3, but cmon, the guy dropped some easy ones. Rust? He has been practicing for a while....No excuses. If we are gonna hold Brady to insane expectations, yes Danny making 6.1 million in place of Wes, needs to make those catches or it makes the wes move much worse as we all agreed that he was everything but clutch so we are supposed to be happy when Danny shows the same signs? I was happy with Danny as a Wes replacement, but we still dont have a # 1 or a TE in this offense and thats a problem. Even when Gronk comes back, how do you run a 2 TE set with  no 3rd TE? You usually  dont...We are terribly thin at TE after having like 6 in camp...BUT Dallas Clark and Winslow are both healthy and helping our teams each week. Should have signed one of them instead of waiting a year and a half for the Jake the Break Ballard!  smh

     

    Board has become one big Brady Bash Party. Sorry I cant partake. Im just taking notes. Hope you all come back and eat crow when TFB shows you he doesnt s*ck next game

     
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    The offense is BETTER. More balanced and far less predictable.  THe points per game haven't shown it yet, but just wait, Handy.  Just wait.

    We're all waiting on Brady which is what I said going into SB 46.



    Welker, LLoyd, Gronkowski, Hernandez and Who Cares

    or

    Injured, Rookie, Rookie, Undrafted Rookie, Injured and Special Teams player

     

    Yes.  This year's offense is much better. 

     
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    Especially since DAs return last game didn't turn out too well. Is that what the Patriots can expect from him the rest of the season?  It's possible that he is still sub-optimal from his groin injury and may NOT recover this season.

    Will Gronk make enough of a difference for the offense as a whole?

     




    Half of Amendolas woes that game can be attributed to the abysmal play of Brady.  Granted he wasn't quite as sharp or fast as he was game 1, but Brady whiffed on him a few times.  As for Gronk, if he comes back and starts playing like his old self then yes, to answer your question, absolutely.  When Gronk isn't going over defenders to grab a ball out of the air (he has a temendous catch radius), dragging or knocking over defenders, being our number 1 red zone threat, he is doing something that we desperately need help with, blocking.  And blocking very very well.  His very existance out on the field will free up opportunties for other players as well. 

     




    I really hope he comes back to the old Gronk. However, a big part of his success can be attributed to his "recklessness" nature. We'll see if he keeps that mindset after injuries to his ankle and armx2. If the injuries changed tha mindset, the radius you are talking about and his ability to fight for the ball will be diminished. That said, he will still be a reliable receiver than the rooks.

     
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    Don't forget, this year's offense is also missing Welker and Hernandez; who had their respective roles in the overall performance of the offense.  Will getting Gronk back be enough to bring the offensive scoring back to last years pace?

     
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    I'll bet you right now we don't score 13 points in a playoff game. I guarantee you we score more than 13 or 14 points like we have been doing since 2007 in the postseason.

    Bet?



    I'm right on board with that.  Like you, I have a lot of faith in Tom Brady to get the job done in the playoffs.  Despite the pure garbage he has to throw to, he'll still find a way to get that ball in the end zone.

    I apprecaite that you've finally come around on Brady.  It's about time.

     
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    Gronk is as much of a health risk as D.A. or even Austin Collie.

     
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    That's a nice story, Rusty.

    Thank you for having faith that Brady's offense will put up more than 14 points in the post season.

     
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    Amendola did have a couple drops.  Dobson had a sure TD stripped, Thompkins dropped a couple, so drops certainly didn't help us one bit.  But, even the annoucers were noticing Brady was off.  Repeatedly I heard things like, "Brady threw that one a bit behind, that would have been a TD if it had a little lead on it", or "That's not a throw Brady typically makes", or "Brady had both receivers wide open down the field but he didn't see them", or "Brady's accuracy has been a bit off today".  It was not a typical day for Brady, and that can't be denied.  I'm by no means bashing him over it, even the greatest are entitled to a crap game, just pointing out one of the obvious problems that cost us that game. 

     
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    Especially since DAs return last game didn't turn out too well. Is that what the Patriots can expect from him the rest of the season?  It's possible that he is still sub-optimal from his groin injury and may NOT recover this season.

    Will Gronk make enough of a difference for the offense as a whole?

     




    Half of Amendolas woes that game can be attributed to the abysmal play of Brady.  Granted he wasn't quite as sharp or fast as he was game 1, but Brady whiffed on him a few times.  As for Gronk, if he comes back and starts playing like his old self then yes, to answer your question, absolutely.  When Gronk isn't going over defenders to grab a ball out of the air (he has a temendous catch radius), dragging or knocking over defenders, being our number 1 red zone threat, he is doing something that we desperately need help with, blocking.  And blocking very very well.  His very existance out on the field will free up opportunties for other players as well. 

     

     

     




    WT F is going on in here? Brady whiffed on Him? What does that even mean? I counted 3 drops,. All 3 were right on the money and dropped. Thank you for the big catch before the half so we can kick 3, but cmon, the guy dropped some easy ones. Rust? He has been practicing for a while....No excuses. If we are gonna hold Brady to insane expectations, yes Danny making 6.1 million in place of Wes, needs to make those catches or it makes the wes move much worse as we all agreed that he was everything but clutch so we are supposed to be happy when Danny shows the same signs? I was happy with Danny as a Wes replacement, but we still dont have a # 1 or a TE in this offense and thats a problem. Even when Gronk comes back, how do you run a 2 TE set with  no 3rd TE? You usually  dont...We are terribly thin at TE after having like 6 in camp...BUT Dallas Clark and Winslow are both healthy and helping our teams each week. Should have signed one of them instead of waiting a year and a half for the Jake the Break Ballard!  smh

     

     

     

    Board has become one big Brady Bash Party. Sorry I cant partake. Im just taking notes. Hope you all come back and eat crow when TFB shows you he doesnt s*ck next game



    It means that honest fans saw Brady throw wildly above Amendolas head where Amendola had to make an incredible catch even if he was WIDE OPEN.

     

    There was one to the strong side on a crossing pattern where Brady AIRMAILED IT and Thompkins was behind Amendola who then tried to dive and catch it.

    Amendola is 5'11, he's not 6'5 like Gronk.

    Stop making excuses for AWFUL THROWS. If Brady is so great, why is his accuracy, so awful?

    Is it because Moss and Gronk, and people like that, bailed him out due to their freakish size and ability, where Brady's gets lax and lazy on his other WRs?????!!

    Hmmm? Shizzles? Could it be? Could it be?



    Very well could be russ. Its nothing wrong with admitting talented players do more and now we are devoid of talent. The pass in question though went right through BOTH hands so your point here is moot.  Yes Gronk Spoiled Brady by having a great catch radius and now he has Hooman. Amendola just dropped those though

     
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