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    Yeah, afterall, Marshall Faulk had nothing to do with why Warner was better than he really was. It was JUST throwing it 40 times per game in Martz's great, but one dimensional offense. You go with what works, but that just proves why their offense failed and ours, as almost as a mirror image of the one we took down in SB 36, is so maddeningly frutsrating as to WHY we lost SB 42 and 46. The league has evolved into a passing league, but that doesn't mean you announce by the way you play, that it's only important to pass, almost excusively, with the run game a contingency play only used for show. Our Ds and Os played like chameleons being multi dimensional on both sides of the ball, which was a huge reason why we won 3 SBs.  That and smart, sound fundamental play. So, why get away from that and lose SBs now?  Why?   What Pats fan wants oto repeat the same mistakes when we know they fail on offense? Every time NE geuninely commits to a run game even with little to show for it in the first (agaisnt good Ds), it opens things up in the second half, where a blowout is possible. If they don't, they run the risk of being forced to pass more than they should and usually losing against a good or great D with that 35+ passing/40 pass danger area. Tons of evidence and 2 SB losses later, yet trolls back Brady Ballwashers and vice versa, blind as a bat or intentionally blind as a troll unable to concede defeat on the topic. WHat's next, Tony Mazz will tell us that same thing (who cares how many times you pass/ignoring a run game is irrelevant with Tom Brady back there)and then simultaneously say that Matt Light had some bad years here?  lol Any Pats opinion mirroring Tony Mazz is likely the WRONG opinion.
    Posted by BassFishingII


    Sounds like you have a problem with the way the GM put together the 2011 Patritots.   No team wants an offense that puts up 30 ppg.
     
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    Tons of evidence and 2 SB losses later, yet trolls back Brady Ballwashers and vice versa, blind as a bat or intentionally blind as a troll unable to concede defeat on the topic.
    Posted by BassFishingII


    Why is it so hard for you to grasp that if the D doesn't blow the endgame we probably have 3 more Lombardis? It's not that difficult.
     
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    In Response to Re: Will McDaniels Be Pass Happy or Mix Things Up? : This is the point I think many are missing about how the NFL works. What you're looking for in the playoffs against what are ostensibly the best teams left standing (and I think BB or any other NFL HC would attest to this) is: "to put yourself in a position to win". In 5 SBs in the BB era we have had that opportunity. SB XXXVI - D allows the Rams to tie the game with 1:30 left. Brady drives the Pats and Vinatieri hits a 48 yard FG to win it. SB XXXVIII - D allows Panthers to score with 1:08 left. Brady drives team and AV kicks the winning FG. SB XXXIX - Eagles score with 1:48 left to get within 3. They get the ball back with :46 left and Harrison intercepts. SB XLII - Brady hits Moss to take the lead with 2:42 left. Giants need a TD and get it with :35 left. SB XLVI - D allows Giants to take a 4 point lead with :57 left and leaving the Pats needing a TD. In each case the team was in a position to win. In 2 victories the opportunity fell to the O and they got it done. In the other victory the opportunity was really too little too late for the Eagles. In the 2 losses the opportunity fell to the D and they didn't get it done. This is what makes one team the champion and the other not. The details of the game that bring you to that "position to win" can be argued endlessly. But there is no argument when that final moment that determines victory is either grasped or flubbed.
    Posted by BabeParilli


    As usual, you conveniently remove the context.  In each SB win, we had Weis as OC.  We also had more balance with lesser talent. If we had more balance, say like for most of 2010, we win this past SB going away, likely ending up over 27 points or something.

    In each SB loss in SB 46 and SB 42, we had a 40+ pass per game style offense and gameplan, which puts far more pressure on a defense, especially in a dome where it's hot and they squash more people in there than the firecode bears.

    So, what you either miss or, IMO, you ignore on purose, is that our offense changed with more passing, more subbing of sets, etc, as a way to gain matchups with personnel, where in the Weis years it was far more about a traditional Perkins/Zampese style offense where it was an under center base with a run game as the backdrop.  We didn't care what the other teams' D did in the Weis era.  It was a simple attitude type offense where it coud be tweaked WHEN NEEDED, not just tweaked to tweak it.

    This offense is completely overthought, IMO. Over-though.  I don't know what else to call it.  It's like out-thinking itself.

    Daniel Graham was a blocking TE, A. Smith and then Dillon ran for 4 YPC and it simply moved the sticks, took time off the clock, etc, so a play like Harrison makes in SB 39 can actually occur, because he's not so gassed at the end of the game. 

    Look how gassed NE's D was in Indy in the 2006 playoffs. Again, got away from the run game, passed too much, too many 3 and outs or 1 minute drives, which gave Gomer and a lethal, desperate offense, tons of looks to score.  And that was WITH our legends on D. Seymour, Bruschi, Vrabel, Samuel, Wilfork, and right on down the line.  Ty Warren, Colvin, etc.

    Our D was gassed to the gills at the end of SB 42 and SB 46.  That shot of Warren, Ellis and Wilfork after Welker dropped that ball said it all. I felt the same way as them.  "Are you kidding me"?  We just held a potentially lethal offense to 13 points and bRady is tossing INTs or Welker is dropping 1st downs in FG range?

    Just how many stops of holding a team like that to FGs, do you expect?

    In reality, NE blews leads in all 5 SBs.  It's a good thing STL was over-confident, John Kasay kicked that ball out of bounds and we ran A/ Smith for 26 carries already gassing Carolina's D down, and McNabb was puking late in SB 39.

    Fast forward tto SB 42 AND sb 46 with loaded offensive talent, certainly in the passing area (Dillon was clearly superior at RB at that time) and our offense is actually far less efficient, which in turn hurts our D.

    Put it this way, NYGs focusing on making sure they gave Eli a run game in the 1st half HELPED their own D in the second half.

    We didn't do that. 

    They were better at using a classic formula, IMO the best one, than we were.  Stinks, but the only people who can accept the blame is the coaches, O'Brien, Brady and most importantly the players who are paid to make the basic plays when it matters.


     
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    In Response to Re: Will McDaniels Be Pass Happy or Mix Things Up? : Why is it so hard for you to grasp that if the D doesn't blow the endgame we probably have 3 more Lombardis? It's not that difficult.
    Posted by BabeParilli


    The better question is, as you can see in my above response to you for the 1 millionth time:

    Why do you play dumb, ignoring the fact that our offense was run differently from 2001-2004 as opposed to 2005-2012?

    Our D blew leads in every SB.  Maybe if we ran it more or better in SB 42 and SB 46, our gassed D in domes, don't "blow" the leads?

    The whole reason why our SB 36 D blew the 14 points lead late was because they were running out of gas. Did I blame them then? Absolutey not!  The fact they played so well for so long within the gameplan allowed them a crack at winning it.

    SAME THING IN SB 46.  Brady had like 4 attempts in the 4th qtr to just get a FG!  Do you realize even just moving the sticks enough on 1 DRIVE, ONE DRIVE in the 4th qtr for a FG, would have won that game? 

    And guess what? Brady threw ZERO INTs in SB 36 and took no Safety.  Very similar to how Eli threw no INTs in this past SB. Nice job by him and pathetically Eli outplayed Brady. It hurts to admit, I know. I don't Eli is that great. I think he is a Roethlisberger type who is like a modern day Jim Plunkett. Played on some really well built clubs, did a nice job when it mattered on that one day, twice, and here we are.

    But, Brady has to live with that.  Deep down we all know Eli Manning isn't in Brady's class coming of a 25 INT season in 2010, but he was better overall than Brady in SB 46. Yep. Ouch.

    Tom Brady was a better postseason QB in a better, tried and true system from 2001-2004 v.s. 2005-2012.

    You cannot ignore that fact and the fact the systems on offense had changed when Weis left.
     
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    Re: Will McDaniels Be Pass Happy or Mix Things Up?

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    In Response to Re: Will McDaniels Be Pass Happy or Mix Things Up? : As usual, you conveniently remove the context.  In each SB win, we had Weis as OC.  We also had more balance with lesser talent. If we had more balance, say like for most of 2010, we win this past SB going away, likely ending up over 27 points or something. In each SB loss in SB 46 and SB 42, we had a 40+ pass per game style offense and gameplan, which puts far more pressure on a defense, especially in a dome where it's hot and they squash more people in there than the firecode bears. So, what you either miss or, IMO, you ignore on purose, is that our offense changed with more passing, more subbing of sets, etc, as a way to gain matchups with personnel, where in the Weis years it was far more about a traditional Perkins/Zampese style offense where it was an under center base with a run game as the backdrop.  We didn't care what the other teams' D did in the Weis era.  It was a simple attitude type offense where it coud be tweaked WHEN NEEDED, not just tweaked to tweak it. This offense is completely overthought, IMO. Over-though.  I don't know what else to call it.  It's like out-thinking itself. Daniel Graham was a blocking TE, A. Smith and then Dillon ran for 4 YPC and it simply moved the sticks, took time off the clock, etc, so a play like Harrison makes in SB 39 can actually occur, because he's not so gassed at the end of the game.  Look how gassed NE's D was in Indy in the 2006 playoffs. Again, got away from the run game, passed too much, too many 3 and outs or 1 minute drives, which gave Gomer and a lethal, desperate offense, tons of looks to score.  And that was WITH our legends on D. Seymour, Bruschi, Vrabel, Samuel, Wilfork, and right on down the line.  Ty Warren, Colvin, etc. Our D was gassed to the gills at the end of SB 42 and SB 46.  That shot of Warren, Ellis and Wilfork after Welker dropped that ball said it all. I felt the same way as them.  "Are you kidding me"?  We just held a potentially lethal offense to 13 points and bRady is tossing INTs or Welker is dropping 1st downs in FG range? Just how many stops of holding a team like that to FGs, do you expect? In reality, NE blews leads in all 5 SBs.  It's a good thing STL was over-confident, John Kasay kicked that ball out of bounds and we ran A/ Smith for 26 carries already gassing Carolina's D down, and McNabb was puking late in SB 39. Fast forward tto SB 42 AND sb 46 with loaded offensive talent, certainly in the passing area (Dillon was clearly superior at RB at that time) and our offense is actually far less efficient, which in turn hurts our D. Put it this way, NYGs focusing on making sure they gave Eli a run game in the 1st half HELPED their own D in the second half. We didn't do that.  They were better at using a classic formula, IMO the best one, than we were.  Stinks, but the only people who can accept the blame is the coaches, O'Brien, Brady and most importantly the players who are paid to make the basic plays when it matters.
    Posted by BassFishingII


    That's right. Mauroney and BJGE were far better runners than Dillon and Smith. How could we have not just handed BJGE the ball and rode his 3.7 ypc all the way to the finish line?
     
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    Re: Will McDaniels Be Pass Happy or Mix Things Up?

    Where did I say Maroney and BJGE were better than Dillon?  BJGE is easily on par with Smith, if not better due to pass catching ability.

    I specifically said Dillon was clearly a superior RB. 

    Again, Phat Rex/Mangione, you lying and trolling here is why you need to be banned immediately.

    We'll wait for you to try to crawl back in here with some cute name you'll choose to pose as a Pats fan taking me on, but you'll lose every time because your're a dork from NJ who roots for the Jets.

     
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    Where did I say Maroney and BJGE were better than Dillon?  BJGE is easily on par with Smith, if not better due to pass catching ability. I specifically said Dillon was clearly a superior RB.  Again, Phat Rex/Mangione, you lying and trolling here is why you need to be banned immediately. We'll wait for you to try to crawl back in here with some cute name you'll choose to pose as a Pats fan taking me on, but you'll lose every time because your're a dork from NJ who roots for the Jets.
    Posted by BassFishingII


    "We also had more balance with lesser talent."
    I'd say that covers it.  If you're talking about more balance, clearly you must be speaking of the RBs. 
    Yes, when trying to justify the overuse of a passing game, the best thing to focus on is the RB's pass catching ability. 
    Are you really this dumb?
     
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    Consistent running keeps the opponent's D honest and sets up play action. Notice I said consistent not persistent.

    Last season when we were third and 3 everyone on the planet knew we were going to pass. When we do run it's either out of the shotgun which I've never thought was a good idea or the formation is so obvious to the other team that they bring their LBs in.
     
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    In Response to Re: Will McDaniels Be Pass Happy or Mix Things Up? : This is the point I think many are missing about how the NFL works. What you're looking for in the playoffs against what are ostensibly the best teams left standing (and I think BB or any other NFL HC would attest to this) is: "to put yourself in a position to win". In 5 SBs in the BB era we have had that opportunity. SB XXXVI - D allows the Rams to tie the game with 1:30 left. Brady drives the Pats and Vinatieri hits a 48 yard FG to win it. SB XXXVIII - D allows Panthers to score with 1:08 left. Brady drives team and AV kicks the winning FG. SB XXXIX - Eagles score with 1:48 left to get within 3. They get the ball back with :46 left and Harrison intercepts. SB XLII - Brady hits Moss to take the lead with 2:42 left. Giants need a TD and get it with :35 left. SB XLVI - D allows Giants to take a 4 point lead with :57 left and leaving the Pats needing a TD. In each case the team was in a position to win. In 2 victories the opportunity fell to the O and they got it done. In the other victory the opportunity was really too little too late for the Eagles. In the 2 losses the opportunity fell to the D and they didn't get it done. This is what makes one team the champion and the other not. The details of the game that bring you to that "position to win" can be argued endlessly. But there is no argument when that final moment that determines victory is either grasped or flubbed.
    Posted by BabeParilli

    The patriots sure don't make it easy on themselves, do they?
     
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