Will Parcells ever get into Pats HOF???

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    Re: Will Parcells ever get into Pats HOF???

    really?


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    thats HOF worthy for this franchise? please. he was fun in pressers, but otherwise was uneducated with the salary cap, did not run the draft, and had a mediocre 4 year run here. pass.


     

     
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    Re: Will Parcells ever get into Pats HOF???

    No way!  He not only negotiated with the Jets while we were in the Super Bowl but there are a few other reasons.



    1. His record was not that great

    2. He wasn't here long enough.

    3. The way he coached the fourth quarter of the SB was as if he was throwing the game.  Punting with little time left and down by more than a touchdown was unforgiveable.


    NEVER!


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    Re: Will Parcells ever get into Pats HOF???

    We could have a separate discussion called Parcells: Myth vs. Reality.


    Whether it was myth or reality Parcells name lent credibility to an organization that was struggling for it. The team did turn around and the Patriots became a force to be taken seriously. Sometimes, it is many forces coalescing together that create the turnaround and Bill was certainly a part of it. How much credit goes to him can be debated but we can all agree he was there and did contribute to the atmosphere.


    I also think it is his loss that he left and I wonder if he has regrets about it? 

     
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    For the record, I think he should get in, but not before guys like Law, Willie Mac, Milloy, Faulk and Rodney do. Those guys actually won us Super Bowls while Parcells in his only chance to bring a Lombardi to N.E was preoccupied negotiating with the Jets.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    RESPONSE: Parcells turned the Patriots' franchise around...and instilled a winning attitude. If it weren't for him, the Pats would not have gotten BB (Parcells traded BB to the Pats). The guy deserves to be enshrined, and his contributions to the Patriots franchise are much greater than he is given credit for.  


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


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    [object HTMLDivElement]I agree but would you put Parcells over the plYers I listed?


     


     


     


    And let's not pretend it was Parcells idea to trade BB to the Pats. BB quit and joined the Pats and the Jets were awarded a 1st rd pick for it.


     


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    Personally I think he figured out what a joke the Jets owner is

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    Re: Will Parcells ever get into Pats HOF???

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    We could have a separate discussion called Parcells: Myth vs. Reality.


     


    Whether it was myth or reality Parcells name lent credibility to an organization that was struggling for it. The team did turn around and the Patriots became a force to be taken seriously. Sometimes, it is many forces coalescing together that create the turnaround and Bill was certainly a part of it. How much credit goes to him can be debated but we can all agree he was there and did contribute to the atmosphere.


     


    I also think it is his loss that he left and I wonder if he has regrets about it? 


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    Was that enough to put him in the Patriots HOF? For me guys like Law, Clayborn, Mcginest should definitely be in before him then you have the Harrison, Vrabel types that most likely will get in before him. After that Brady, Belichik and Vince will be eligible which pushes Parcells off possibly 10 years or more.


     


     

     
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    For the record, I think he should get in, but not before guys like Law, Willie Mac, Milloy, Faulk and Rodney do. Those guys actually won us Super Bowls while Parcells in his only chance to bring a Lombardi to N.E was preoccupied negotiating with the Jets.


     


    RESPONSE: Parcells turned the Patriots' franchise around...and instilled a winning attitude. If it weren't for him, the Pats would not have gotten BB (Parcells traded BB to the Pats). The guy deserves to be enshrined, and his contributions to the Patriots franchise are much greater than he is given credit for.  


     


    Is it draft day?


     


    RESPONSE: Another gift to the fans from our ever caring Commissioner...LOL!!!


     


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    Your reasoning is because some OTHER guy was spectacular (BB)! And Parcells was NOT responsible for him being here in that he was trying to FORCE BB to coach the Jets!


    Parcells should never be a consideration. Never.


    1. He got the team to ONE SB which not only did we lose but he stabbed the team in the back before the CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. Geepers Creepers. How is that anything but a BIG negative.


    2. He did NOTHING else for the Pats. He stabbed them in the back and then went to a division rival in doing so!


    3. He tried to keep BB from becoming the Pats coach. Thanks for nothing Parcells.


    I have no idea why this guy is in anyone's conversation.


     

     
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    I hope BP never gets in. The fact he was in negotiations with a hated rival instead of preparing his team for the Super Bowl speaks volumes about his arrogance and selfishness. It totally negates any good he did before that. If he does get in, I will certainly boo him during his half time speech during the home opener and I am sure I will not be alone. 


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    YESSSS. YES YES. You are so right. The guy did the team wrong and he didn't do anything special for us. Getting into one SB is no HOF credential.


    Selling the team out while preparing to play a SB!? Are you KIDDING ME?

     
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    Is Fairbanks in it?


     


     


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    Or Ray Berry?


     


     


     


     


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    Parcells 32-32, 2-2 postseason, 1 SB loss


     


    Berry 48-39, 3-2 p/s, 1 SB loss


     


    Fairbanks 46-39, 0-2 p/s*


     


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    In my opinion, Fairbanks was the second best coach the franchise ever had. Great team builder as well. 


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    You are RIGHT on every point. Every one of them.


    And in addition Parcells ratted on the team WHILE preparing for a SB. He should have gone to jail for that. No HOF for him.

     
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    This is for people who say no to parcells in HOF ,think like this if Parcells never comes to the Pats and brings BB with him and inteoduced Kraft to Bb maybe Bb never comes here .


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    THis is for you : Parcells tried to keep BB from going to the Pats. He tried to force BB to take the Jets job. It is like crediting Hitler for Germany being in good shape today. Sorry. Under his watch they got crushed. BB going to the Patriots was not orchestrated by Parcells. And you don't get into the HOF for introducing people to each other. Really. Come on!!!! REALLY!


     


    For introducing to people? Gee, how about BBs mom and dad making the Pats HOF then. Without them BB would not be here either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Come on MAN

     
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    Re: Will Parcells ever get into Pats HOF???

    After reading my own comments I want to clarify one thing....


    NO.


    NO NO NO. No soup for him!


     

     
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    This is for people who say no to parcells in HOF ,think like this if Parcells never comes to the Pats and brings BB with him and inteoduced Kraft to Bb maybe Bb never comes here .


     


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    THis is for you : Parcells tried to keep BB from going to the Pats. He tried to force BB to take the Jets job. It is like crediting Hitler for Germany being in good shape today. Sorry. Under his watch they got crushed. BB going to the Patriots was not orchestrated by Parcells. And you don't get into the HOF for introducing people to each other. Really. Come on!!!! REALLY!


     


     


     


    For introducing to people? Gee, how about BBs mom and dad making the Pats HOF then. Without them BB would not be here either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


     


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    You come on man the point is was if BB wasnt on Parcells staff here Kraft might have never hired him.

     
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    Re: Will Parcells ever get into Pats HOF???

    I hope not. Let BP find his HOF with another team.  Lots of reasons not to bestow this Patriots honor on Parcells.


    Negatives outweigh the positives for me- just don't see him as a Patriot HOF.  And wow - this thread is hard to follow.

     
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    I'd put Mo Lewis in before Parcells

     
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    This is for people who say no to parcells in HOF ,think like this if Parcells never comes to the Pats and brings BB with him and inteoduced Kraft to Bb maybe Bb never comes here .


     


     


     


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    THis is for you : Parcells tried to keep BB from going to the Pats. He tried to force BB to take the Jets job. It is like crediting Hitler for Germany being in good shape today. Sorry. Under his watch they got crushed. BB going to the Patriots was not orchestrated by Parcells. And you don't get into the HOF for introducing people to each other. Really. Come on!!!! REALLY!


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    For introducing to people? Gee, how about BBs mom and dad making the Pats HOF then. Without them BB would not be here either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


     


     


     


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    You come on man the point is was if BB wasnt on Parcells staff here Kraft might have never hired him.


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    So does that imply, because you raised the point in this thread, that it is a possible reason to put Parcells in the HOF? I have to assume yes. And so my response....


    NO.


     

     
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    Re: Will Parcells ever get into Pats HOF???

    Parcells should be in the Benedict Arnold HOF.


     

     
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    There is such a long list ahead of Parcels, that he probably won't be in for years to come, rightfully so.

     
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    Gunty's underpants must be pretty well soiled by now after learning about how many Pats fans simply will not not forget Parcell's ego here and how it ruined the potential of a more focused club in SB 31.


    It was widely reported that the entire staff and many players were annoyed with primadonna Parcells.


     

     
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    Re: Will Parcells ever get into Pats HOF???

    I would like to add to the comments by saying:


    No No No No.


    Just say NO.


    Parcells? We don't have to show you no Parcells. We don't have no Parcells. We don't need no stinkin Parcells.


     


    Let me rephrase: Parcells should have to personally apologize to each player and coach and ticket holder and non ticket holding fan, ONE AT A TIME, until he has apologized to everyone. And then he should be banned for life. After that his name could be raised but only in those years when there is only enough room for others. And then only in the dead of night and in the most hushed tones. And only when there will be no witnesses. And only if he gives an impassioned plea. But he will be dead (because recall, he was banned for life before he was eligible). So he will unfortunately not be able to meet all the necessary criteria.


     

     
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    really?


     


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    thats HOF worthy for this franchise? please. he was fun in pressers, but otherwise was uneducated with the salary cap, did not run the draft, and had a mediocre 4 year run here. pass.


     


     


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    When put like this how can anybody disagree? This is truly a polarizing discussion. I am swayed both ways. 

     
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    I would like to add to the comments by saying:


     


    No No No No.


     


    Just say NO.


     


    Parcells? We don't have to show you no Parcells. We don't have no Parcells. We don't need no stinkin Parcells.


     


     


     


    Let me rephrase: Parcells should have to personally apologize to each player and coach and ticket holder and non ticket holding fan, ONE AT A TIME, until he has apologized to everyone. And then he should be banned for life. After that his name could be raised but only in those years when there is only enough room for others. And then only in the dead of night and in the most hushed tones. And only when there will be no witnesses. And only if he gives an impassioned plea. But he will be dead (because recall, he was banned for life before he was eligible). So he will unfortunately not be able to meet all the necessary criteria.


     


     


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    lmao! Nice work port!

     
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    Re: Will Parcells ever get into Pats HOF???

    Parcells was the good, the bad and the ugly.
    the good - He helped bring the Patriots back to being relevant.
    the bad - His 32-32 record. I really thought it was better than that.
    the ugly - the way he left.


    Chuck Fairbanks was both coach and GM. His star picks,
    1973
    John Hannah
    Sam Cunningham
    1974
    Steve Nelson
    1975
    Russ Francis
    Steve Grogan
    1976
    Mike Haynes
    1977
    Raymond Clayborn
    Stanley Morgan


    Hannah and Haynes are in the NFL Hall of Fame and the rest are in the Patriots Hall of Fame except for Francis and Clayborn who should be.


    The Patriots were set up for good things but alas the Sullivans were not the Krafts.


    Parcells will probably get in because the media loved him here.

     

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