With the first round picks the Pats

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    With the first round picks the Pats

    Will choose Pouncey with the Raider pick and Carimi with their own pick restocking the OL. Pouncey has the thing Pats value most, versatility. He can step in at G or C as a rookie and contribute. Carimi is a mauler in the mold of Mankins, allowing the Pats to franchise Mankins this year and then part ways as Pouncey and Carimi mature. Vollmer, Mankins, Koppen, Carimi, Kaczur with Pouncey and Connelly as back up swing men answer the OL questions.
    Very few high first round picks on the OL this year, and with an abundance of DL available, replacing TBC is manageable in Rd 2. 
    With the savings from Light and TBC, a vet RB can be had in free agency.
    I think we also see a QB with one of the 3rd rd picks with an eye towards 3 years down the road. 
     
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    If that's what you're thinking you might have to swap them. Pouncey isn't suppose to go until the late 1st and Carimi can go anywhere from 15-32.

    As far as the Vet RB we can bring one in just from the savings of Taylor and Morris. Lights money is better suited to either resign him if thy don't feel there is a T worth taking or putting back in Mankins
     
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    I suppose it is all subjective until after the combine, but the quickest check is with the 2 ESPN talking heads Kiper/Mcshay whom have Pouncey 15 and 19 respectively, and both have Carimi at 23. Point being they look like 2 OL studs that fit the mold of what the Pats like, versatility, and what the Pats need, size and toughness.
    I maintain that McCourtney was plan B last year, and that Pouncey was plan A but the Steelers beat them to him.
    I thought Light had a very good year this year, better than the previous year (as did Koppen) but I also know both are on the down side. Do the Pats cut bait now? It wouldn't surprise me either way regarding both players.
    I think the Pats might be looking for a 1/2 punch at RB to pair with BenJarvis and use Woodhead as truly a 3rd down option. I would think that the RB to be obtained might even be 1A to BenJ 1B. Assuming RB to be named and BenJ do not play special teams, I could see a situation where Morris is on the team next year as the #4 rb and special teams player.  I would be intrigued for instance with a RB group of Ronnie Brown, BenJ, Woodhead and Morris. I also believe the mindset of drafting a RB would be towards 3/4 with the thinking a type similiar to Kuhn or Hillis. I am not a big fan of Ingram for what the Pats want to do in the run game.
     
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    I like Cameri definatly but we can find a good gaurd in the middle rounds which trend shows in the last few drafts. maybe cameri's teamate john moffit in the 3rd round. We need to get a defensive player in the frist round our Ol was stellar at times. Our run defense was good but our dbacks who reciever to help in pressure got torched. I would be incline dto get a de because a 3-4 defense gets better with beasts up front. I would like waat,jordan,bailey,or possibly jared crick.
     
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    The Pats have always gone for o-lineman in the middle round, and they really don't have an immediate pressing need to go higher than that. They have a good track record of developing o-lineman from the middle round. 
     
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    We need to fill the 5 technique. If the situation presented itself on draft day , i would try and trade up for Marcell Dareus/Da'quan Bowers. Imagine that line w/ Fork/Warren. I love Spikes/Mayo in the middle even after a terrible game last week. I would like to see Mayo step it up just a little more. I need to see more than tackle , he has the ability to be a game changer. He needs to put together a consistant season of that type of play. Spikes is everything I thought he be. I wanted this kid and was screaming about him for almost two years. Both of these guys have the ability to be DPY. I love DMC and thought hed be as good as he was. Even though he had a terrible game last week ... oh yea everyone played like chit! Anyway I always said if Indy/Minne make that pick , everyone calls great pick. We make it and everyone has something to say. We need real help at S and need to get rid of Meriweather. this reminds me of Maroney/Watson all over again. He can do one thing like them and we wont give up on him. B/C that would mean admitting mistake. If we can get a Dareus/Bowers from 5-10 , i think we should.
     
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    Re: With the first round picks the Pats

    you have no clue what you are talking about.
    no way they go OL OL with the first 2 picks
    and Carimi is not a 'mauler like mankins'
    carimi is a stiff tackle and gonna be a bust
    and the versatility you covet with Pouncey is not significant, because he was a horrendous Center at the start of this season with florida so they moved him back to Guard.  

    i agree that they will get some O Lineman, probably with the Panthers pick in round 2.  I'd look for them to get Rodney Hudson from FSU, whom is the best Guard in the draft
    as far as the first 2 picks, i think they will take the best available player, really, we are just looking for upgrades at this point since there arent any real areas of concern.  its a good strategy if you can afford to do it.  
    my guess is that a player like JJ Watt will fall to us, and id love to see him in a pats uniform.  BB might be compelled to take Aldon Smith, the DE freak from Mizzou who would switch to OLB for us.  hes a pass rushing terror.  
     
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    Not2Regret,
    You think Meriweather is Maroney all over again? I don't follow. While I'm not a huge fan of Meriweather's, and I think he's one of those guys that has every tool imaginable to be a great player in this league, but he's at least got balls, which Maroney didn't have. Meriweather at least plays with some fire, and flashes brilliance at times. A success for Maroney would be a game which he averaged 5 YPC, and everyone would think he finally found it. Meriweather has at least been consistent in what he's given us every week. A few good plays, a few bad plays, and an occasional great play. Maroney would either show up, or he wouldn't. You could tell when Maroney was going to have a bad game after his first carry.
    I don't see the same bust out of Meriweather. Seeing as how coaches/players vote counts for 66% of the final tally for the Pro Bowl, contrary to popular belief, that means that other players and coaches think very highly of his ability.
     
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    And MacCrawn,
    the Patriots develop mid-round OL well as fill-ins. Let's face it, other than Vollmer, Mankins and Connolly, this line is long in the tooth. Light, Koppen, Neal and Kaczur have all been around for quite some time, and will all be on the couch soon. While guys like Connolly and Wendell perform well as fill-ins in the midst of all the great players on that line, having a line full of guys like them would be chaos. I think Dante is one of the best OL coaches in the league for developing talent, but you have to give him something to work with. Their OL has allowed 13 sacks in their 3 postseason losses. That's not championship football, which the Patriots need to do while Brady is still playing at a high level.

    I tell you what, I wouldn't be against putting all my eggs in one basket in the draft, and loading one particular area of concern. By this, I mean picking up 2 DE's/1 OLB or 2 OLB's/1 DE with their first 3 picks. I wouldn't be against the Pats picking up 2 OL out of their first 3 picks, either.

    One thing Belichick doesn't bust on is OL and defensive players. It's pretty clear that, other than Gronkowski and Hernandez, that he is downright awful when it comes to selecting offensive skill players in high rounds.
    Chad Jackson
    Lawrence Maroney
    Ben Watson
    Bethel Johnson
    Brandon Tate is doubted by many (although I am not one of them)

    He's clearly not very good with corners, either, other than McCourty being an absolute gem. I don't think he could have predicted that either.
    Butler (gets beat, but it seems more like a confidence thing than it is a skills thing)
    Wilhite
    Wheatley

    Either Belichick's staff doesn't develop well here, or he doesn't recognize the talent when he sees it. I think it's the latter. He obviously has done well in FA with WR's and RB's, but he doesn't seem to develop talent. In all reality, Law-Firm doesn't have any talent other than straight line speed. He didn't need to be taught anything. He just runs as hard as he can where the whole is supposed to be, and I personally love that. Yes, he might not get the most out of every play, but he never gets less than what he should. And when you allow Brady to get in manageable situations on offense, you're in good shape.

     
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    Re: With the first round picks the Pats

    1st two picks .... based on reality of availablity:

    17. Cameron Jordan (DE)

    28. Justin Houston (OLB)


    OL with 33rd
     

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