Wondering, about change

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    Wondering, about change

    Ok, so I Wonder:

     "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
        Albert Einstein

    "Wonder is the beginning of wisdom."
        Greek Proverb

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    A roundabout Cap thread, but based on some 'wonder solutions'.

    There has been rumblings from the NFLPA Union about these High contracts given to, as examples: Flacco and Sanchez. Purportedly from the Union, these contracts, take away and severely limit money that some players are deserving but instead leads to older players being dispatched, even before their time. You all know the rest of the story. Can't blame them for following the Money.

    However, Looking for solutions, the way payment schemes are presently setup, the top 5 salary postions (each position) are cast as a benchmark. I 'wonder' if this method is working effectively any longer. I also 'wonder' if the Players Union would agree with the Owners that this benchmark could be changed to a 10% increase from the previous year? Then, some Teams could manage their cap and keep players at an earned 10% and lock them in without the usual bistro of splashing money around. The changed rookie salary structure is working great for both the Owners and Union. I also wonder if an agreement needs to wait until the NFLPA and Owners agreement for 9 more years. What then?

    Afterall these players are the groceries they originally shopped and i wonder if this would be a way to keep them (star players) and still maintain parity in the League.
    Do you see a need for change, somehow, and what are your thoughts (wonders)?

    My last OP ( redshirt) went blank ...lol.  Perhaps this one is more conducive to some thought.

    stay healthy and happy ..;-)) Thanks all for doing good work.

     

     
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    In response to palookaski's comment:

    Ok, so I Wonder:

     "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
        Albert Einstein

    "Wonder is the beginning of wisdom."
        Greek Proverb

    --
    A roundabout Cap thread, but based on some 'wonder solutions'.

    There has been rumblings from the NFLPA Union about these High contracts given to, as examples: Flacco and Sanchez. Purportedly from the Union, these contracts, take away and severely limit money that some players are deserving but instead leads to older players being dispatched, even before their time. You all know the rest of the story. Can't blame them for following the Money.

    However, Looking for solutions, the way payment schemes are presently setup, the top 5 salary postions (each position) are cast as a benchmark. I 'wonder' if this method is working effectively any longer. I also 'wonder' if the Players Union would agree with the Owners that this benchmark could be changed to a 10% increase from the previous year? Then, some Teams could manage their cap and keep players at an earned 10% and lock them in without the usual bistro of splashing money around. The changed rookie salary structure is working great for both the Owners and Union. I also wonder if an agreement needs to wait until the NFLPA and Owners agreement for 9 more years. What then?

    Afterall these players are the groceries they originally shopped and i wonder if this would be a way to keep them (star players) and still maintain parity in the League.
    Do you see a need for change, somehow, and what are your thoughts (wonders)?

    My last OP ( redshirt) went blank ...lol.  Perhaps this one is more conducive to some thought.

    stay healthy and happy ..;-)) Thanks all for doing good work.

     




    "Everything is temporary, anyway"

    Circle

    Edie Brickell and the New Bohemians

     
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    Yes, 42ND46 .... good one. But I wonder again if this current methodology continues, then what good or damage will it cause. It appears that the Union is even upset. Should the Union call an " agreement Convention" to enable a better way?

     

     
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    Yes, 42ND46 .... good one. But I wonder again if this current methodology continues, then what good or damage will it cause. It appears that the Union is even upset. Should the Union call an " agreement Convention" to enable a better way?

     




    as u say it is food for thought...i would have to really think it over but u have some good suggestions in there

    i do know the game has never been financially healthier in terms of revenue, annually grossing 9-10 billion

     
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    Yes, 42ND46 .... good one. But I wonder again if this current methodology continues, then what good or damage will it cause. It appears that the Union is even upset. Should the Union call an " agreement Convention" to enable a better way?

    as u say it is food for thought...i would have to really think it over but u have some good suggestions in there

    i do know the game has never been financially healthier in terms of revenue, annually grossing 9-10 billion



    Agree on the owners revenue but more to my point is the Teams makeup, as enjoyed by fans of a Team.

     

     
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    To keep away from the 'socialism issue' if another Team wanted to match a players 10% increase and that player wants to leave his present Team, then a 1st round pick would compensate for the year the former Team dictates.

     

     

     
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    To keep away from the 'socialism issue' if another Team wanted to match a players 10% increase and that player wants to leave his present Team, then a 1st round pick would compensate for the year the former Team dictates.

     




    sounds reasonable

     
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    Part of what you're seeing this year is a consequence of a lowered salary cap under the new CBA.  The cap was $128 million in 2009 and some teams were spending around $130 million per year in the capless year (2010). Since then, the cap has dropped by almost $10 million and is slowly coming back up (it's now at $123 million).  A lot of veterans were hired when there was more money to spend because of the higher cap.  Furthermore, many of them had backloaded contracts that would work only if the cap was growing.  With a lower and now slowly growing cap, some of these backloaded contracts are truly unaffordable.  Also, the veteran minimum salaries were increased by the CBA, so your bottom-tier players are making a little more, creating more pressure on the cap.  And, of course, you've still got the highest-demand players (like top QBs) getting very large deals.  And while first-round rookie contracts are now lower, which results in some savings, there are not enough first-round draft picks for the rookie salary scale to make a huge difference on the overall expenditures of teams.  When you add this all together, you've got a squeeze on available money, which is leading to some of the bigger veteran contracts being dropped and these guys having trouble being re-signed for big dollars.  This is in part, just a re-calibration of the market to bring it back in line with the new salary cap.  It will become less of a problem when (1) existing contract values are more in line with today's smaller cap (rather than 2009's $128 million cap) and (2) when the salary cap starts to increase again.  In the past, the cap grew around 6% or 7% per year on average, with periodic big spikes of 10% or even almost 20%.  It's growth has been much slower recently.  If growth rates increase again, you won't see as many veterans becoming unaffordable.  The question is, how much growth will happen and how soon?  If the cap remains relatively flat for a while, you're going to see contracts stay relatively flat as well with the biggest, most heavily backloaded contracts being dropped.  The ever-growing contracts we saw in the past were only possible with an ever-growing salary cap. 

     
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    The NFLPA wants their cake and they want yours as well, it's that simple. They fought tooth and nail over the rookie wage scale for years. It's pretty much the same thing. What rookies use to get paid hindered what vets got and would cause releases too, but the NFLPA wouldn't allow a rookie wage scale for the longest time. What the NFLPA wants is a higher cap so that Flacco can get the huge payday, driving up the market, and the vets can get paid too. That system was unsustainable and everyone knew it. The NFLPA signed the current CBA and knew this was coming, now they have no right to complain about it. Heck, I'm sure in 2015 when the cap jumps up almost $20mil they won't be complaining about the inflated contracts then. This is why I hate most unions (not all but most). I understand they need to fight for their members but don't point to the vets and say it's unfair they are getting laid off when just a couple years before you were championing higher and higher salaries that eventually lead to these layoffs. The NFLPA especially is penny wise and dollar foolish. If they don't want guys released and want more money to be spread around then you should suggest to your members to take lower deals to give money to the other members. Lets see how well that turns out.

     
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    NFLPA is just doing what they are supposed to do.  In fact, they may be too cooperative.  Sports is about the only industry in the world where owners want a union.  Most employers would be popping champagne corks if their union wanted to decertify.  In sports the owners file lawsuits to keep the union.  Why is that? Because the owners desperately want to avoid a free market situation where they'd have to do what every other business has to do-- compete against each other to get the best talent.  The owners prefer socialism to the free market bidding wars that would ensue without a union.  Anyone who blames the union is just reacting from anti-union bias. If you understand the business of sports you know the union is something the owners want as badly as the players!

     
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    NFLPA is just doing what they are supposed to do.  In fact, they may be too cooperative.  Sports is about the only industry in the world where owners want a union.  Most employers would be popping champagne corks if their union wanted to decertify.  In sports the owners file lawsuits to keep the union.  Why is that? Because the owners desperately want to avoid a free market situation where they'd have to do what every other business has to do-- compete against each other to get the best talent.  The owners prefer socialism to the free market bidding wars that would ensue without a union.  Anyone who blames the union is just reacting from anti-union bias. If you understand the business of sports you know the union is something the owners want as badly as the players!



    Oh I understand it because it allows them to remain a non-profit and not pay tons upon tons of dollars into taxes. I just really hate the do as I say not as I do type of people. Regardless if it's unions, politics, my boss, or friends. I hate when people come out and complain about something they themselves caused. If it's your fault to begin with don't act stupid and try to play both sides, that's just something that drives me bonkers not so much union bias, though I do fully admit I have a general dislike for most unions, esp public sector unions in general

     
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    Re: Wondering, about change

    I can't help but wonder as NFL salaries and profits continue to escalate, how much could average ticket prices be in the future?  $250?  $350, $550?

     

    Parking $100? $200?  $300?

     

    Beer $10? $20? $30?

     

    Hot Dog  $5?  $10? $20$

     

    I understand that prices will be whatever the market will bear but if they don't level off at some point, ALL seats might end up as Corporate owned seats used as tax write offs.   Games might be sparsley attended and only available to the public via Pay Per View with sounds of cheering fans being piped in (Canned Cheering).  I guess what I'm trying to say is how much is enough?  

     

    Would I take all that money if offered to me?  Of course.  But perhaps I'm still annoyed with players like multi millionaire Roger Clemens who while still with the Red Sox many years ago complained about how rough it was to have to carry his own bags when the team traveled.  :)

     

    And what about the owners and their share of millions if not billions of dollars of TV revenue that we all pay for in the advertising costs of stuff we buy?

     

    How much is enough?

     
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    That's right enough is enough, waiting another 9 years of these record contracts where the 30 year old proven Vets are getting whacked hard and - like PatEng says, " the Union can't have it both ways". I don't buy the 'Cap alone' process working out by itself to settle things down. Sanchez still has $50 mill guaranteed .... lol $100 Mill, Mario Williams getting stuffed at the line. That's not parity, it's stupidity.

    I know the Cap is a stop gap but there should be a complimentary process to go with it, something that will work as a subordinate tool along with the cap that the Owners and Union may agree. A progressive increase for these 2 year wonders will work fine for the league as a whole, then you can build a Team. If the owners make more money the Union gets a % anyway.

    Will NFL Teams become year by year builds or is the Team Dynasty era a thing of the past?
    Something needs to be done. If Brady does'nt do an extension, do we have Talib and Seabass now. If not, things don't look as good.

    The good news is if things stay like it is then Belichick keeps the Pats on top with the value added scheme. Most other Teams are screwed.

    Have a good day ....

     
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    In response to RidingWithTheKingII's comment:

    In response to palookaski's comment:

     

    Yes, 42ND46 .... good one. But I wonder again if this current methodology continues, then what good or damage will it cause. It appears that the Union is even upset. Should the Union call an " agreement Convention" to enable a better way?

     

     



    Plus, Edie Brickell was hot. Had a major crush on her circa 1989.

     



    i thought that first album was very good and it did have 2-3 radio hits...i thought they would have a longer run but they disappeared after that-i don't really remember anything from the follow-up LP-or did they even do one?

     
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    Yep,  'Stranger Things' happen on these threads, so 'What I am', doing here, 'Shooting Rubberbands at the Stars', on this forum, so Look Out Now! The Gaddabouts are alive and well.

    UC, name calling does'nt need to be a Volcano .....

     
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    hahaha ..... Ahg yes .... Hope makes many yearn for the natural .... The Warm inventions! A natural pill and qualifies for space on my wall ...She Hangs Brightly.....

    keep up your good work ...;-)

     
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    They put out 1 more which wasn't as accessible for most and the she went solo. Wasn't long after that where Paul Simon picked her up and she scaled back and became a mom.




    got it

     
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