Re: Would any other NFL team treat Tom Brady like this?
posted at 6/22/2013 11:55 AM EDT
In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:
In response to ghostofjri37's comment:
In response to UD6's comment:
I am not trying to stir the pot. I am, however, considering how dispassionately the pats look at players when it comes to value, contracts, and situations. It is my opinion that Brady has not done a great job developing receivers. There have been plenty that have come through the pats system that haven't become effective for the pats. Now, I'll mostly blame the receivers for this, but I do believe that once Brady finds valuable targets and synergy with those targets, he forgets the others - at least that seems to be the case for the last half dozen years.
As of today - there isn't a single one of those targets that is anticipated to start the season. No Gronkowski, no Hernandez, no Welker, no Branch. Further - another one year project, Lloyd is also gone.
When Brady was more game manager and not the focal point (when the pats were winning superbowls) they had a very effective running game and a legendary defense that never let an opponent's offense take over a game. Do they have either or those now?
If the answer is no, then the focus remains on the great Brady with tools with whom he has no long term relationship or synergy.
So again, given the way the pats dispassionately evaluate players, values, and situations, a Brady move is worth consideration. Brady just restructured his contract in a way that nearly any team in the NFL would give away the house for.
Okay, what Pat's recievers that TB didn't "develop" went to other teams and were "developed" by those teams and their QB's.
Perhaps the recievers they gave him to "develop" weren't capable of being "developed"?
This is my take. When the Pats get a new good receiver (Hern, Gronk), Brady gets him involved right away. The problem is that most of the receivers we've brought in were just bad. It's a player acquisition problem, not a player development problem.
Well, how many quality selections have NE really spent on WR? And how many quality FA have they really brought in? And how devoted is their drafting strategy to even having "ace" WRs?
When they've gone for quality, Brady has set records with guys like Gronk and Moss. Won MVPs with casts that included Branch, Givens, and Graham as major features. And they've even uncovered record setters like Welker. When they've gone for quality most often they've gotten quality results. He17, they've gotten quality results with some real scrubs.
Yes, Chad Jackson and Bethel Johnson ... but did they do *anything* after NE? No. They stunk as selections. No one made them better. They didn't click anywhere else.
Here are the top 25 WRs/TEs from the last 3 years in receiving and together they compose all the players that have graced the top 15 WRs in each of the last three seasons:
Calvin Johnson 1st Rnd
Andre Johnson 1st Rnd
Brandon Marshall 4th Rnd
Demaryius Thomas 1st Rnd
Vincent Jackson 2nd Rnd
Dez Bryant 1st Rnd
Wes Welker UDFA ("developed" by Tom Brady)
Roddy White 1st Rnd
A.J. Green 1st Rnd
Julio Jones 1st Rnd
Steve Smith 3rd Rnd
Marques Colston 7th Rd
Jimmy Graham 3rd Rnd
Michael Crabtree 1st Rnd
Victor Cruz UDFA
Rob Gronkowski 2nd Rnd
Mike Wallace 2nd Rnd
Jordy Nelson 2nd Rd
Eric Decker 3rd Rnd
Hakeem Nicks 1st Rnd
Dwayne Bowe 1st Rnd
Larry Fitzgerald 1st Rnd
Reggie Wayne 1st Rnd
Santana Moss 2nd Rnd (33rd selection)
Desean Jackson 1st Rnd
Notice a trend? 13 of them are first rounders. 4 of them are 2nd rounders. Of the rest, drafted lower than the third ... one of them was "developed" by Tom Brady and is a perrenial top 10 Wr.
The problem with WR here is the same with the problem NE had at getting pass rushers: that BB keeps drafting players that are versatile like Brandon Tate and Bethel Johnson and Daniel Graham with mixed results, or players that made people scratch their head like Taylor Price.
I just don't think that is a great strategy for some skill positions like WR, CB and DE/OLB (perhaps the spots they've struggled with the most). These roster spots are mono-taskers typically if they are to be great.
There was this amazing line about Mollasses Mike Jenkins in one of the articles. They focused on his ability to be an ace blocker downfield, as against his incredibly slow speed and inability to create separation.The writer said something to the effect that "It's nice that they are clicking, and he should create a big target that can do what Lloyd did for NE, short area possession catches, but at the end of the day having a great blocking WR is like having a great defensive first baseman. If he is starting for you, you are probably looking for a replacement."
NE's hit with two second rounders and missed with another two. They hit with one first rounder and missed with another, both at TE.
But overall, they've made some oddball selections like grabbing a blocking TE with a 32, or a KR Wr with a 2nd rounder hoping for versatility and getting mixed results.
This is why I loved the Dobson selection. If they miss with it, fine. But they would have missed the right way, actually taking a chance on a guy who can do one thing rather than hedging their bets and increasing the possibility of the getting the worst of both worlds instead of a player that has a high chance of sticking if only at special teams.
And if Ne wants an ACE WR like Fitzy or Megatron or Demaryius Thomas or any of those others up there, they should do what those teams did and pony up a 1st rounder on a WR. A real WR, not a WR with questions about his receiving ability, athletic upside, and a great resume as a KR/PR, either. Not a TE with questions about his speed and hands, but who is an amazing blocker, but a bonafide (he is either going to catch passes or be off the team) selection with a great resume as a WR and only as a WR.
Otherwise, it's clear it's not that high a priority. Which is fine, if that is their strategy.
Just don't pin it on Brady, who has set records, won SBs, and won MVPs with some pretty gnarly cast-offs and low rounders and been let down by some pretty shoddy selections (Johnson, Watson, Jackson, et al).