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Would any other NFL team treat Tom Brady like this?

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    Re: Would any other NFL team treat Tom Brady like this?

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

    After the disaster that was the 2006 draft BB was in deep doo doo. Not only did 2 high draft picks on offense bust, but now the good D he inherited was evaporating before his eyes as well. Of his next 12 top 3 picks (over 4 years) he picked 10 defenders. Meriweather, Brown, Wheatley, Crable, Chung, Brace, Butler, McCourty and Cunningham were the bulk of his choices and no way was that bunch going to effectively replace the aging D he was losing largely populated courtesy of his predecessors Parcells and Carrol. And precious few high draft picks were available for the offensive skill positions during that drafting debacle.

    The following year he picked a mix on both sides of the ball and the next threw nearly the whole damned thing at a D he just could not fix with the draft to save his life. This last draft he went back to trading down and picking guys that had many scratching their heads.

     

    ^^^ Calling "that" the work of the greatest GM of all time is preposterous.

     

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    2007
    The greatest team to not win a championship. The team was comprised of all Belichick players except Bruschi.

    2008
    They would have made some noise if they had only made the playoffs.

    2009
    A down year but they still finished 6th overall.

    2010
    They beat both super bowl participants in the regular season.

    2011
    They were a play or two from winning another SB.

    2012
    4th overall finish. Injuries got the best of them.

    It's super bowl or bust for you. I guess some fans will never be happy.

     
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    Re: Would any other NFL team treat Tom Brady like this?

    In response to digger0862's comment:

    2008
    They would have made some noise if they had only made the playoffs.

    2009
    A down year but they still finished 6th overall.

    2010
    They beat both super bowl participants in the regular season.

    2011
    They were a play or two from winning another SB.

    2012
    4th overall finish. Injuries got the best of them.

    It's super bowl or bust for you. I guess some fans will never be happy.



    I am certainly not "SB or bust", but at the same time, it's difficult to explain not winning it all very often if you believe in the Mt. Olympus address of Belichick.  If he's THAT awesome, there should be better outcomes to seasons than "they beat the teams that played the SB last year" and "missed the playoffs, but if they didn't..."

    Belichick is a great coach, a poor GM. 

     
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    Re: Would any other NFL team treat Tom Brady like this?

    In response to Not-A-Shot's comment:

    I am certainly not "SB or bust", but at the same time, it's difficult to explain not winning it all very often if you believe in the Mt. Olympus address of Belichick.  If he's THAT awesome, there should be better outcomes to seasons than "they beat the teams that played the SB last year" and "missed the playoffs, but if they didn't..."

    Belichick is a great coach, a poor GM.


    Well, if Belichick is a poor GM then so are the rest.

    Ozzie Newsome Ravens
    2008 11-5 Lost to Steelers conference championship
    2009  9-7 Lost to Colts divisional round
    2010 12-4 Lost to Steelers divisional round
    2011 12-4 Lost to Patriots conference championship
    2012 10-6 Won SB

    Jerry Reese Giants
    2008 12-4 Lost to Eagles divisional round
    2009  8-8 missed playoffs
    2010 10-6 missed playoffs
    2011  9-7 Won SB
    2012  9-7 missed playoffs

    Ted Thompson Packers
    2008 6-10 missed playoffs
    2009 11-5 Lost to Cardinals wild card round
    2010 10-6 Won SB
    2011 15-1 Lost to Giants divisional round
    2012 11-5 Lost to 49ers divisional round

    Mickey Loomis Saints
    2008  8-8 missed playoffs
    2009 13-3 Won SB
    2010 11-5 Lost to Seahawks wild card round
    2011 13-3 Lost to 49ers divisional round
    2012  7-9 missed playoffs

    Kevin Colbert Steelers
    2008 12-4 Won SB
    2009  9-7 missed playoffs
    2010 12-4 Lost to Packers super bowl
    2011 12-4 Lost to Broncos wild card round
    2012  8-8 missed playoffs

    These guys are the best of the best but they are no better than Belichick.

     
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    Re: Would any other NFL team treat Tom Brady like this?

    In response to zbellino's comment:

    1.) All of those teams won a Superbowl ... two if you inch back a season. 

    2.) BB also missed the playoffs once. 

    They are all good GMs -- maybe excepting Mickey Loomis in my opinion. I think he is just average: he misses a lot with some high picks.



    1.) I listed the last 5 SB winners.

    2. Yup, with an 11-5 record with a high school QB.

    Except for the Saints win, all of the last 6 super bowls were close games. The Patriots could have won both with some breaks (all credit given to the Giants). I just can't place blame on Bill the GM for those losses.

     
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    Re: Would any other NFL team treat Tom Brady like this?

    In response to DontQuestionBB's comment:


    I wonder what those records would be if any of those teams had Tom Brady at QB.

    I love Tom Brady. He wins games for us, no doubt. But there's 30 or so other players that contribute as well. He doesn't do it all by himself.

     
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    Re: Would any other NFL team treat Tom Brady like this?

     

     I think Belichick compares favourably to all those other GMs.  I just don't think BB is head and shoulders above them.  Yes, he manages the cap very well and keeps the team consistently strong--and is maybe better at that than anyone.  But he's had enough poor picks and enough trouble rebuilding certain positions that you can't say without qualitifcation that he's clearly better than the other top GMs.  I contend that the Pats' talent hasn't been quite championship calibre since 2007 and that they have advanced as far as they have in seasons since then mostly because of good coaching, Brady, and a few (but not enough) impact players.  

     
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    Re: Would any other NFL team treat Tom Brady like this?

    In response to digger0862's comment:

    These guys are the best of the best but they are no better than Belichick.



    What make them the best of the best?

     
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    Re: Would any other NFL team treat Tom Brady like this?

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    What make them the best of the best?

    Their teams have won a super bowl or two and are typically in the playoff hunt.

     
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    Re: Would any other NFL team treat Tom Brady like this?

    In response to digger0862's comment:

    In response to Not-A-Shot's comment:


    What make them the best of the best?

    Their teams have won a super bowl or two and are typically in the playoff hunt.

     




    That's a pretty low bar for such high praise.

    "The best of the best" seems to imply abilities well above and beyond that of his contemporaries.  Missing the playoffs three times in five years and having a barely winning record implies a few lucky bounces lead to a SB victory.

    Jerry Reese Giants
    2008 12-4 Lost to Eagles divisional round
    2009  8-8 missed playoffs
    2010 10-6 missed playoffs
    2011  9-7 Won SB
    2012  9-7 missed playoffs

     

     
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    Re: Would any other NFL team treat Tom Brady like this?

    In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:

      I think Belichick compares favourably to all those other GMs.  I just don't think BB is head and shoulders above them.  



    That right there already puts you in the minority regardless of whether you agree with Rusty that BB is the best ever.  We've got the majority of this board calling for BB to be canned.  Some of it is the usual suspects, but it amazes me how many people have jumped on that bandwagon since the Hernandez investigation.  I think its crazy and I imagine most fans of teams outside of NE do too.

     
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