Wozzy's Draft Guide 2013

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    WR obviously is another big need position for the Patriots, while the last few years I typically did the entire defense than followed the offense I think I’ll go on a need by need basis this year.  I could see the Pats walking away with two receivers this year.  Skill positions like WR and RB are plentiful here because I go by the notion that these guys can be found in the late rounds.  I assign my receivers by height, weight and position.

    Slot

    Tavon Austin                         WR      West Virginia  Sr        5-9      174

    Markus Wheaton                    WR      Oregon State  Sr        5-11    189

    Stedman Bailey                      WR      West Virginia  Jr         5-10    193 

    Marquise Goodwin                  WR      Texas              Sr        5-9      183

    T.J. Moe                                 WR      Missouri          Sr        6-0      204

    Chad Bumphis                        WR      Miss. State      Sr        5-10    196    

    Martel Moore                          WR      N. Illinois        Sr        6-0      188    

    Denard Robinson                    WR      Michigan        Sr        5-11    199    

    Alan Bonner                           WR      Jackson. St.     Sr        5-10    193   

     

    Possession

    Quinton Patton                      WR      Louis. Tech     Sr        6-0      204    

    Terrance Williams                   WR      Baylor             Sr        6-2      208    

    Robert Woods                         WR      USC                 Jr         6-1      201    

    Ryan Swope                           WR      Texas A&M      Sr        6-0      205    

    Tavarres King                         WR      Georgia           Sr        6-0      189    

    Kenny Stills                            WR      Oklahoma       Jr         6-1      194    

    Conner Vernon                       WR      Duke               Sr        6-0      196           

    Josh Boyce                             WR      TCU                 Jr         5-11    206 

    Corey Fuller                            WR      Virginia Tech    Sr        6-2      204    

    Marquess Wilson                     WR      Wash. St.         Jr         6-3      194        

    Alec Lemon                             WR      Syracuse         Sr        6-1      202           

    Ryan Spadola                          WR      Lehigh             Sr        6-1      204    

    Lanear Sampson                     WR      Baylor             Sr        5-11    204    

    Kenbrell Thompkins                 WR      Cincinnati       Sr        6-1      193           

    Charles Johnson                    WR      Grand Valley  Sr        6-2      215

     

    Big

    Justin Hunter                        WR      Tennessee      Jr         6-4      196    

    DeAndre Hopkins                  WR      Clemson         Jr         6-1      214    

    Cordarrelle Patterson             WR      Tennessee      Jr         6-2      216    

    Da'Rick Rogers                       WR      Tenn. Tech     Jr         6-3      217

    Aaron Dobson                        WR      Marshall         Sr        6-3      210

    Cobi Hamilton                        WR      Arkansas        Sr        6-2      212    

    Chris Harper                          WR      Kansas State   Sr        6-1      229    

    Rodney Smith                        WR      Florida State   Sr        6-5      225   

    Marcus Davis                          WR      Virginia Tech  Sr         6-3      233    

    Tyrone Goard                         WR      E. Kentucky    Sr        6-4      205 

    Mark Harrison                        WR      Rutgers           Sr        6-3      231

    *Updated 04/22

    Tavon Austin in my estimation is easily the best receiver in his class and maybe the best player in this draft.  I know most Pat's fans will be disinterested in a slot receiver we have no hope of getting so I've pulled another sure to be bothersome to fellow posters pick of Justin Hunter as the best of the bigs.  Picking him over his teammate is sure to prickle some people but I think he is the best package of height, speed and overall production.  

    There are certainly some freaks in this class, Rodney Smith for Florida State has some really good quickness for a guy his size even if he isn't a downfield burner.  

    The player most likely to be Wes Welker is TJ Moe from Missouri, incredible quickness, toughness, jumping and good hands but he wasn't tested often in a non passing offense, there's also the chance he winds up the next Jeremy Ebert.

     
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    WR obviously is another big need position for the Patriots, while the last few years I typically did the entire defense than followed the offense I think I’ll go on a need by need basis this year.  I could see the Pats walking away with two receivers this year.  Skill positions like WR and RB are plentiful here because I go by the notion that these guys can be found in the late rounds.  I assign my receivers by height, weight and position.

    Slot

    Tavon Austin                         WR      West Virginia  Sr        5-9      174

    Markus Wheaton                    WR      Oregon State  Sr        5-11    189

    Stedman Bailey                      WR      West Virginia  Jr         5-10    193 

    Marquise Goodwin                  WR      Texas              Sr        5-9      183

    T.J. Moe                                 WR      Missouri          Sr        6-0      204

    Chad Bumphis                        WR      Miss. State      Sr        5-10    196    

    Martel Moore                          WR      N. Illinois        Sr        6-0      188    

    Denard Robinson                    WR      Michigan        Sr        5-11    199    

    Alan Bonner                           WR      Jackson. St.     Sr        5-10    193   

     

    Possession

    Quinton Patton                      WR      Louis. Tech     Sr        6-0      204    

    Terrance Williams                   WR      Baylor             Sr        6-2      208    

    Robert Woods                         WR      USC                 Jr         6-1      201    

    Ryan Swope                           WR      Texas A&M      Sr        6-0      205    

    Tavarres King                         WR      Georgia           Sr        6-0      189    

    Kenny Stills                            WR      Oklahoma       Jr         6-1      194    

    Conner Vernon                       WR      Duke               Sr        6-0      196           

    Josh Boyce                             WR      TCU                 Jr         5-11    206 

    Corey Fuller                            WR      Virginia Tech    Sr        6-2      204    

    Marquess Wilson                     WR      Wash. St.         Jr         6-3      194        

    Alec Lemon                             WR      Syracuse         Sr        6-1      202           

    Ryan Spadola                          WR      Lehigh             Sr        6-1      204    

    Lanear Sampson                     WR      Baylor             Sr        5-11    204    

    Kenbrell Thompkins                 WR      Cincinnati       Sr        6-1      193           

     

    Big

    Justin Hunter                        WR      Tennessee      Jr         6-4      196    

    DeAndre Hopkins                  WR      Clemson         Jr         6-1      214    

    Cordarrelle Patterson             WR      Tennessee      Jr         6-2      216    

    Da'Rick Rogers                       WR      Tenn. Tech     Jr         6-3      217    

    Cobi Hamilton                        WR      Arkansas        Sr        6-2      212    

    Chris Harper                          WR      Kansas State   Sr        6-1      229    

    Rodney Smith                        WR      Florida State   Sr        6-5      225   

    Marcus Davis                          WR      Virginia Tech  Sr         6-3      233    

    Tyrone Goard                         WR      E. Kentucky    Sr        6-4      205 

    Mark Harrison                        WR      Rutgers           Sr        6-3      231

     

    Tavon Austin in my estimation is easily the best receiver in his class and maybe the best player in this draft.  I know most Pat's fans will be disinterested in a slot receiver we have no hope of getting so I've pulled another sure to be bothersome to fellow posters pick of Justin Hunter as the best of the bigs.  Picking him over his teammate is sure to prickle some people but I think he is the best package of height, speed and overall production.  

    There are certainly some freaks in this class, Rodney Smith for Florida State has some really good quickness for a guy his size even if he isn't a downfield burner.  

    The player most likely to be Wes Welker is TJ Moe from Missouri, incredible quickness, toughness, jumping and good hands but he wasn't tested often in a non passing offense, there's also the chance he winds up the next Jeremy Ebert.



    i like hunter, prefer hopkins or rogers though.

    did i miss something or did you not put dobson in there? internional? if so, why?

    thanks

     
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    Below is my full "Big 50" Draft Board.  This reflects where I have players rated as well as my preferences per round(s):

    Rd 1

    DT- Jesse Williams

    DE/OLB- Tank Carradine

    DT- Sylvester Williams

    WR- DeAndre Hopkins

    WR- Keenan Allen

    DT- John Hankins

    DL- Datone Jones

    CB- Desmond Trufant

     

    Rd 1-2

    WR- Stedman Bailey

    S- Matt Elam

    S- Jon Cyprien

     

    Rd 2

    CB- DJ Hayden

    CB- Logan Ryan

    CB- Johnthan Banks

     CB- Jamar Taylor

     WR- Quinton Patton

     S- Eric Reid

     CB- Jordan Poyer

     DT- John Jenkins

     

    Rd 2-3

    CB- Darius Slay

    WR- Markus Wheaton

    WR- Da'Rick Rogers

    S- Shamarko Thomas

    S- DJ Swearinger

     

    Rd 3

    WR- Ryan Swope

    CB- Tyrann Mathieu

    DE/OLB- Michael Buchanan

     DE/OLB- Margus Hunt

    OL- Barrett Jones

    OL- Brian Winters

    OL- David Quessenberry

    C/OG- Brian Schwenke

    DE/OLB- Lavar Edwards

    S- Keelan Johnson

    DT- Kwame Geathers

    DE/OLB- Devin Taylor

     

    Rd 4-7

    WR/PR- Ace Sanders

    S- Cooper Taylor

    WR- Josh Boyce

    S- Josh Evans

    OG- Jeff Baca

    DE/OLB- Cornelius Washington

    DL- Chris Jones

    DL- Josh Boyd

    WR- TJ Moe

    RB- Spencer Ware

    DL- Quinton Dial

    DL- Kapron Lewis-Moore

    OL- Tanner Hawkinson

    DL- Abry Jones

     

    Love to see Barrett Jones there at #3


     
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    It doesn't matter what you say about Floyd based on what you read... what matters is that scouts and those paid to actively rank players and make draft boards have Floyd going in the 4-8 range.

    He won't escape past pick 12-14, so putting him in the Patriots conversation or as a 2nd rd talent is absurd.

    It was like all those people who wanted JJ Watt 2 years ago... that's nice that you like him... but he's not getting past pick 12-14 so why bother talking about him?

     



    Show me a draft where everything went according to what Mel Kiper or Todd McShay said...

     

     

    .. because you'll never get a look at a real NFL team's big board so you wouldn't know where they rank them...

    .. if Floyd drops past 14 I expect an apology, if he falls to the 2nd round a gift would be nice, maybe a fresh 6'er of Sam Adams or another micro brew, preferably something I can't get here in Florida.  

    I didn't say Floyd was bad, he might even be considered one of the best 4/3 tackles on the board, most mocks are built for 4/3 defenses; I'm talking about the Patriots and I could be wrong.



    If you think floyd is going to escape the teens.... let alone make it into the 2nd rd.. you will 99.9999% be wrong. I'm not basing this on Kiper and McShay... the man was a beast at the combine that ahd scouts drooling. Pay attention Wozzy, c'mon man thats amature stuff and you have the nerve to start a thread to 'guide' us here when it comes to the draft?

     
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    It doesn't matter what you say about Floyd based on what you read... what matters is that scouts and those paid to actively rank players and make draft boards have Floyd going in the 4-8 range.

    He won't escape past pick 12-14, so putting him in the Patriots conversation or as a 2nd rd talent is absurd.

    It was like all those people who wanted JJ Watt 2 years ago... that's nice that you like him... but he's not getting past pick 12-14 so why bother talking about him?

     



    Show me a draft where everything went according to what Mel Kiper or Todd McShay said...

     

     

    .. because you'll never get a look at a real NFL team's big board so you wouldn't know where they rank them...

    .. if Floyd drops past 14 I expect an apology, if he falls to the 2nd round a gift would be nice, maybe a fresh 6'er of Sam Adams or another micro brew, preferably something I can't get here in Florida.  

    I didn't say Floyd was bad, he might even be considered one of the best 4/3 tackles on the board, most mocks are built for 4/3 defenses; I'm talking about the Patriots and I could be wrong.

     



    If you think floyd is going to escape the teens.... let alone make it into the 2nd rd.. you will 99.9999% be wrong. I'm not basing this on Kiper and McShay... the man was a beast at the combine that ahd scouts drooling. Pay attention Wozzy, c'mon man thats amature stuff and you have the nerve to start a thread to 'guide' us here when it comes to the draft?

     



    hey rame, floyd was one of 2 dts i had for the pats back when he had a rd 2 grade (him and syl williams). as i wanted some pass rush. de prefereable, but if dt i had those 2 as they can penetrate.

    had asah when he wastn first rounder. npow that hes a top 5 projection, im looking carradine at 29

     
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    If you think floyd is going to escape the teens.... let alone make it into the 2nd rd.. you will 99.9999% be wrong. I'm not basing this on Kiper and McShay... the man was a beast at the combine that ahd scouts drooling. Pay attention Wozzy, c'mon man thats amature stuff and you have the nerve to start a thread to 'guide' us here when it comes to the draft?

     

     

    In 3 years at Florida he has 4 sacks... a real world beater that one.

    Don't get me wrong, he'll be a decent 4/3 tackle but I don't think he's a fit for the Pats.  If a workout warrior is what you're looking for Dontari Poe was a great one and a real dud as a #1 draft pick.  If you're going to call me an amateur please take the time to spell it correctly but I don't presume to teach you anything as you already seem to know it all.

     
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    If you think floyd is going to escape the teens.... let alone make it into the 2nd rd.. you will 99.9999% be wrong. I'm not basing this on Kiper and McShay... the man was a beast at the combine that ahd scouts drooling. Pay attention Wozzy, c'mon man thats amature stuff and you have the nerve to start a thread to 'guide' us here when it comes to the draft?

     

     

    In 3 years at Florida he has 4 sacks... a real world beater that one.

    Don't get me wrong, he'll be a decent 4/3 tackle but I don't think he's a fit for the Pats.  If a workout warrior is what you're looking for Dontari Poe was a great one and a real dud as a #1 draft pick.  If you're going to call me an amateur please take the time to spell it correctly but I don't presume to teach you anything as you already seem to know it all.



    I don't presume to know it all, clearly that spelling eluded me.... but Poe was expected to go 10-25 last year, so if you showed up and said he'd be a late 2nd/early 3rd rd pick the Pats should look at with their 2 seconf rounders, I'd definitely call you out on that one too.

    Floyd may or may not be a beast in the NFL... that isn't the issue... it is that he 99.99% won't escape the top 20 picks, likely not even the top 10, that is obvious to anyone following the draft.

    And BTW... he'd be an awesome fit for the Patriots

     
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    I don't presume to know it all, clearly that spelling eluded me.... but Poe was expected to go 10-25 last year, so if you showed up and said he'd be a late 2nd/early 3rd rd pick the Pats should look at with their 2 seconf rounders, I'd definitely call you out on that one too.

     

    Floyd may or may not be a beast in the NFL... that isn't the issue... it is that he 99.99% won't escape the top 20 picks, likely not even the top 10, that is obvious to anyone following the draft.

    And BTW... he'd be an awesome fit for the Patriots



    Hey man, most people didn't think Brady Quinn or Aaron Rodgers would slide as far as they did either. Its not likely but don't count anything out in the draft. Thats what makes it so much fun!

     
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    I don't presume to know it all, clearly that spelling eluded me.... but Poe was expected to go 10-25 last year, so if you showed up and said he'd be a late 2nd/early 3rd rd pick the Pats should look at with their 2 seconf rounders, I'd definitely call you out on that one too.

    Floyd may or may not be a beast in the NFL... that isn't the issue... it is that he 99.99% won't escape the top 20 picks, likely not even the top 10, that is obvious to anyone following the draft.

    And BTW... he'd be an awesome fit for the Patriots



    Again we'll see, the list of players who were supposed to be drafted early but had to sit there uncomfortably as others got called is long.  

    I don't even think he'll wait that long, just happen to think he's overrated, don't take it personally just because he's your binky.

    And after the combine last year Poe was the number one or two rated DT on most boards, that's how he got taken with the 11th pick, and it was a mistake... it does happen you know, or haven't you heard of Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, Todd Marinovich, Kijana Carter, Jamarcus Russell and on and on...

     

     

     
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    Just b/c you got caught with your pants down Wozzy doesn't mean you now have to vehemently try and demean Floyd's game and put his name in a list with the 5 biggest busts in the last 25 years of NFL history, 3 of them QB's. Are you seriously that injured by being told so many times on this thread that a projected top 8 pick won't make the 2nd round that you will result to such tiresome and idiotic hyperbole?

    You responded by attempting to be clever and pick holes in the guys game and predict he might be one of those rare guys to 'drop' as if you knew all along how highly ranked he currently is. But the odds are clearly against him being the RARE case of a top 8 pick lasting into the late 20's or 2nd rd (this doesn't happen ALL the time) and you simply didn't know he dominated the combine and leaped up EVERYONE's board, you felt he was still in that 25-40 range people had him at in the Fall. 

    no big deal... if you weren't in the same instance being arrogant and attempting to act like some sort of 'be all end all' when it comes to draft analysis... you're not buddy, you got the same knowledge as the average fan on this forum, get over yourself.

     
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    Oh, the sensitivity by some ...  lol

    Ok wozzy, thanks for your effort ....
    Yeah, I've been on the same page with you about our first need, a penetrating DT monster next to Vince. So from the 4 DT you list, which one do you realistically think may fall to the 29 spot? Which one is the better push the pocket DL 3/4, IYO. So, you'd be happy with either one? Star, just may be the one to fall.

    DT
    1st round

    Star Lotulelei             DT       6'2½"311     Utah                          
    Johnathan Hankins   DT       6'2⅞"320     Ohio State                
    Sylvester Williams     DT       6'2⅝"313     North Carolina         
    Johnathan Jenkins    DT       6'3⅝"346     Georgia

    Enjoy your comments ..;-) Which County in FL. RU from?

     
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    Just b/c you got caught with your pants down Wozzy doesn't mean you now have to vehemently try and demean Floyd's game and put his name in a list with the 5 biggest busts in the last 25 years of NFL history, 3 of them QB's. Are you seriously that injured by being told so many times on this thread that a projected top 8 pick won't make the 2nd round that you will result to such tiresome and idiotic hyperbole?

    You responded by attempting to be clever and pick holes in the guys game and predict he might be one of those rare guys to 'drop' as if you knew all along how highly ranked he currently is. But the odds are clearly against him being the RARE case of a top 8 pick lasting into the late 20's or 2nd rd (this doesn't happen ALL the time) and you simply didn't know he dominated the combine and leaped up EVERYONE's board, you felt he was still in that 25-40 range people had him at in the Fall. 

    no big deal... if you weren't in the same instance being arrogant and attempting to act like some sort of 'be all end all' when it comes to draft analysis... you're not buddy, you got the same knowledge as the average fan on this forum, get over yourself.



    Maybe you didn't read my addendum in the beginning when I said I don't take any of this too seriously, I equate my picks to junk science and say it's all in fun.  I think you're missing the fun part...

    I have a right to think a player is overrated, I don't think I need your permission and clearly I thought so before we chatted and still feel that way now, don't know how you think that means I was caught with my pants down?  You said it yourself, this guy shot up people's boards AFTER the combine, which clearly indicates his college career wasn't that spectacular.  I'm weary about players who were minimally effective during their playing careers and become workout warriors at the draft.  

    The first and last thing I look at when judging a player is production, the measurables are all fine and well but if they didn't produce in college then they are really just good at working out.  I think he is overrated, that's why he's in my second tier of players.  Considering nearly 300 players enter themselves into the draft, the fact that I have him on my list means I think he's not too shabby. It doesn't matter where he is projected, this is my projection, if I'm right or wrong time and circumstances will tell.  I wonder if the guy goes on to be a career back up if you'll be back here to eat some crow, somehow I doubt it.  I know that this thread will be available to reach back and grab so obviously I'm not too afraid to rationalize and back up my picks.

    I suggest you post your own, that way a year from now your picks will be laid in cement and I can laugh at them or you can hold this over me, at least I'm willing to lay it all out there.  Not complain about who Belichick should have taken with no proof I said so at the time...

     

     
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    Oh, the sensitivity by some ...  lol

    Ok wozzy, thanks for your effort ....
    Yeah, I've been on the same page with you about our first need, a penetrating DT monster next to Vince. So from the 4 DT you list, which one do you realistically think may fall to the 29 spot? Which one is the better push the pocket DL 3/4, IYO. So, you'd be happy with either one? Star, just may be the one to fall.

    DT
    1st round

    Star Lotulelei             DT       6'2½"311     Utah                          
    Johnathan Hankins   DT       6'2⅞"320     Ohio State                
    Sylvester Williams     DT       6'2⅝"313     North Carolina         
    Johnathan Jenkins    DT       6'3⅝"346     Georgia

    Enjoy your comments ..;-) Which County in FL. RU from?



    Right?

    All four to me are the same player, but perception is the top two are the best and perception might not be wrong.  Star and Hankins are just plain nasty, that being said Williams and Jenkins aren't much of a drop off.  

    I hope and trust that quite a few NFL teams looking at DT will fall into the camp of the sourpuss above, yeah I actually hope what he says will come true, and guys like Shariff, Kawann Short and Akeem Spence get taken high that way Jenkins will drop to us.  If not there is still depth there and I trust BB will either take the player he knows he can mold or if he doesn't see that player sitting there he'll take the best player available regardless of position... which likely will be a receiver depending on how the picks fall.

    I live in Miami.

     

     
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    did i miss something or did you not put dobson in there? internional? if so, why?

    thanks



    Actually I may have to go back and add Dobson, he didn't work out at the combine so he fell off my board but looking over his pro day numbers they were pretty eye popping.  The other reason I didn't have him on my board beyond overlooking the Marshall pro day workout was his production, while it wasn't bad it wasn't all that great either, it might say more about Marshall or his QB than him, he was better in 2011 than last year, but I completely whiffed on Chandler Jones last year for the same reason and he turned out pretty good so far... 

     
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    If you think floyd is going to escape the teens.... let alone make it into the 2nd rd.. you will 99.9999% be wrong. I'm not basing this on Kiper and McShay... the man was a beast at the combine that ahd scouts drooling. Pay attention Wozzy, c'mon man thats amature stuff and you have the nerve to start a thread to 'guide' us here when it comes to the draft?

     

     

    In 3 years at Florida he has 4 sacks... a real world beater that one.

    Don't get me wrong, he'll be a decent 4/3 tackle but I don't think he's a fit for the Pats.  If a workout warrior is what you're looking for Dontari Poe was a great one and a real dud as a #1 draft pick.  If you're going to call me an amateur please take the time to spell it correctly but I don't presume to teach you anything as you already seem to know it all.

     



    I don't presume to know it all, clearly that spelling eluded me.... but Poe was expected to go 10-25 last year, so if you showed up and said he'd be a late 2nd/early 3rd rd pick the Pats should look at with their 2 seconf rounders, I'd definitely call you out on that one too.

     

    Floyd may or may not be a beast in the NFL... that isn't the issue... it is that he 99.99% won't escape the top 20 picks, likely not even the top 10, that is obvious to anyone following the draft.

    And BTW... he'd be an awesome fit for the Patriots



    hey rame, posted him as 1 of 2 dts i liked for pats 2-3 months ago on draft thread (when he  was projected in rd 2 and there was no talk of selectign him on the thread).

     
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    did i miss something or did you not put dobson in there? internional? if so, why?

    thanks

     



    Actually I may have to go back and add Dobson, he didn't work out at the combine so he fell off my board but looking over his pro day numbers they were pretty eye popping.  The other reason I didn't have him on my board beyond overlooking the Marshall pro day workout was his production, while it wasn't bad it wasn't all that great either, it might say more about Marshall or his QB than him, he was better in 2011 than last year, but I completely whiffed on Chandler Jones last year for the same reason and he turned out pretty good so far... 

     

     



    yeah wozz, what i read and hear is that hsi qb was the reason (hes on my tier 2 of possible wrs to pats)

     

     
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    :) cant we all just get along.....

     
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    If you think floyd is going to escape the teens.... let alone make it into the 2nd rd.. you will 99.9999% be wrong. I'm not basing this on Kiper and McShay... the man was a beast at the combine that ahd scouts drooling. Pay attention Wozzy, c'mon man thats amature stuff and you have the nerve to start a thread to 'guide' us here when it comes to the draft?

     

     

    In 3 years at Florida he has 4 sacks... a real world beater that one.

    Don't get me wrong, he'll be a decent 4/3 tackle but I don't think he's a fit for the Pats.  If a workout warrior is what you're looking for Dontari Poe was a great one and a real dud as a #1 draft pick.  If you're going to call me an amateur please take the time to spell it correctly but I don't presume to teach you anything as you already seem to know it all.

     



    I don't presume to know it all, clearly that spelling eluded me.... but Poe was expected to go 10-25 last year, so if you showed up and said he'd be a late 2nd/early 3rd rd pick the Pats should look at with their 2 seconf rounders, I'd definitely call you out on that one too.

     

    Floyd may or may not be a beast in the NFL... that isn't the issue... it is that he 99.99% won't escape the top 20 picks, likely not even the top 10, that is obvious to anyone following the draft.

    And BTW... he'd be an awesome fit for the Patriots

     



    hey rame, posted him as 1 of 2 dts i liked for pats 2-3 months ago on draft thread (when he  was projected in rd 2 and there was no talk of selectign him on the thread).

     




    I had him down in Sept/Oct as a possible guy for the Pats to target... by bowl season he was out of reach for us and by the combine he was a top 8 pick

    It is currently pointless to project him as a 2nd rd pick... that is just foolish... but if Wozzy wants to call him overrated or nit-pick is collegiate stats he is welcome to do so:-)

     
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    If you think floyd is going to escape the teens.... let alone make it into the 2nd rd.. you will 99.9999% be wrong. I'm not basing this on Kiper and McShay... the man was a beast at the combine that ahd scouts drooling. Pay attention Wozzy, c'mon man thats amature stuff and you have the nerve to start a thread to 'guide' us here when it comes to the draft?

     

     

    In 3 years at Florida he has 4 sacks... a real world beater that one.

    Don't get me wrong, he'll be a decent 4/3 tackle but I don't think he's a fit for the Pats.  If a workout warrior is what you're looking for Dontari Poe was a great one and a real dud as a #1 draft pick.  If you're going to call me an amateur please take the time to spell it correctly but I don't presume to teach you anything as you already seem to know it all.

     



    I don't presume to know it all, clearly that spelling eluded me.... but Poe was expected to go 10-25 last year, so if you showed up and said he'd be a late 2nd/early 3rd rd pick the Pats should look at with their 2 seconf rounders, I'd definitely call you out on that one too.

     

    Floyd may or may not be a beast in the NFL... that isn't the issue... it is that he 99.99% won't escape the top 20 picks, likely not even the top 10, that is obvious to anyone following the draft.

    And BTW... he'd be an awesome fit for the Patriots

     



    hey rame, posted him as 1 of 2 dts i liked for pats 2-3 months ago on draft thread (when he  was projected in rd 2 and there was no talk of selectign him on the thread).

     

     




    I had him down in Sept/Oct as a possible guy for the Pats to target... by bowl season he was out of reach for us and by the combine he was a top 8 pick

     

    It is currently pointless to project him as a 2nd rd pick... that is just foolish... but if Wozzy wants to call him overrated or nit-pick is collegiate stats he is welcome to do so:-)



    Well, it's just his opinion for what it's worth.

    my opinion is closer to yours, in that Floyd is a guaranteed 1st round selection. 

    Wozz...he played both 3-4 de and 4-3 DT, so he represents a ton of value to the pats if he fell to 29. I think bb would jump at the chance if he had it. 

    In terms of his production...the numbers don't tell the whole story either. Yeah, he put up 46 tackles, 13 tfl's, 3 sacks, etc last season, but he also demanded doubles and pushed the pocket which created sacks for his de's. 

    prediction, he goes top 20 And will be the 2nd or 3rd DT taken. 

     
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    I didn't say he wouldn't be drafted in the 1st round, I said I thought his stock was vastly overrated and to me is a 2nd round talent.  Time will tell if I am right or wrong, not you guys...

    I said the same about Dontari Poe last year and was right.

     
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    WR obviously is another big need position for the Patriots, while the last few years I typically did the entire defense than followed the offense I think I’ll go on a need by need basis this year.  I could see the Pats walking away with two receivers this year.  Skill positions like WR and RB are plentiful here because I go by the notion that these guys can be found in the late rounds.  I assign my receivers by height, weight and position.

    Slot

    Tavon Austin                         WR      West Virginia  Sr        5-9      174

    Markus Wheaton                    WR      Oregon State  Sr        5-11    189

    Stedman Bailey                      WR      West Virginia  Jr         5-10    193 

    Marquise Goodwin                  WR      Texas              Sr        5-9      183

    T.J. Moe                                 WR      Missouri          Sr        6-0      204

    Chad Bumphis                        WR      Miss. State      Sr        5-10    196    

    Martel Moore                          WR      N. Illinois        Sr        6-0      188    

    Denard Robinson                    WR      Michigan        Sr        5-11    199    

    Alan Bonner                           WR      Jackson. St.     Sr        5-10    193   

     

    Possession

    Quinton Patton                      WR      Louis. Tech     Sr        6-0      204    

    Terrance Williams                   WR      Baylor             Sr        6-2      208    

    Robert Woods                         WR      USC                 Jr         6-1      201    

    Ryan Swope                           WR      Texas A&M      Sr        6-0      205    

    Tavarres King                         WR      Georgia           Sr        6-0      189    

    Kenny Stills                            WR      Oklahoma       Jr         6-1      194    

    Conner Vernon                       WR      Duke               Sr        6-0      196           

    Josh Boyce                             WR      TCU                 Jr         5-11    206 

    Corey Fuller                            WR      Virginia Tech    Sr        6-2      204    

    Marquess Wilson                     WR      Wash. St.         Jr         6-3      194        

    Alec Lemon                             WR      Syracuse         Sr        6-1      202           

    Ryan Spadola                          WR      Lehigh             Sr        6-1      204    

    Lanear Sampson                     WR      Baylor             Sr        5-11    204    

    Kenbrell Thompkins                 WR      Cincinnati       Sr        6-1      193           

     

    Big

    Justin Hunter                        WR      Tennessee      Jr         6-4      196    

    DeAndre Hopkins                  WR      Clemson         Jr         6-1      214    

    Cordarrelle Patterson             WR      Tennessee      Jr         6-2      216    

    Da'Rick Rogers                       WR      Tenn. Tech     Jr         6-3      217    

    Cobi Hamilton                        WR      Arkansas        Sr        6-2      212    

    Chris Harper                          WR      Kansas State   Sr        6-1      229    

    Rodney Smith                        WR      Florida State   Sr        6-5      225   

    Marcus Davis                          WR      Virginia Tech  Sr         6-3      233    

    Tyrone Goard                         WR      E. Kentucky    Sr        6-4      205 

    Mark Harrison                        WR      Rutgers           Sr        6-3      231

     

    Tavon Austin in my estimation is easily the best receiver in his class and maybe the best player in this draft.  I know most Pat's fans will be disinterested in a slot receiver we have no hope of getting so I've pulled another sure to be bothersome to fellow posters pick of Justin Hunter as the best of the bigs.  Picking him over his teammate is sure to prickle some people but I think he is the best package of height, speed and overall production.  

    There are certainly some freaks in this class, Rodney Smith for Florida State has some really good quickness for a guy his size even if he isn't a downfield burner.  

    The player most likely to be Wes Welker is TJ Moe from Missouri, incredible quickness, toughness, jumping and good hands but he wasn't tested often in a non passing offense, there's also the chance he winds up the next Jeremy Ebert.



    Wozzy, how do you define slot WRs? Is it just size? Wheaton, Goodwin, and Bailey are outside guys not slot guys while Woods and Patton are considered mostly slot type of guys. Just trying to get a feel on how you are seeing guys

     
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    Wozzy, how do you define slot WRs? Is it just size? Wheaton, Goodwin, and Bailey are outside guys not slot guys while Woods and Patton are considered mostly slot type of guys. Just trying to get a feel on how you are seeing guys



    What they did in college will have no bearing on their NFL career, I can't envision them living out on the perimeter for very long.  Even hyper fast guys like DeSean Jackson eventually will move inside, so size had a influence where I placed them but also agility, obviously they all scored really high on their shuttle and three cone drills.  This doesn't mean they can't play anywhere on the field, a running back can line up anywhere also but until a little guy proves he can out muscle Richard Sherman of the Seahawks that's how I break them down.

     
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    Wozzy, how do you define slot WRs? Is it just size? Wheaton, Goodwin, and Bailey are outside guys not slot guys while Woods and Patton are considered mostly slot type of guys. Just trying to get a feel on how you are seeing guys

     



    What they did in college will have no bearing on their NFL career, I can't envision them living out on the perimeter for very long.  Even hyper fast guys like DeSean Jackson eventually will move inside, so size had a influence where I placed them but also agility, obviously they all scored really high on their shuttle and three cone drills.  This doesn't mean they can't play anywhere on the field, a running back can line up anywhere also but until a little guy proves he can out muscle Richard Sherman of the Seahawks that's how I break them down.

     



    There are "bigger" WR's in the NFL today that can't out muscle Richard Sherman, so what?  Should they not be considered outside receivers? Kinda tough to use Sherman as your baseline when he's one of, if not the only top tier CB's in the NFL today with that size/length/skill set.  It should be viewed on a case by case basis... how does a kid compete vs. press coverage?  Can he get a release off the LOS?  Can he seperate? 

     
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    I didn't say the "slot" receiver designation meant they couldn't line up anywhere, in fact I thought I cleared that up with the following post.  That being said if you're 174 pounds and have incredible change of direction, lateral quickness I'm going to stereotype you as a slot guy. 

    I suppose I could have lumped them all together and called them all receivers but there is a palpable difference between a 5'7" 174 guy and a 6'4" 220 pound guy.  If not we would have had a down field threat when we had the best slot receiver in the NFL Wes Welker... we didn't.

     
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    I didn't say he wouldn't be drafted in the 1st round, I said I thought his stock was vastly overrated and to me is a 2nd round talent.  Time will tell if I am right or wrong, not you guys...

    I said the same about Dontari Poe last year and was right.



    This is what you said:

    This is my depth chart with the top being best, bottom being leftovers that might be finds late in the draft.

     

    Then you listed guys by ROUNDS OF THE DRAFT

     

    So you want us to consider your list to be both your personal talent assessment of where they DESERVE to be drafted based on YOUR EYE TEST.... AND you want us to view the players talents as fits and as potential future Patriots based on where they can be found in the draft rounds?

    Ummm....sorry... can't have it both ways... you can't take an obvious top 20 pick... call him a 2nd-3rd rd talent... and then have us look at him with a bunch of second day talent as players that might be picks for the Patriots based on where the Pats are picking.

    You can say: "Floyd is a 2nd rd talent, just wait and see what he does, but I understand he will be gone when we pick'

    But you can't: throw him into a bunch of names in the 2nd-3rd rd and say 'which guys are fits for the Pats system, who do you want to draft?" that is foolish when talking about a projected 3-8 pick.

     
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