Wozzy's Draft Guide 2013

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    I half expect BB to trade OUT of the first round and get a pick later this year (2nd or 3rd) and a pick next year. THis unless there are one or two players he would wait for and they do fall.

     
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    I half expect BB to trade OUT of the first round and get a pick later this year (2nd or 3rd) and a pick next year. THis unless there are one or two players he would wait for and they do fall.



    Both DT and WR are very deep this year, if it comes time to pick and BB sees a lot of value there he may very well trade down.  Then again the value of a late first rounder is much better since they changed the rookie pay scale, moving down may not be what it used to be.  I really hope they've target Jenkins or Sylvester Williams and grab him if he's still there or if Hankins drops further than expected that they actually move up to get him.

     
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    I don't follow college football closely enough to really have strong opinions one way or the other on any players.  I find other people's suggestions interesting, but really can't say who's right or who's wrong, because I don't watch enough college football to form my own opinion and would therefore be relying only on what I read.  

    As far as Wozzy's list, it is consistent with Wozzy's philosophy about what makes good football.  If you read Wozzy's posts regularly as I do, you know he likes power football on both offense and defense.  He tends to rate big, powerful players more highly than speedy, agile players.  That's one reason he likes 3-4 better than 4-3 and is big on the running game (and TEs and fullbacks) more than the passing game (and WRs).  This is all reasonable . . . the power game is a great game.  Personally, though, I tend to think Belichick is very flexible and will adjust scheme to available talent rather than sticking to one approach.  I could see Belichick moving back to the big two-gap 3-4 he used in the past or staying with an approach that emphasizes speed a bit more with more one-gap 4-3 concepts employed.  

    Will be interesting to see how it works out in the draft. 

     

     
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    I could see Belichick moving back to the big two-gap 3-4 he used in the past or staying with an approach that emphasizes speed a bit more with more one-gap 4-3 concepts employed.  

    Will be interesting to see how it works out in the draft. 

     



    Thanks for the reasonable exchange Prolate, I would also add that Vince Wilfork is 31 years old, my picks also reflect an eye toward the future.

     

     
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    I could see Belichick moving back to the big two-gap 3-4 he used in the past or staying with an approach that emphasizes speed a bit more with more one-gap 4-3 concepts employed.  

    Will be interesting to see how it works out in the draft. 

     



    Thanks for the reasonable exchange Prolate, I would also add that Vince Wilfork is 31 years old, my picks also reflect an eye toward the future.

     



    Yeah, the amount they rely on Vince scares me a tad.  If he goes down, it would be really ugly. 

    I always enjoy your posts Wozzy, even when we disagree--and definitely respect both your knowledge and your point of view. 

     
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    Yeah, the amount they rely on Vince scares me a tad.  If he goes down, it would be really ugly. 

    I always enjoy your posts Wozzy, even when we disagree--and definitely respect both your knowledge and your point of view. 



    The feeling is mutual on both fronts, god forbid something happens to big Vince, Love will be our starting nose tackle?!

    Conversely if we had a starting 3 of Vince, Jenkins and Love/Armstead that would be a seriously formidable front.

     
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    I half expect BB to trade OUT of the first round and get a pick later this year (2nd or 3rd) and a pick next year. THis unless there are one or two players he would wait for and they do fall.

     



    Both DT and WR are very deep this year, if it comes time to pick and BB sees a lot of value there he may very well trade down.  Then again the value of a late first rounder is much better since they changed the rookie pay scale, moving down may not be what it used to be.  I really hope they've target Jenkins or Sylvester Williams and grab him if he's still there or if Hankins drops further than expected that they actually move up to get him.

     



    Actually Woz it is because of your own observation - that the draft is deep at some key positions and so trading down does not drop value too much (in general unless they target a specific few that might fall to them) - that I would think BB will trade down either for more picks this year or the same number this year and more next year. I think trading down this year and getting more next is the way he will go if he is not excited by the people he might target this year (this is in large part a factor of the comparison between potential rookies and the current roster including FA).

     

     

     
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    You seem very threatened by my post, why don't you ignore it.

    Years from now when Floyd is all done and had a genuinely mediocre career we can revisit it.

     




    This and the post that followed it are what people caught with their pants down say when they give up trying to defend themselves when they are clearly proven wrong, and rather than just be a man and admit it, they instead just spin off in different directions and pretend to take the high road.... b/c there is no leg to stand on anymore when it comes to the original error that was made. The original boo-boo was no big deal, until someone couldn't admit to it, then it just became sad to watch the spin

     

     



    let it go rame.

     

     




    its just kinda pathetic to see an arrogant person puff out their chest and act like this board has been anticipating their opinions on the draft and need his 'guide', and entire thread started, just to know about the talent at DT this year, a subject discussed in depth for months.

     

    Meanwhile at the same time he completely swings and misses on Floyd, clearly thinking a few days ago that the guy can be in the discussions for our pick at 29, which he can't. Then the refusal to budge, admit to any errors and in instead childishly lecture others and spin away from the main issue just became shameful and let me know the type of person wozzy really is.

    Ok, I'll move on now, clearly he won't be a real man on the subject anyhow




    Opinions differ. No surprise. That is suppose to be why they are opinions (though unfortunately we do live in a world where facts are treater like opinion!!!!!!! how rediculous is that?). There will be differences here. ANd it is fine to debate them. It is fine to be blunt if you choose to be. But it is usually not OK to be rude. I can fall into that sometimes. In the heat of it I think I am reacting to either rudeness or absurdity - and maybe I am many times but I suspect/expect I over react sometimes.

    But there is way too much of it here. Chill. Make your point... challenge someone to defend their points or refute yours. But if any of us are going to fall into insults think a 2nd and 3rd time before doing it.

    Comments like "clearly he won't be a real man on the subject anyhow" and whatever comment may have antagonized to this point are just unnecessary. It is why many of us are reading fewer and fewer posts here.

    It would be nice if a specific post which was essentially a personal attack could be flagged that way so we could all just use the IGNORE for those posts! Now that would reduce the visible posts be a whole lot.

     

     
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    its just kinda pathetic to see an arrogant person puff out their chest and act like this board has been anticipating their opinions on the draft and need his 'guide', and entire thread started, just to know about the talent at DT this year, a subject discussed in depth for months.

    Meanwhile at the same time he completely swings and misses on Floyd, clearly thinking a few days ago that the guy can be in the discussions for our pick at 29, which he can't. Then the refusal to budge, admit to any errors and in instead childishly lecture others and spin away from the main issue just became shameful and let me know the type of person wozzy really is.

    Ok, I'll move on now, clearly he won't be a real man on the subject anyhow

    "I didn't say Floyd was bad, he might even be considered one of the best 4/3 tackles on the board, most mocks are built for 4/3 defenses; I'm talking about the Patriots and I could be wrong."

     

    That's a quote from me responding to you a few days ago, that's me "being arrogant."  Me saying this is "all in fun," that it's "not to be taken seriously," that's me puffing out my chest?

    I'm pretty sure nobody is anticipating what anyone has to say here, but we come here to talk football not to get lectured by some halfwit with an axe to grind.  Nobody is hanging on your every word either Plato, but then again I'm not here policing what people can and cannot write, I'm not claiming to be the expert you seem to be.

    It wasn't my opinion Floyd would or wouldn't be available when we pick, it was my opinion he is a 2nd round talent.  I give a F whether you like it or not or whether you approve of my starting a thread, I'm sure this goes back ten years ago and my schooling you on the Celtics forum, I could care less. 

    As far as my manhood is concerned, what do you want from me, to change my opinion?  None of this draft talk, whether it's my thread, TexPats thread, MBeliueu's thread is based on fact, it's all opinion and opinions differ. 

    This sounds personal, so why don't you either put me on ignore or blow it out your a**

     

     
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    Where is Aaron Dobson?

     
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    I'll spell it out for you since you seem to be slow on the uptake:

     

    Sorry, but it was your opinion that we could lump Floyd in with a bunch of guys actually projected to be around in rd 2 or when the Pats picked.

    Actually yes, that was my opinion, these people in my 2nd round on were inferior talents to the 1st round guys specifically and especially regarding Patriot needs, is this so hard to understand? 

    Jessie Williams, Akeem Spence, Sheldon Richardson, Kawaan Short, Bennie Logan and Brandon Williams are all projected on one mock draft or another to go in the 1st round as well, why is Shariff special, are you guys cousins or something?

    That was your 'depth chart' not a projection of future talent, that was only your spin.

    I don't know what this means^ but I don't think you know what a depth chart is or maybe what spin is?

    Seriously, I said I was done with this, but for you to continue to insult Floyd while at the same time claiming you actually were aware he wouldn't be anywhere close to where the Pats picked (so why isn't he in rd 1 on your depth chart?) is sad. You ranked 11 DT's ahead of a likely top 10 pick, then acted like a defiant a** when called out on the error.

    It's not an error, it's an opinion.  Please look up in the dictionary the difference between an "opinion" and "fact."  Numerous posters here have tried to point that out to you but you seem to think I made an "error."  I could insult Floyd all day, how does that translate to my insulting you? Also you don't know where the Pat's are picking because it's a fluid list, they could trade up for all you know, they did it twice last year.

    It's MY OPINION that Floyd will be an average player and it would be a mistake for the Patriots take him in the first round.  

    It's my opinion that he might make a solid 4/3 tackle for some team but for either the 3/4 or the 2/4/5 that the Pat's employ it would be a mistake to take him in the first round.  

    If you think he could play nose tackle for the Patriot's or any other 3/4 team you're absolutely delusional, if you want to take him as a 3/4 end fine, but there are other guys in this draft better suited for that job than he... IN MY OPINION.

    If you disagree that is your right but don't sit there and say I'm wrong because last I checked you're not god... you might think you are but that's neither here nor there.  But either way I find it insulting that you paint me as some wannabe expert when I do this every year in a tongue in cheek manner for fun.  

    I don't pretend to know anything, I try to be humble and listen to others opinions and respect them even if we don't agree, you should learn to disagree and articulate yourself without being insulting... I find it ironic on another thread you admonish Rusty/King for being so combative yet here you are acting like a complete tool.

     
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    You seem very threatened by my post, why don't you ignore it.

    Years from now when Floyd is all done and had a genuinely mediocre career we can revisit it.

     




    This and the post that followed it are what people caught with their pants down say when they give up trying to defend themselves when they are clearly proven wrong, and rather than just be a man and admit it, they instead just spin off in different directions and pretend to take the high road.... b/c there is no leg to stand on anymore when it comes to the original error that was made. The original boo-boo was no big deal, until someone couldn't admit to it, then it just became sad to watch the spin

     

     



    let it go rame.

     

     




    its just kinda pathetic to see an arrogant person puff out their chest and act like this board has been anticipating their opinions on the draft and need his 'guide', and entire thread started, just to know about the talent at DT this year, a subject discussed in depth for months.

     

    Meanwhile at the same time he completely swings and misses on Floyd, clearly thinking a few days ago that the guy can be in the discussions for our pick at 29, which he can't. Then the refusal to budge, admit to any errors and in instead childishly lecture others and spin away from the main issue just became shameful and let me know the type of person wozzy really is.

    Ok, I'll move on now, clearly he won't be a real man on the subject anyhow

     




    Opinions differ. No surprise. That is suppose to be why they are opinions (though unfortunately we do live in a world where facts are treater like opinion!!!!!!! how rediculous is that?). There will be differences here. ANd it is fine to debate them. It is fine to be blunt if you choose to be. But it is usually not OK to be rude. I can fall into that sometimes. In the heat of it I think I am reacting to either rudeness or absurdity - and maybe I am many times but I suspect/expect I over react sometimes.

     

    But there is way too much of it here. Chill. Make your point... challenge someone to defend their points or refute yours. But if any of us are going to fall into insults think a 2nd and 3rd time before doing it.

    Comments like "clearly he won't be a real man on the subject anyhow" and whatever comment may have antagonized to this point are just unnecessary. It is why many of us are reading fewer and fewer posts here.

    It would be nice if a specific post which was essentially a personal attack could be flagged that way so we could all just use the IGNORE for those posts! Now that would reduce the visible posts be a whole lot.

     



    +1

     
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    You seem very threatened by my post, why don't you ignore it.

    Years from now when Floyd is all done and had a genuinely mediocre career we can revisit it.

     




    This and the post that followed it are what people caught with their pants down say when they give up trying to defend themselves when they are clearly proven wrong, and rather than just be a man and admit it, they instead just spin off in different directions and pretend to take the high road.... b/c there is no leg to stand on anymore when it comes to the original error that was made. The original boo-boo was no big deal, until someone couldn't admit to it, then it just became sad to watch the spin

     

     



    let it go rame.

     

     




    its just kinda pathetic to see an arrogant person puff out their chest and act like this board has been anticipating their opinions on the draft and need his 'guide', and entire thread started, just to know about the talent at DT this year, a subject discussed in depth for months.

     

    Meanwhile at the same time he completely swings and misses on Floyd, clearly thinking a few days ago that the guy can be in the discussions for our pick at 29, which he can't. Then the refusal to budge, admit to any errors and in instead childishly lecture others and spin away from the main issue just became shameful and let me know the type of person wozzy really is.

    Ok, I'll move on now, clearly he won't be a real man on the subject anyhow



    "Ok, I'll move on now,

    THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN WISE

    clearly he won't be a real man on the subject anyhow"

     

    THAT WAS ANOTHER (UNNNECESSARY) WIPE.

     
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    BURY THE HATCHET BOTH OF YOU AND JUST BE CIVIL.

    FORGET THE PAST and move on.

     
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    So wozzy do you narrow the names down as you go along? I look at everyone's mock I as you would like a nose with our first pick. Heck even if we get phil Taylor I'd like another d tackle with pick 1. 

     
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    So wozzy do you narrow the names down as you go along? I look at everyone's mock I as you would like a nose with our first pick. Heck even if we get phil Taylor I'd like another d tackle with pick 1. 



    Yeah I would have done it already but I'm in the middle of moving, I'll try to post more position groups before the draft and maybe even a final Patriots mock.

     
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    thanks I enjoy your posts.

     
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    Any updates? I'd think if Sanders is signed it should change things up.

     
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    Any updates? I'd think if Sanders is signed it should change things up.




    Phil, I agree. I think they look BPA at each pick.  I really think they will try hard to move out of 29.  I see then going DE/DT, CB, WR.  Contracts for Love, Pryor, and Deadrick are up after the year. Same for Talib on a one year, they could go CB first.

    What if Wozzy is right on the 3/4 base, DT might still be in play with a draft that has a lot good DTs.

     

     
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    So wozzy do you narrow the names down as you go along? I look at everyone's mock I as you would like a nose with our first pick. Heck even if we get phil Taylor I'd like another d tackle with pick 1.

    Yeah I would have done it already but I'm in the middle of moving, I'll try to post more position groups before the draft and maybe even a final Patriots mock.

     



    By the time your moved, the fluidity of the Pats draft will be clearer anyway. By then, a Pick your final picks mock. Final picks with Little discussion would work for me. Then a tally. Fun stuff to see how close we come on some picks.

     

    On moving: Many years ago my Pop brought a Piano home and there were about 6-7 guys huffing and puffing halfway up the front porch. Many years later we upgraded and One guy came in with a 2 wheeler cart and tipped it over and just walked the Piano out the door into his truck backed up to the porch. That laugh never ends .... The thing is, the piano had some history as it was a Wedding gift from a Lord Wakefield to his daughter. The ancient swivel chair with the clawed feet with large round colored stone footprint was meant to keep, but the guy was'nt told that. Wish I had it today.

    Keep up your good work ...;-) Getting late, good night. Looking forward to your Pats final mock.

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Corner may not be a priority need for the Pats but BB loves him some defensive backs and Ras might be cut loose if he can't get through a full season healthy.  

    I have some of these guys projected as corners, free safeties, some as kick returners or special teams gunners.  I also will have a healthy list of undrafted free agents because like WR or RB I believe the talent runs deep.  

    I'll try to specify why I take the players I do, where, I don't specify where some of them will fall in the actual draft but I'm sure there will be some objections...

    1st round

    Desmond Trufant     CB       Washington               Sr        6-0      190

    Jamar Taylor              CB       Boise State               Sr        5-11    192

    Dwayne Gratz            CB       Connecticut              Sr        5-11    201

    Dee Milliner               CB       Alabama                    Jr         6-0      201

     

    2nd Round

    David Amerson          CB       North Carolina St.      Jr         6-1      205

    Will Davis                   CB       Utah State                Sr        5-11    186

    Xavier Rhodes           CB       Florida State              Jr         6-2      210 (Free safety?)

    Logan Ryan                CB       Rutgers                    Jr         5-11    191 

    D.J. Hayden                CB       Houston                   Sr        5-11    191 

    Darius Slay                 CB       Mississippi State        Sr        6-0      192

    Robert Alford             CB       SE Louisiana              Sr        5-10    188

     

    3rd-final Round

    Steve Williams           CB       California                   Jr         5-9      181

    Josh Johnson              CB       Purdue                      Sr        5-10    199

    Jordan Poyer             CB       Oregon State              Sr        6-0      191 

    Blidi Wreh-Wilson     CB       Connecticut                Sr        6-1      195

    B.W. Webb                 CB       William & Mary         Sr        5-10    184

    Brandon McGee         CB       Miami (Fla.)               Sr        5-11    193

    Kahlid Wooten          CB       Nevada                       Sr        5-11    210 (punt return)          

    Sanders Commings   CB       Georgia                       Sr        6-0      216

    Terry Hawthorne      CB       Illinois                         Sr        6-0      195

    Nickell Robey             CB       Southern California     Jr         5-7      169

    Adrian Bushell           CB       Louisville                    Sr        5-10    186           

    Johnny Adams           CB       Michigan State           Sr        5-10    185

    Marc Anthony            CB       California                   Sr        6-0      196

    Mike Edwards           CB       Hawaii                        Jr         5-9      189

    Marcus Cromartie     CB       Wisconsin                   Sr        6-0      195

    Rod Sweeting            CB       Georgia Tech              Sr        5-11    189

    George Baker             CB       South Florida             Sr        5-11    183      

    Devin Smith               CB       Wisconsin                   Sr        5-11    182      

    Rashaan Melvin         CB       Northern Illinois        Sr        6-2      192

     

    Undrafted Free agents  

    Jeremy Harris             CB        New Mexico State       Sr         6-3       181 (weak)           

    Branden Smith          CB       Georgia                       Sr        5-11    172 (weed smoke)          

    Kayvon Webster         CB       South Florida             Sr        5-11    195

    Travis Howard            CB       Ohio State                  Sr        6-1      200 (weak/safety?)

    A.J. Bouye                   CB       UCF                            Sr        6-0      186

    Mitchell White           CB       Michigan State           Sr        5-11    184

    Dustin Harris             CB       Texas A&M                 Sr        5-11    177 (punt return)     

    Chibuikem Okoro      CB       Wake Forest               Sr        6-0      195 (safety?)      

    Maurice Jones            CB       Temple                       Sr        5-10    195          

    Troy Stoudermire     CB       Minnesota                  Sr        5-10    199 (punk)

    Camerron Cheatham   CB       Cincinnati                   Sr        5-9      187         

    C.J. Wilson                  CB       North Carolina St.       Sr        5-11    193 (punk)           

    Brandon Jones           CB       Rutgers                       Sr        6-0      191   

    Andre Martin             CB       North Dakota State   Sr        5-10    193     

    Stephon Morris         CB       Penn State                 Sr        5-8      188

    Jumal Rolle                 CB       Catawba                     Sr        6-0      188

    Brian Watkins            CB       Oregon State              Sr        5-9      181 (ST's gunner)          

    Robert Steeples         CB       Memphis                    Sr        6-1      192

    Chance Casey            CB       Baylor                       Sr         5-11    189

     

     
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    Good breakout, I think NE will go CB.  I hoping second rd.

     
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    good work .......

    I'll need to get some views on Dwayne Gratz, CB   Connecticut  in your 1st round.

    Blidi Wreh-Wilson, CB   Connecticut, has been getting alot of print recently from scouts.

    Tough to say now with recent moves but I'm wishing that the Pats will double up on DBs, the best CB and SS available, hopefully impact players, now. It will be interesting to see your top SS picks.

    '-)

     
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    Any updates? I'd think if Sanders is signed it should change things up.

     




    Phil, I agree. I think they look BPA at each pick.  I really think they will try hard to move out of 29.  I see then going DE/DT, CB, WR.  Contracts for Love, Pryor, and Deadrick are up after the year. Same for Talib on a one year, they could go CB first.

     

    What if Wozzy is right on the 3/4 base, DT might still be in play with a draft that has a lot good DTs.

     



    i have de, wr, cb or

    de cb, wr or

    de wr, wr

     
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