Wozzy's Draft Guide 2013

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    Corner may not be a priority need for the Pats but BB loves him some defensive backs and Ras might be cut loose if he can't get through a full season healthy.  

    I have some of these guys projected as corners, free safeties, some as kick returners or special teams gunners.  I also will have a healthy list of undrafted free agents because like WR or RB I believe the talent runs deep.  

    I'll try to specify why I take the players I do, where, I don't specify where some of them will fall in the actual draft but I'm sure there will be some objections...

    1st round

    Desmond Trufant     CB       Washington               Sr        6-0      190

    Jamar Taylor              CB       Boise State               Sr        5-11    192

    Dwayne Gratz            CB       Connecticut              Sr        5-11    201

    Dee Milliner               CB       Alabama                    Jr         6-0      201

     

    2nd Round

    David Amerson          CB       North Carolina St.      Jr         6-1      205

    Will Davis                   CB       Utah State                Sr        5-11    186

    Xavier Rhodes           CB       Florida State              Jr         6-2      210 (Free safety?)

    Logan Ryan                CB       Rutgers                    Jr         5-11    191 

    D.J. Hayden                CB       Houston                   Sr        5-11    191 

    Darius Slay                 CB       Mississippi State        Sr        6-0      192

    Robert Alford             CB       SE Louisiana              Sr        5-10    188

     

    3rd-final Round

    Steve Williams           CB       California                   Jr         5-9      181

    Josh Johnson              CB       Purdue                      Sr        5-10    199

    Jordan Poyer             CB       Oregon State              Sr        6-0      191 

    Blidi Wreh-Wilson     CB       Connecticut                Sr        6-1      195

    B.W. Webb                 CB       William & Mary         Sr        5-10    184

    Brandon McGee         CB       Miami (Fla.)               Sr        5-11    193

    Kahlid Wooten          CB       Nevada                       Sr        5-11    210 (punt return)          

    Sanders Commings   CB       Georgia                       Sr        6-0      216

    Terry Hawthorne      CB       Illinois                         Sr        6-0      195

    Nickell Robey             CB       Southern California     Jr         5-7      169

    Adrian Bushell           CB       Louisville                    Sr        5-10    186           

    Johnny Adams           CB       Michigan State           Sr        5-10    185

    Marc Anthony            CB       California                   Sr        6-0      196

    Mike Edwards           CB       Hawaii                        Jr         5-9      189

    Marcus Cromartie     CB       Wisconsin                   Sr        6-0      195

    Rod Sweeting            CB       Georgia Tech              Sr        5-11    189

    George Baker             CB       South Florida             Sr        5-11    183      

    Devin Smith               CB       Wisconsin                   Sr        5-11    182      

    Rashaan Melvin         CB       Northern Illinois        Sr        6-2      192

     

    Undrafted Free agents  

    Jeremy Harris             CB        New Mexico State       Sr         6-3       181 (weak)           

    Branden Smith          CB       Georgia                       Sr        5-11    172 (weed smoke)          

    Kayvon Webster         CB       South Florida             Sr        5-11    195

    Travis Howard            CB       Ohio State                  Sr        6-1      200 (weak/safety?)

    A.J. Bouye                   CB       UCF                            Sr        6-0      186

    Mitchell White           CB       Michigan State           Sr        5-11    184

    Dustin Harris             CB       Texas A&M                 Sr        5-11    177 (punt return)     

    Chibuikem Okoro      CB       Wake Forest               Sr        6-0      195 (safety?)      

    Maurice Jones            CB       Temple                       Sr        5-10    195          

    Troy Stoudermire     CB       Minnesota                  Sr        5-10    199 (punk)

    Camerron Cheatham   CB       Cincinnati                   Sr        5-9      187         

    C.J. Wilson                  CB       North Carolina St.       Sr        5-11    193 (punk)           

    Brandon Jones           CB       Rutgers                       Sr        6-0      191   

    Andre Martin             CB       North Dakota State   Sr        5-10    193     

    Stephon Morris         CB       Penn State                 Sr        5-8      188

    Jumal Rolle                 CB       Catawba                     Sr        6-0      188

    Brian Watkins            CB       Oregon State              Sr        5-9      181 (ST's gunner)          

    Robert Steeples         CB       Memphis                    Sr        6-1      192

    Chance Casey            CB       Baylor                       Sr         5-11    189

     



    rhodes is projected to be gone before 15. you have him in the 2nd rd?

     
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    rhodes is projected to be gone before 15. you have him in the 2nd rd?

     



    I think if your aim in the first round is to get a starting cornerback than the guys above him are better picks.  The guy is supremely fast and has great vert but isn't overly agile, I think he projects better as a free safety.  Then again in today's NFL with oversized corners and fast undersized safeties I could be wrong.  

     

     
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    rhodes is projected to be gone before 15. you have him in the 2nd rd?

     



    I think if your aim in the first round is to get a starting cornerback than the guys above him are better picks.  The guy is supremely fast and has great vert but isn't overly agile, I think he projects better as a free safety.  Then again in today's NFL with oversized corners and fast undersized safeties I could be wrong.  

     



    just wondering if you were speaking of projection or where he "should" be taken.

    yes big corners i think will have highest value moving forward.

    who wouldnt love to have seattle' s cb's and defense for that matter.

     
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    Wozzy what DT's would you trade up or and how far would you go?

     
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    just wondering if you were speaking of projection or where he "should" be taken.

    yes big corners i think will have highest value moving forward.

    who wouldnt love to have seattle' s cb's and defense for that matter.



    Everything on my list is in relation to the Patriot's, we are very well off at free safety now (strange as that sounds) and I wouldn't take him to be my starting corner over the guys on my list.

    Obviously he won't be there in the second round with the emphasis on large corners and his pedigree but if he was you would have to overlook "need" and take him as the best player available.  In short I think he's a good player just not in regards the Pats.  Also some of the guys on my list might be had in the 2nd round so why reach in the hopes this kid is a monster DB when you could get value in the 2nd or 3rd.

     
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    Wozzy what DT's would you trade up or and how far would you go?



    I probably wouldn't, there's enough depth where at least one of the four in my first round are going to drop to us when we pick, plus other teams place value on DT's that can get after the QB and are built for the 4/3 so they'll be taken earlier.  That's not to say if BB sees the player he wants he might not trade up a few picks to get him but I don't think it will be necessary.  

    He might have bought himself some time with the Tommy Kelly signing so the "need" might not be as dire even though Love and Deaderick have contract years coming up and I still want them to go DT.

     
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    just wondering if you were speaking of projection or where he "should" be taken.

    yes big corners i think will have highest value moving forward.

    who wouldnt love to have seattle' s cb's and defense for that matter.

     



    Everything on my list is in relation to the Patriot's, we are very well off at free safety now (strange as that sounds) and I wouldn't take him to be my starting corner over the guys on my list.

     

    Obviously he won't be there in the second round with the emphasis on large corners and his pedigree but if he was you would have to overlook "need" and take him as the best player available.  In short I think he's a good player just not in regards the Pats.  Also some of the guys on my list might be had in the 2nd round so why reach in the hopes this kid is a monster DB when you could get value in the 2nd or 3rd.



    i agree and see your analysis jsut wondered why you placed him so late in the draft

     
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    So I've lumped all my outside linebackers/defensive ends into a single category because in our system they're essentially the same position.  People might question the likelihood of BB taking one but I would remind you that Cunningham, Trevor Scott and others have tenuous positions with no long term deals in place and add there is an increased emphasize on getting to the QB, you can never have enough talent here and it would allow us to slide Ninck back to more of a linebacker position.  Just like all other positions by the day before the draft I will pare this list down.  I hope to have my entire draft board to 25 players that the Pat's will select.

     

    OLB/DE

    Ezekiel Ansah               DE       Brigham Young        Sr        6-5      271

    Jamie Collins              OLB     Southern Miss            Sr        6-4      250

    Barkevious Mingo       OLB     LSU                            Jr         6-4      241

    Dion Jordan               OLB     Oregon                       Sr        6-6      248

    Datone Jones             DE       UCLA                          Sr        6-4      283

    Bjoern Werner           DE       Florida State               Jr         6-3      266

    Margus Hunt               DE       Southern Methodist   Sr        6-8      277

    Cornellius Carradine     DE       Florida State              Sr        6-4      276

    Damontre Moore         DE       Texas A&M                 Jr         6-5      250

    Sam Montgomery       DE       LSU                             Jr         6-3      262

    Alex Okafor                 DE       Texas                          Sr        6-5      264

    Devin Taylor               DE       South Carolina            Sr        6-7      266

    Alec Ogletree             OLB     Georgia                       Jr         6-3      242

    Corey Lemonier          OLB     Auburn                       Jr         6-4      255

    Cornelius Wash.         DE       Georgia                       Sr        6-4      265

    Chase Thomas           OLB     Stanford                     Sr        6-3      244

    DeVonte Holloman    OLB     South Carolina            Sr        6-2      243

    Ty Powell                   OLB     Harding                      Sr        6-2      249

    John Simon                DE       Ohio State                  Sr        6-2      257

    Lavar Edwards          DE       LSU                             Sr        6-4      277

    Michael Buchanan    DE       Illinois                         Sr        6-6      255

    David Bass                 DE       Missouri Western St.  Sr        6-4      262

    Travis Johnson          OLB     San Jose State             Sr        6-2      240

    Nathan Williams        OLB     Ohio State                  Sr        6-3      241

    Joe Kruger                 DE       Utah                          Jr         6-6      269

     

    There are a bunch of guys who are played or are projected as outside linebackers like Sio Moore, Jon Bostic, Trevardo Williams, Zaviar Gooden, Brandon Magee, Eric Martin and John Lotulelei who I think are good players but just aren't big enough to man the edge at the next level, it doesn't mean they couldn't slide inside or find work as a situational pass rusher.

     

     

     

     

     
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    Wozzy before you were talking about how you dont think Sharrif Floyd isnt that good, well i saw this today that backs you up.

    Two separate NFL scouts say Florida DT Sharrif Floyd is overrated, with one going so far as to call Floyd a media creation.

    It's worth noting Floyd had only 4.5 sacks in three college seasons. He's been touted hard by Greg Cosell, Mike Mayock, and Daniel Jeremiah, among others. "Those idiots on TV made Floyd," said one scout. "He's not that good. He's not better than Ziggy Hood." Asked if the Warren Sapp comparisons are valid, another scout replied "No. There's none of that. (Sapp) was just was more gifted than Floyd. Floyd is a good effort player. He's got shorter arms than (Sheldon) Richardson, and I think it shows. He gets kind of Velcroed on blockers." Apr 22 - 1:21 AM

     



    Thanks, that's exactly my point.  He has run stuffer type college numbers but doesn't have run stuffer size.  Has short arms and is strictly a motor guy, it's apropos that everybody has him going to Oakland as Al Davis used to worship at the hype alter.

    Warren Sapp comparisons are the biggest joke of all, Sapp was 320 pounds at the lightest, Shariff can barely make weight at 300.

     

     

     
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    Thanks, that's exactly my point.  He has run stuffer type college numbers but doesn't have run stuffer size.  Has short arms and is strictly a motor guy, it's apropos that everybody has him going to Oakland as Al Davis used to worship at the hype alter.

    Warren Sapp comparisons are the biggest joke of all, Sapp was 320 pounds at the lightest, Shariff can barely make weight at 300.



    Frankly if the Raiders don't take him I could see him falling out of the top 10 (barring a tradeup) simply because of the fit for the teams picking there (let alone any concerns about his actual ability).

     
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    OK so draft day is tomorrow, it's time I post my final picks.  I can't subscribe to the notion you have to choose one player because what happens leading up to the Pats pick at 29 will determine where they go with the pick, also there may be deals in place with players like John Abraham where the player the Pats were eyeing in the 2nd round being gone dictates they won't pick an OLB in that spot after all.  That being said I've given two players from the four position groups I believe the Pats will focus on.  I also picked assuming the players I think are the best will be gone, therefore Star Louie and John Hankins are not my picks at DT because they will be gone... if not assume they'll get snapped up. I gave two players from each position group per round, per picks...

    1st (29) 

    Johnathan Jenkins    DT         Georgia                         6-3⅝  346

    Sylvester Williams     DT         North Carolina               6-2⅝  313

    Desmond Trufant      CB       Washington                     6-0      190

    Jamar Taylor             CB       Boise State                      5-11    192

    Markus Wheaton       WR      Oregon State                   5-11    189

    Justin Hunter           WR      Tennessee                       6-4      196

    Jamie Collins             OLB     Southern Miss                 6-4      250

    Barkevious Mingo      OLB     LSU                                6-4      241

     

    2nd (59)

    Jesse Williams             DT       Alabama                        6-3⅜  323

    TJ Barnes                    DT       Georgia Tech                 6-6¼   369            

    Dwayne Gratz            CB       Connecticut                    5-11    201

    Will Davis                   CB       Utah State                     5-11    186

    DeAndre Hopkins        WR      Clemson                           6-1      214

    Stedman Bailey          WR      West Virginia                   5-10    193

    Dion Jordan                OLB     Oregon                            6-6      248

    Datone Jones              DE       UCLA                              6-4      283

     

    3rd (91)

    Montori Hughes          DT        Tennessee-Martin            6-4     329

    Kwame Geathers        DT        Georgia                           6-5⅜  342                     

    David Amerson          CB       North Carolina State           6-1      205

    Logan Ryan               CB       Rutgers                              5-11    191

    Ryan Swope               WR      Texas A&M                         6-0      205

    Josh Boyce                  WR      TCU                                   5-11    206

    Sio Moore                   OLB     Connecticut                        6-1      245

    Margus Hunt             DE       Southern Methodist              6-8      277

     

    7th (226-235)

    Nicholas Williams      DT       Samford                                 6-4½  309

    Brandon Williams      DT       Missouri South St                   6-1¼   335

    Josh Boyd                 DT       Mississippi State                     6-2⅝  310

    Jared Smith              DT       New Hampshire                      6-3⅜  302

    Robert Alford             CB       SE Louisiana                          5-10    188

    Steve Williams           CB       California                               5-9      181

    B.W. Webb                 CB       William & Mary                     5-10    184

    Steve Williams           CB       California                               5-9      181 

    Da'Rick Rogers           WR      Tenn. Tech                             6-3      217

    T.J. Moe                     WR      Missouri                                 6-0      204    

    Ryan Spadola             WR      Lehigh                                   6-1      204

    Rodney Smith            WR      Florida State                          6-5      225

    Devin Taylor              DE       South Carolina                       6-7      266

    Corey Lemonier         OLB     Auburn                                   6-4      255

    Cornelius Wash.        DE       Georgia                                   6-4      265

    Trevardo Williams    OLB     Connecticut                               6-1      241

     
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    I still think there is a chance BB trades down, but we'll see. Is there a DE/OLB you like in this draft wozzy?

     

     
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    I still think there is a chance BB trades down, but we'll see. Is there a DE/OLB you like in this draft wozzy? 



    If he traded up and got Ziggy Ansah I would barf with excitement, he is the best athlete at that position I've seen in a while.  But the guys I have pegged as OLB above are pretty good.  I like my original lists from early in this thread but I can't have them all.

     
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    I still think there is a chance BB trades down, but we'll see. Is there a DE/OLB you like in this draft wozzy? 

     



    If he traded up and got Ziggy Ansah I would barf with excitement, he is the best athlete at that position I've seen in a while.  But the guys I have pegged as OLB above are pretty good.  I like my original lists from early in this thread but I can't have them all.

     



    i had the same opinon on anash in the beginning when he was a raw 2nd rd projection.

    was who i was banging the tabel for till he became a top 5 projection

     
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    It doesn't matter what you say about Floyd based on what you read... what matters is that scouts and those paid to actively rank players and make draft boards have Floyd going in the 4-8 range.

    He won't escape past pick 12-14, so putting him in the Patriots conversation or as a 2nd rd talent is absurd.

    It was like all those people who wanted JJ Watt 2 years ago... that's nice that you like him... but he's not getting past pick 12-14 so why bother talking about him?



    Umm... I initially said I wouldn't gloat until Floyd fell completely out of the 1st round but I'm going to take the long slow approach and really enjoy it.

     
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    If you think floyd is going to escape the teens.... you will 99.9999% be wrong.

    With the 23rd pick the hapless Vikings take Floyd...

     
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    So I've lumped all my outside linebackers/defensive ends into a single category because in our system they're essentially the same position.  People might question the likelihood of BB taking one but I would remind you that Cunningham, Trevor Scott and others have tenuous positions with no long term deals in place and add there is an increased emphasize on getting to the QB, you can never have enough talent here and it would allow us to slide Ninck back to more of a linebacker position.  Just like all other positions by the day before the draft I will pare this list down.  I hope to have my entire draft board to 25 players that the Pat's will select.

     

    OLB/DE

    Ezekiel Ansah               DE       Brigham Young        Sr        6-5      271

    Jamie Collins              OLB     Southern Miss            Sr        6-4      250

    Barkevious Mingo       OLB     LSU                            Jr         6-4      241

    Dion Jordan               OLB     Oregon                       Sr        6-6      248

    Datone Jones             DE       UCLA                          Sr        6-4      283

    Bjoern Werner           DE       Florida State               Jr         6-3      266

    Margus Hunt               DE       Southern Methodist   Sr        6-8      277

    Cornellius Carradine     DE       Florida State              Sr        6-4      276

    Damontre Moore         DE       Texas A&M                 Jr         6-5      250

    Sam Montgomery       DE       LSU                             Jr         6-3      262

    Alex Okafor                 DE       Texas                          Sr        6-5      264

    Devin Taylor               DE       South Carolina            Sr        6-7      266

    Alec Ogletree             OLB     Georgia                       Jr         6-3      242

    Corey Lemonier          OLB     Auburn                       Jr         6-4      255

    Cornelius Wash.         DE       Georgia                       Sr        6-4      265

    Chase Thomas           OLB     Stanford                     Sr        6-3      244

    DeVonte Holloman    OLB     South Carolina            Sr        6-2      243

    Ty Powell                   OLB     Harding                      Sr        6-2      249

    John Simon                DE       Ohio State                  Sr        6-2      257

    Lavar Edwards          DE       LSU                             Sr        6-4      277

    Michael Buchanan    DE       Illinois                         Sr        6-6      255

    David Bass                 DE       Missouri Western St.  Sr        6-4      262

    Travis Johnson          OLB     San Jose State             Sr        6-2      240

    Nathan Williams        OLB     Ohio State                  Sr        6-3      241

    Joe Kruger                 DE       Utah                          Jr         6-6      269

     

    There are a bunch of guys who are played or are projected as outside linebackers like Sio Moore, Jon Bostic, Trevardo Williams, Zaviar Gooden, Brandon Magee, Eric Martin and John Lotulelei who I think are good players but just aren't big enough to man the edge at the next level, it doesn't mean they couldn't slide inside or find work as a situational pass rusher. 



    Jamie Collins was my second rated OLB/DE in the entire draft, mad athletic and productive there is no way this isn't a good pick.

     
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    So I've lumped all my outside linebackers/defensive ends into a single category because in our system they're essentially the same position.  People might question the likelihood of BB taking one but I would remind you that Cunningham, Trevor Scott and others have tenuous positions with no long term deals in place and add there is an increased emphasize on getting to the QB, you can never have enough talent here and it would allow us to slide Ninck back to more of a linebacker position.  Just like all other positions by the day before the draft I will pare this list down.  I hope to have my entire draft board to 25 players that the Pat's will select.

     

    OLB/DE

    Ezekiel Ansah               DE       Brigham Young        Sr        6-5      271

    Jamie Collins              OLB     Southern Miss            Sr        6-4      250

    Barkevious Mingo       OLB     LSU                            Jr         6-4      241

    Dion Jordan               OLB     Oregon                       Sr        6-6      248

    Datone Jones             DE       UCLA                          Sr        6-4      283

    Bjoern Werner           DE       Florida State               Jr         6-3      266

    Margus Hunt               DE       Southern Methodist   Sr        6-8      277

    Cornellius Carradine     DE       Florida State              Sr        6-4      276

    Damontre Moore         DE       Texas A&M                 Jr         6-5      250

    Sam Montgomery       DE       LSU                             Jr         6-3      262

    Alex Okafor                 DE       Texas                          Sr        6-5      264

    Devin Taylor               DE       South Carolina            Sr        6-7      266

    Alec Ogletree             OLB     Georgia                       Jr         6-3      242

    Corey Lemonier          OLB     Auburn                       Jr         6-4      255

    Cornelius Wash.         DE       Georgia                       Sr        6-4      265

    Chase Thomas           OLB     Stanford                     Sr        6-3      244

    DeVonte Holloman    OLB     South Carolina            Sr        6-2      243

    Ty Powell                   OLB     Harding                      Sr        6-2      249

    John Simon                DE       Ohio State                  Sr        6-2      257

    Lavar Edwards          DE       LSU                             Sr        6-4      277

    Michael Buchanan    DE       Illinois                         Sr        6-6      255

    David Bass                 DE       Missouri Western St.  Sr        6-4      262

    Travis Johnson          OLB     San Jose State             Sr        6-2      240

    Nathan Williams        OLB     Ohio State                  Sr        6-3      241

    Joe Kruger                 DE       Utah                          Jr         6-6      269

     

    There are a bunch of guys who are played or are projected as outside linebackers like Sio Moore, Jon Bostic, Trevardo Williams, Zaviar Gooden, Brandon Magee, Eric Martin and John Lotulelei who I think are good players but just aren't big enough to man the edge at the next level, it doesn't mean they couldn't slide inside or find work as a situational pass rusher. 

     



    Jamie Collins was my second rated OLB/DE in the entire draft, mad athletic and productive there is no way this isn't a good pick.

     



    How is he in coverage? From what i've read, he seems to have decent coverage ability, which is definitely a plus.

     
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    How is he in coverage? From what i've read, he seems to have decent coverage ability, which is definitely a plus.

     



    The thing that stuck out to me about him first and foremost was production.  Not only was he ranked high in sacks and tackles for loss (ranked very high on both) but the most impressive thing was he also was ranked high in solo tackles which tell us he makes plays out in space and is more than just a sack machine.  

     

    Another indicator of this was his superb shuttle and cone times at the combine, when you add that to decent forty time (4.59) for a big man, the best vertical leap of all linebackers and defensive linemen (insane 41.5, an inch away from the all time record and a sign of pure explosiveness) as well as actually setting the all time record for the combine in the broad jump at 11'7"

    The guy was the best player available.  Hopefully with his addition to Chandler Jones and Kelly in the middle we can create enough pressure where our coverage won't have to hold for days on end like it has for the past three seasons or more...

     
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    Jamie Collins was my second rated OLB/DE in the entire draft, mad athletic and productive there is no way this isn't a good pick.

     



    Good job Wozzy.  I don't watch enough college ball to really judge these guys, but from the beginning I liked the idea of picking a versatile edge guy who can rush, defend the run, and drop into coverage.  I think this gives the Pats something they've been lacking.  Nink is the closest, but he doesn't have the explosiveness you'd ideally like.  Jones is explosive, but I'm not sure he's as versatile.  He did show against the run last year (more than I expected actually), but I haven't seen anything that convinces me he's much dropping back into coverage.  If Collins has that versatility on the edge combined with some explosiveness, he's going to help this defense a lot.  

    I also like the idea of Dobson . . . again, can't say I've watched him at all, but from what I read he fits the bill.  The two Rutgers guys are for depth and special teams.  We'll see how they turn out.  

    Today, I'd like to see them get an interior D lineman, one more receiver, and maybe a developmental O linemen.  At this point in the draft, I don't expect anyone to be a day one starter, but you've got the opportunity to find a diamond in the rough or at least build some depth.

    I think it's too early to get too excited about any of these guys--they all have to prove themselves--but I also see no reason to be disappointed with what the Pats did.  They addressed needs at receiver, on the edge, and in the defensive backfield.  LIke everyone else, I would have loved to have seen them get someone I feel would be a certain and immediate impact player, but given this particular draft class (low on obvious impact players) and the Pats limited picks going in to the draft, you've got to like what they did. 

     

     

     
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    The only player I didn't project on my final day of picks so far was Aaron Dobson but I did have him up on my big board of receivers as the 5th best "big" guy thanks to Bredbru and others asking me to investigate further, initially I didn't have him ranked because he didn't work out at the combine but after pulling up his Pro Day numbers from Marshall he was pretty impressive.  

    He is 6'3" tall, weighs 210 pounds so for the people who wanted a tall receiver there you go, his 4.37 forty would have placed him as the 3rd fastest receiver in the entire draft and tied as the 6th overall fastest guy in the entire draft, you can't teach big and fast.  His agility drills weren't amazing but they weren't bad either, for an outside threat WR he doesn't have to be nimble like a cat he just has to be fast, physical, have soft hands and jump high (35" vert) all of which he seems to do.  I'll have to trust that BB has given him some brain teasers and hope he can pick this system up, that is his biggest challenge.

    Logan Ryan was a standout for a few reasons, not the least of which his 4th place ranking in agility drills at the combine, very important for corners. Also he has decent size, ok strength but most important was his production.  The guy led the entire nation in pass breakups and even picked off 4 INT's.  All the corners I had projected higher were gone so this was a good pick in that spot.  Will Davis was available but Logan is slightly bigger which may have been the overriding trait that BB liked as well as maybe seeing more of this kid than Davis who was all the way out in Utah.  Davis was taken by the Dolphins who have had a very impressive draft so far.

    As far as Duron Harmon goes, I didn't review or rank any safeties so I'll have to trust Belichick on this one.  His forty time was decent (4.5) which would have placed him as the 4th best time amongst safeties, his 36" vert would have placed him just outside of the top ten, he was weak only pressing 15 reps on the bench and while his three cone drill was only ok his 20 yard shuttle times were horrid.  This guy had better have a heart as big as a whale, otherwise I think BB may have fallen in love with a piece of film or something he saw at the Rutgers Pro Day when he was scouting Logan Ryan?

     
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    Good job Wozzy.  I don't watch enough college ball to really judge these guys, but from the beginning I liked the idea of picking a versatile edge guy who can rush, defend the run, and drop into coverage.  I think this gives the Pats something they've been lacking.  Nink is the closest, but he doesn't have the explosiveness you'd ideally like.  Jones is explosive, but I'm not sure he's as versatile.  He did show against the run last year (more than I expected actually), but I haven't seen anything that convinces me he's much dropping back into coverage.  If Collins has that versatility on the edge combined with some explosiveness, he's going to help this defense a lot.  

    I also like the idea of Dobson . . . again, can't say I've watched him at all, but from what I read he fits the bill.  The two Rutgers guys are for depth and special teams.  We'll see how they turn out.  

    Today, I'd like to see them get an interior D lineman, one more receiver, and maybe a developmental O linemen.  At this point in the draft, I don't expect anyone to be a day one starter, but you've got the opportunity to find a diamond in the rough or at least build some depth.

    I think it's too early to get too excited about any of these guys--they all have to prove themselves--but I also see no reason to be disappointed with what the Pats did.  They addressed needs at receiver, on the edge, and in the defensive backfield.  LIke everyone else, I would have loved to have seen them get someone I feel would be a certain and immediate impact player, but given this particular draft class (low on obvious impact players) and the Pats limited picks going in to the draft, you've got to like what they did. 



    Well, I'm with you there, truthfully I don't watch any college football unless it's the championship game and even then it's not a given.  I make all of my assessments off college stats, combine measurables and Pro Day measurables.  While I don't think there are ever any guarantees I do think there is certain criteria needed to play pro football at the highest level and all the hoping in the world won't change a physical deficiency.  With the exception of where Harmon was picked I can't say there's much to complain about, if this kid plays with heart and grit than where he was projected to be picked will be moot.  You can't measure heart...

     

     
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    Well, I'm with you there, truthfully I don't watch any college football unless it's the championship game and even then it's not a given.  I make all of my assessments off college stats, combine measurables and Pro Day measurables.  While I don't think there are ever any guarantees I do think there is certain criteria needed to play pro football at the highest level and all the hoping in the world won't change a physical deficiency.  With the exception of where Harmon was picked I can't say there's much to complain about, if this kid plays with heart and grit than where he was projected to be picked will be moot.  You can't measure heart...

     

     



    One thing I noticed in BB's press conference is that he talked about how well Ryan and Harmon communicated with each other when they played at Rutgers.  I know he's been frustrated with secondary players like Merriweather and (I believe) Chung who just weren't good at the mental part of the game.  I know he loves McCourty exactly because he is a smart player who communicates well.  A. Wilson is the same and so is Arrington.  I think he's drafting brains as much as anything . . .

     

     
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    do you think Collins can get pressure on the QB if he plays OLB?

     
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    do you think Collins can get pressure on the QB if he plays OLB?



    Maybe, but I also think the ability to drop back into coverage adds a dimension our edge players haven't had recently.  We've been playing a 4-3, where our ends (Nink and Jones) pretty much head upfield on every passing play and the two outside LBs, Mayo and Hightower, are not super coverage LBs.  So if Collins can come in an add a coverage skill on the edge and also pass rush, we get a level of versatility we didn't have before.  I really like this.  

    Just have to hope the kid lives up to the potential that seems to be there. 

     
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