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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/24/2010 2:38 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!:
    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now! : You seem to be comparing these receivers as they "were" not as they "are". Marshall was better than Moss last year. Devon Bess was better than Holt last year..it's a fact. Holt is way past his prime and Moss looks like he's not far behind. He wants a new deal but isn't playing like one. Miami has the youngest offense in the nfl. Missing Welker for half the season is bad news for New England. If he was healthy I would go would Ne...but he's not. It's almost sad you compare these players in their prime which is over for Moss and Holt. Those days are long gone.
    Posted by perfect72


    Uh. no he wasn't.....check the stats...

    And Who did Holt have throwing to him, certainly it wasn't any pro-bowl caliber QB.....

    If Holt is way past his prime by getting over 700 yds with no other offensive weapons and a POS QB, then you are in for a BIG surprise watching Brady throw to him.......
      If Moss is on his way to being past his prime and still pulling in 13 TD's and 1,200+ yds...than I am happy for him....it is still better than What Marshall is going to do.

    Youngest = least experienced.....not exactly a good thing.....

    You obviously know nothing about football...LOL!
    try looking at the stats and keeping up with the rest of us.....
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/24/2010 3:55 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!:
    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now! : Uh. no he wasn't.....check the stats... And Who did Holt have throwing to him, certainly it wasn't any pro-bowl caliber QB..... If Holt is way past his prime by getting over 700 yds with no other offensive weapons and a POS QB, then you are in for a BIG surprise watching Brady throw to him.......   If Moss is on his way to being past his prime and still pulling in 13 TD's and 1,200+ yds...than I am happy for him....it is still better than What Marshall is going to do. Youngest = least experienced.....not exactly a good thing..... You obviously know nothing about football...LOL! try looking at the stats and keeping up with the rest of


    us.....

    Ummmm no. I guess  "know nothing about football" is more realistic than "dreaming" about my favorite team and your complete, unrealistic, even laughable
     prognostics concerning the pats over the hill receiving corps just makes you look that much more ridiculous. You're an SNL skit. Why don't you just replace "Da Bears" with "Da Patriots"? I guess you just don't realize how dumb your comments are.  
    Posted by m1021us


    And it's not US it's just you...at least the other Pats fans are somewhat objective.
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/24/2010 4:15 PM EDT

    Edwards routinely drops balls at key points in the game, Holmes is a good #2, but will miss the first four games. And there is always the minor observation that Brady is much better than Sanchez, Henne, or any other QB in the division. I think it;s getting closer, but the Pats (if healthy) have best WR corps in the division, however, the Jets could easily have the best secondary: Revis is Revis and Cromartie will have to stop conceiving children every hour of the day and try to return to his pro-bowl self. ALso believe that Henandez is an option if the Pats run the spread and Gronk could be a quality pass catcher, whilst Crumpler provides pass protection and run blocking skills. I'm not really concerned about the O aside from the playcalling. I like our run D with Mayo and Spikes, but the pass rush is still lacking unless one of the DL players we acquired turns out to be Seymour revisited.......and I am not holding my breath on that one......might add that the D needs to play better situational football than last year.

     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/24/2010 5:03 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!:
    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now! : And it's not US it's just you...at least the other Pats fans are somewhat objective.
    Posted by perfect72


    LOL!  Open your eyes and learn something about the game before you post....That is all I am asking.

    Only an idiot would think that Marshall is a better WR with Henne throwing to him than Moss with Brady throwing to him, RIGHT NOW.

    Where do these unknowledgeable trolls come from?
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/24/2010 5:39 PM EDT

    As the old truism goes, "defense is nice but WRs win championships".
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 12:46 AM EDT

    There are no knowledgeable trolls! There are several biased slants towards everyone's teams,I take the Patriots cause up because I really believe that they have the top receiving team this side of Indianapolis. The QB isn't even a question as to is the top QB in the AFC,but to hear the fans of the Jests and fish tell Sanchez and Henne are all that and a bag of peanuts. You know I must of missed the Super bowl victories for these two teams? When were those games played? The last time anyone saw the fish in a SB was 1972! The Jests last visit was what 1969.I'll stick with Brady and his two HOF WR against either of the young lads and their no HOF receivers.By the way Fish fan Bess caught 76 passes for 758 yards,Holt caught 51 passes for 778 yards,so though Bess caught more dink passes Holt did more with less catches! Also who was the last Jaguar who caught 75 balls and a thousand yards as a #2 receiver heck make it a #1 receiver! Because to knowledge there has never been one!! You've gotta have a passing QB for those kind of stats.Here's another tid bit for you Holt only played in 12 games...
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 1:16 AM EDT

    Marshall is a great WR , but even a past his prime Moss is better at this point in his career. Its not really a debate either. Moss played almost an entire year w/a seperated shoulder and bad back and posted 1265/13 TDs. And he still gets doubled as much as any WR in the game today. BYW 1260/13 TD is what Moss averages for his career year to year , he averages more yards and TDs than Rice. Fitz is probably considered the best WR in todays game , to match 81's stats after 7 years he would need 2000 yards and 30 TDs LOL. Thats how great Randy is! Believe me Im an objective sports fan and will admit Randy has been favorite football player since I saw him tear up Ball St. for 5 TDs in college. I have no problem admitting hes on the downside of his career , but Marshall is not better. Definately on par , but not better.
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 8:12 AM EDT

    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!:
    Marshall is a great WR , but even a past his prime Moss is better at this point in his career. Its not really a debate either. Moss played almost an entire year w/a seperated shoulder and bad back and posted 1265/13 TDs. And he still gets doubled as much as any WR in the game today. BYW 1260/13 TD is what Moss averages for his career year to year , he averages more yards and TDs than Rice. Fitz is probably considered the best WR in todays game , to match 81's stats after 7 years he would need 2000 yards and 30 TDs LOL. Thats how great Randy is! Believe me Im an objective sports fan and will admit Randy has been favorite football player since I saw him tear up Ball St. for 5 TDs in college. I have no problem admitting hes on the downside of his career , but Marshall is not better. Definately on par , but not better.
    Posted by ONE-TIME



    OMG, you didn't just say that!  Watch out for those Miami TROLLS.....LOL!
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 12:13 PM EDT

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    Brandon marshall is a possession receiver!!! he's a bigger wes welker... yes he has caught a 100 balls the past 3 years but moss has caught 47 Tds compared to 23 by marshall 23 Tds in 3 years.... moss caught that much in one season with a healthy brady... you can argue that in the past 3 years moss has had a better Qb than marshall only once(2007) when marshall was playing with cutler moss had cassell when he was playing with orton moss had an indecisive and innacurate brady coming off a devastating injury and left alot of TDs on the field.... even at an "advanced" age moss is still king amongst WRs.... 47 TDs in 3 years!!!! the only person close is Larry fitzgerald with 35 that's a 12 TD difference!!!
    Posted by 81pats12

    yeah and? BM had cutler and orton throwing to him...not tom brady and not in an ALL passing offense ALL the time

    you dont think if moss played in a more pro-style offense rather than the pats spread formations that he would be putting up those numbers? his numbers are inflated and wont last because he A. doesnt care about football very much and B. has no intention of returning to the pats after this year and i dont think they have any intention of bringing him back beyond this year

     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 12:23 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!:
    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now! : Uh. no he wasn't.....check the stats... And Who did Holt have throwing to him, certainly it wasn't any pro-bowl caliber QB..... If Holt is way past his prime by getting over 700 yds with no other offensive weapons and a POS QB, then you are in for a BIG surprise watching Brady throw to him.......   If Moss is on his way to being past his prime and still pulling in 13 TD's and 1,200+ yds...than I am happy for him....it is still better than What Marshall is going to do. Youngest = least experienced.....not exactly a good thing..... You obviously know nothing about football...LOL! try looking at the stats and keeping up with the rest of us.....
    Posted by m1021us

    actually david gerrard is pretty good and i believe he has played in a pro bowl before

    and i wouldnt count on moss's stats being better this year or any year going forward...the pats still didnt address the pass rush and their offensive line play, as far as blocking for brady was less than stellar last year

    meaning the pats could either not be able to stop passing offenses or keep brady's jersey clean...id be worried if i like the pats even remotely
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 12:57 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!:

    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now! : actually david gerrard is pretty good and i believe he has played in a pro bowl before and i wouldnt count on moss's stats being better this year or any year going forward...the pats still didnt address the pass rush and their offensive line play, as far as blocking for brady was less than stellar last year meaning the pats could either not be able to stop passing offenses or keep brady's jersey clean...id be worried if i like the pats even remotely
    Posted by Jimmy42Jack0


    the Pats didn't address the pass protection?  Didn't they just get 2 blocking TE's and now the whole line is healthy and they added a C and T in the draft.

    Let me ask you If Henne got sacked 26 times and Miami didn't improve their O-Line, then how will Marshall have a good year?  Brady was only sacked 16 times.

     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 1:16 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!:
    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now! : actually david gerrard is pretty good and i believe he has played in a pro bowl before and i wouldnt count on moss's stats being better this year or any year going forward...the pats still didnt address the pass rush and their offensive line play, as far as blocking for brady was less than stellar last year meaning the pats could either not be able to stop passing offenses or keep brady's jersey clean...id be worried if i like the pats even remotely
    Posted by Jimmy42Jack0


    Gerrard was very close to being released last year....he had a 83% QB Rating, 15TD.....that is in his second year as a full time starter....and he is 32 years old!  He played in the probowl because Brady and Rivers were hurt and Manning bowed out.  he was the third QB behind Schaub and Vince Young.   
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 1:46 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!:
    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now! : the Pats didn't address the pass protection?  Didn't they just get 2 blocking TE's and now the whole line is healthy and they added a C and T in the draft. Let me ask you If Henne got sacked 26 times and Miami didn't improve their O-Line, then how will Marshall have a good year?  Brady was only sacked 16 times.
    Posted by m1021us

    the pats added two blocking TE's? i know they added crumpler but the other 2 are both pass catchers by nature

    and henne held the ball for a long time last because caramillo, hartlins, and bess couldnt get open fast enough(which was especially a problem after ronnie went down)

    but it wasnt the sack total that i judge my total by...henne took a couple of big hits, but nothing like how brady got pounded because at least henne had the benefit of a running game and creative play calling, not a WR screen to welker every single play

    marshall will have a good year because IMO, henne is better than cutler and orton and has a better running game than both those broncos teams

    oh and by the way, you can put me in the camp of people who believe the pats have the best WR corps in the division...i just believe marshall will have a big year...fair enough?
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 1:50 PM EDT

    Exactly...but mdummy doesn't listen to anything within reason. The king Ignoramous. I really can't waite til the season starts.
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 1:53 PM EDT

    M, i never said gerrard was a sure fire, hall of famer or anything...but he isnt that bad and the offensive line play in jacksonville has been awful for the last 2 years since the shooting of one of their players

    not to give gerrard a line of excuses...but unless your O-line protects you...you dont have a chance no matter if your name is manning, marino, or joe schmoe from idaho

    plus...i cant name one WR that plays for the jags...which certainly didnt help gerrard either...but he isnt a bad player

     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 2:35 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!:
    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now! : the pats added two blocking TE's? i know they added crumpler but the other 2 are both pass catchers by nature and henne held the ball for a long time last because caramillo, hartlins, and bess couldnt get open fast enough(which was especially a problem after ronnie went down) but it wasnt the sack total that i judge my total by...henne took a couple of big hits, but nothing like how brady got pounded because at least henne had the benefit of a running game and creative play calling, not a WR screen to welker every single play marshall will have a good year because IMO, henne is better than cutler and orton and has a better running game than both those broncos teams oh and by the way, you can put me in the camp of people who believe the pats have the best WR corps in the division...i just believe marshall will have a big year...fair enough?
    Posted by Jimmy42Jack0


    I don't think that Henne is better than Cutler.....Henne is a better teammate and person than Cutler and I would rather have Henne on my team than Cutler.

    hernandez and Gronkowski are both pass catchers, but they are decent blockers as well.  Alge is a really good blocker....

    Brady didn't get pounded as bad as you think that he did.....we were battling with injuries at RB and our O-line....and everyone is reported in as healthy.  Besides, be didn't have a #2 WR last year to take the pressure off of Moss....now we have many other options like any of our 3 TE's, Holt, Price or Tate.....Moss will be better (or the same) next year....
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 2:37 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!:
    Exactly...but mdummy doesn't listen to anything within reason. The king Ignoramous. I really can't waite til the season starts.
    Posted by perfect72


    When you post dumb BS, there is no reasoning with that.....keep trying TROLL.
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 2:38 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!:
    M, i never said gerrard was a sure fire, hall of famer or anything...but he isnt that bad and the offensive line play in jacksonville has been awful for the last 2 years since the shooting of one of their players not to give gerrard a line of excuses...but unless your O-line protects you...you dont have a chance no matter if your name is manning, marino, or joe schmoe from idaho plus...i cant name one WR that plays for the jags...which certainly didnt help gerrard either...but he isnt a bad player
    Posted by Jimmy42Jack0


    Then you have help prove my case about Holt not playing well in Jax......
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 2:56 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!:
    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now! : I don't think that Henne is better than Cutler.....Henne is a better teammate and person than Cutler and I would rather have Henne on my team than Cutler. hernandez and Gronkowski are both pass catchers, but they are decent blockers as well.  Alge is a really good blocker.... Brady didn't get pounded as bad as you think that he did.....we were battling with injuries at RB and our O-line....and everyone is reported in as healthy.  Besides, be didn't have a #2 WR last year to take the pressure off of Moss....now we have many other options like any of our 3 TE's, Holt, Price or Tate.....Moss will be better (or the same) next year....
    Posted by m1021us

    ok...ill start with henne

    right now, he is a better person and a better QB than cutler...if anything, just look at the INT's cutler throws...and with the weapons chicago had surrounded cutler with, he was an absolute failure last year with a regression in his production

    could he get better? yeah probably...will he? im not so sure...he plays like brett favre without the passion but the same, gun slinging, i can fit a football into a quarter inch hole mentality

    henne...is...errr...for the lack of a better word...more brady-ish...in that he sees the field well and doesnt make very many mistakes...and they both went to michigan...but until henne does more thats where ill leave that comparison

    decent blockers at TE are WR's that are too fat/slow and cant get open on a corner...relying on these guys to make your offense move is a scary proposition, but then again...i dont trust rookies and BB doesnt really either...so while they could open up the pats offense...i wouldnt count on it either

    and no #2 WR to take the pressure off moss? hello? you had welker until the last week of the season and played him a game that meant NOTHING...im sorry but i just cant see the pats being very different on offense...last year's WR screen to welker will be this year's WR screen to edlemann or faulk
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 2:59 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!:
    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now! : Then you have help prove my case about Holt not playing well in Jax......
    Posted by m1021us

    i dont think anyone on the jags offense played well last year sans jones-drew and even he struggled for stretches

    i like the holt pickup for the pats but to expect even half of what he used to do in stl. may be expecting too much from him
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 3:05 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!:
    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now! : i dont think anyone on the jags offense played well last year sans jones-drew and even he struggled for stretches i like the holt pickup for the pats but to expect even half of what he used to do in stl. may be expecting too much from him
    Posted by Jimmy42Jack0

    Don't waste your breath...you can't teach stupidity. Newbie M can't see past his Tom Brady poster.
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 3:13 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!:
    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now! : i dont think anyone on the jags offense played well last year sans jones-drew and even he struggled for stretches i like the holt pickup for the pats but to expect even half of what he used to do in stl. may be expecting too much from him
    Posted by Jimmy42Jack0


    He did half with Gerrard.....he will do better with Brady.
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 3:15 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!:
    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now! : Don't waste your breath...you can't teach stupidity. Newbie M can't see past his Tom Brady poster.
    Posted by perfect72


    LOL!  Look at the troll calling me a noobie!  1) he isn't using his breath.  2) perfect example of stupidity is perfect72.  3) I don't have any posters.
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 3:43 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!:
    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now! : He did half with Gerrard.....he will do better with Brady.
    Posted by m1021us

    im not saying his production wont go up...but holt is clearly not the same guy he was in stl. glory days of old and to expect him to run by defenders like he used to is not being very realistic

    IMO, if you get 45 catches, 600 yards and 3 TD's from holt, id call it a success and that he did his job
     

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    Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!

    posted at 5/25/2010 3:49 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now!:
    In Response to Re: WR in the AFC east who has the best receivers now! : ok...ill start with henne right now, he is a better person and a better QB than cutler...if anything, just look at the INT's cutler throws...and with the weapons chicago had surrounded cutler with, he was an absolute failure last year with a regression in his production could he get better? yeah probably...will he? im not so sure...he plays like brett favre without the passion but the same, gun slinging, i can fit a football into a quarter inch hole mentality henne...is...errr...for the lack of a better word...more brady-ish...in that he sees the field well and doesnt make very many mistakes...and they both went to michigan...but until henne does more thats where ill leave that comparison decent blockers at TE are WR's that are too fat/slow and cant get open on a corner...relying on these guys to make your offense move is a scary proposition, but then again...i dont trust rookies and BB doesnt really either...so while they could open up the pats offense...i wouldnt count on it either and no #2 WR to take the pressure off moss? hello? you had welker until the last week of the season and played him a game that meant NOTHING...im sorry but i just cant see the pats being very different on offense...last year's WR screen to welker will be this year's WR screen to edlemann or faulk
    Posted by Jimmy42Jack0


    Cutler had no weapons in Chicago....Forte is not the same and Olson or Hester are his best targets?  He still racked up 3600+ yds and 27 TD's.  Miami had a better running game than Chicago too.  And yes, Cutler is a gun slinger and makes some bad decisions like Favre.

    I wouldn't go so far as saying Henne is Bradyish....but I get the type of comparison that you are trying to make.

    Not relying on the rookie TE's to make the offense move, these 2 rookie TE's are good blockers, but are also good route runner receivers (one of them has been compared to Dallas Clark). 

    Welker is technically the #3 WR (usually the Slot receiver is referred to as the #3).  We have much more depth with our second year WR Tate (who should know the system now and is healthy), rookie Price (whom just signed), Holt and Patten......Edleman will be the #3 until Welker gets back.  The run game will be much better with Alge blocking and having the RB's healthy.

    I will go on a limb and guess that NE will be in the op 5 in scoring this year.