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Ya know what's nice?

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    Bingo!! Well put. This defense changed because of Talib and a aggressive nature towards the draft this year to change the fortunes of this defense. Things don't take 4 years to improve in the NFL - in fact things change overnight with injuries, free agent signings, drafts, trades...it's the most fluid roster in ALL of sports and teams change very very quickly. Unless you have a good QB - then you have the chance to be good for a long time.




    I will disagree with you here.  Just because your fortunes appear to change overnight in the NFL does not mean they actually did.  A player like Talib can be the missing puzzle piece that leads to improved results, but you don't "finish the puzzle" without all of the other pieces.  A defense featuring Talib and 10 other JAGS would not be very good.




    True, if one single guy could change a defense he'd have to be a very very special/impact type of guy...Talib is not that. However do you think it takes four drafts, four free agency periods and four off seasons to improve your defense? We almost entirely rebuilt this roster back in the early dynasty years between our first and second super bowl - those two teams were vastly different in personel...it didn't take 4 years. You see teams change dramatically in one off season - you get a team that basically stinks one year and then they add a couple of pieces and they are in the playoffs. Look at Washington, they add a QB and suddenly they are on the brink of the playoffs.

     
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    Young defense that is starting to bring it all together. The changes in the secondary this year have helped too. 

     
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    Histrionics, personalities and individual agenda aside, I'm enjoying watching the absolute best offense in the NFL complemented by what appears to be a solid and ever improving defense.  Great time to be a Pats fan, isn't it?

     
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    True, if one single guy could change a defense he'd have to be a very very special/impact type of guy...Talib is not that. However do you think it takes four drafts, four free agency periods and four off seasons to improve your defense? We almost entirely rebuilt this roster back in the early dynasty years between our first and second super bowl - those two teams were vastly different in personel...it didn't take 4 years. You see teams change dramatically in one off season - you get a team that basically stinks one year and then they add a couple of pieces and they are in the playoffs. Look at Washington, they add a QB and suddenly they are on the brink of the playoffs.




    QB is a unique position so I'm not sure if the analogy applies to a defense.  In addition I think NE had to replace a lot more guys than some teams do that appear to have quick turnarounds.  Think about it.  Wilfork is the only guy on this team that was on the 2007 team that went 16-0 on the defensive side of the ball.  Belichick had to literally replace the entire defense without the benefit of the highest draft picks because we haven't stopped winning.

    Could it have been done faster?  In theory maybe.  I see you alluded to what he did between 2001 and 2003 and that was a pretty remarkable run in terms of the draft and FA acquisitions that were made.  But that is an impossibly high standard imo.  There were a lot of things that had to go right for that to work.  I don't think we approached it any differently this time, it just took longer because not every move works out.  Hell you could argue as good as BB is even he was due for some mean reversion.  You can't be almost 100% accurate forever.  I really think what Belichick has done as GM here is severely underrated by a lot of fans (although I will give you credit for acknowledging what was done between our 1st and 2nd SBs since even that is often glossed over since it was a while ago in football terms).

     
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    True, if one single guy could change a defense he'd have to be a very very special/impact type of guy...Talib is not that. However do you think it takes four drafts, four free agency periods and four off seasons to improve your defense? We almost entirely rebuilt this roster back in the early dynasty years between our first and second super bowl - those two teams were vastly different in personel...it didn't take 4 years. You see teams change dramatically in one off season - you get a team that basically stinks one year and then they add a couple of pieces and they are in the playoffs. Look at Washington, they add a QB and suddenly they are on the brink of the playoffs.




    QB is a unique position so I'm not sure if the analogy applies to a defense.  In addition I think NE had to replace a lot more guys than some teams do that appear to have quick turnarounds.  Think about it.  Wilfork is the only guy on this team that was on the 2007 team that went 16-0 on the defensive side of the ball.  Belichick had to literally replace the entire defense without the benefit of the highest draft picks because we haven't stopped winning.

    Could it have been done faster?  In theory maybe.  I see you alluded to what he did between 2001 and 2003 and that was a pretty remarkable run in terms of the draft and FA acquisitions that were made.  But that is an impossibly high standard imo.  There were a lot of things that had to go right for that to work.  I don't think we approached it any differently this time, it just took longer because not every move works out.  Hell you could argue as good as BB is even he was due for some mean reversion.  You can't be almost 100% accurate forever.  I really think what Belichick has done as GM here is severely underrated by a lot of fans (although I will give you credit for acknowledging what was done between our 1st and 2nd SBs since even that is often glossed over since it was a while ago in football terms).



    My compliments on a thoughtful and well-reasoned post.

     
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    True, if one single guy could change a defense he'd have to be a very very special/impact type of guy...Talib is not that. However do you think it takes four drafts, four free agency periods and four off seasons to improve your defense? We almost entirely rebuilt this roster back in the early dynasty years between our first and second super bowl - those two teams were vastly different in personel...it didn't take 4 years. You see teams change dramatically in one off season - you get a team that basically stinks one year and then they add a couple of pieces and they are in the playoffs. Look at Washington, they add a QB and suddenly they are on the brink of the playoffs.




    QB is a unique position so I'm not sure if the analogy applies to a defense.  In addition I think NE had to replace a lot more guys than some teams do that appear to have quick turnarounds.  Think about it.  Wilfork is the only guy on this team that was on the 2007 team that went 16-0 on the defensive side of the ball.  Belichick had to literally replace the entire defense without the benefit of the highest draft picks because we haven't stopped winning.

    Could it have been done faster?  In theory maybe.  I see you alluded to what he did between 2001 and 2003 and that was a pretty remarkable run in terms of the draft and FA acquisitions that were made.  But that is an impossibly high standard imo.  There were a lot of things that had to go right for that to work.  I don't think we approached it any differently this time, it just took longer because not every move works out.  Hell you could argue as good as BB is even he was due for some mean reversion.  You can't be almost 100% accurate forever.  I really think what Belichick has done as GM here is severely underrated by a lot of fans (although I will give you credit for acknowledging what was done between our 1st and 2nd SBs since even that is often glossed over since it was a while ago in football terms).



    Absolutely unreasonable post.  Facts are not allowed on this board. GET OUT!

     
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    Also, weren't you the one to always aruge with Rusty that it doesn't matter when the team scores?



    Never happened. I have always said your objective is to at least keep it close and make the plays at the endgame.

    When you score in the first 80% or so of the game doesn't matter much.



    Hmm, I must be experiencing early on-set alzheimers then.

     
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    So the D was catastrophic in the playoffs last year?

     


    If the D was so good in the playoffs last year why did BB use almost his whole draft on D and trade up twice for defensive players as well?

    Why did he trade mid-season for a bad boy DB if the D was so good?

    Reality doesn't match your take very well. Either that or you know the team better than BB.




    babe babe!  Rusty already said the "rebuild" was done before this season




    Actually, he said it was "done" before last season.




    that defense got us to a super bowl last year and were one welker drop away from winning it. i understand the giants scored on their last drive, but that was just a nice drive....that pass from eli to manningham was just unbelievable and almost uncoverable....

     
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    Is it a fact that BB spent almost his entire last draft on defense and just traded mid-season for a high profile, bad boy DB? Are those facts?


    Hmmm, #2 offense, #31 defense last year. Going out on a limb there aren't you?

     
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    True, if one single guy could change a defense he'd have to be a very very special/impact type of guy...Talib is not that. However do you think it takes four drafts, four free agency periods and four off seasons to improve your defense? We almost entirely rebuilt this roster back in the early dynasty years between our first and second super bowl - those two teams were vastly different in personel...it didn't take 4 years. You see teams change dramatically in one off season - you get a team that basically stinks one year and then they add a couple of pieces and they are in the playoffs. Look at Washington, they add a QB and suddenly they are on the brink of the playoffs.




    QB is a unique position so I'm not sure if the analogy applies to a defense.  In addition I think NE had to replace a lot more guys than some teams do that appear to have quick turnarounds.  Think about it.  Wilfork is the only guy on this team that was on the 2007 team that went 16-0 on the defensive side of the ball.  Belichick had to literally replace the entire defense without the benefit of the highest draft picks because we haven't stopped winning.

    Could it have been done faster?  In theory maybe.  I see you alluded to what he did between 2001 and 2003 and that was a pretty remarkable run in terms of the draft and FA acquisitions that were made.  But that is an impossibly high standard imo.  There were a lot of things that had to go right for that to work.  I don't think we approached it any differently this time, it just took longer because not every move works out.  Hell you could argue as good as BB is even he was due for some mean reversion.  You can't be almost 100% accurate forever.  I really think what Belichick has done as GM here is severely underrated by a lot of fans (although I will give you credit for acknowledging what was done between our 1st and 2nd SBs since even that is often glossed over since it was a while ago in football terms).



    Absolutely unreasonable post.  Facts are not allowed on this board. GET OUT!




    Is it a fact that BB spent almost his entire last draft on defense and just traded mid-season for a high profile, bad boy DB?

    Are those facts?



    Nobody said the Defense was excellent last year, but they surely played better than the offense in the playoffs.  It was prevalent that they needed to trade up and get more impact players on defense; I don't think anybody is denying that.  Also, the offense didn't need to be critiqued in the offseason; it already had an immense amount of talent.  It's just a matter of executing when they need to execute.  In fact, it was the offensive gameplan that needed to be changed, which is what most of us wanted.  The implementation of a consistent run game has surely helped both sides of the ball.  No questions asked.

    But when you allocate 1/6 of your cap to one player on one side of the ball, it's hard to distribute the money on defense.  We are blessed to have TFB, arguable the GOAT.  But having him on your squad makes cap management a bit harder.  You act like all of our cap is dedicated to the Defensive side of the ball and they're underachieving.  So when your core players (highest paid- on offense) aren't performing in the biggest games of the year, I think that's where part of the blame needs to be.

     Goodness Babe, would it hurt you to EVER give a compliment to the D or critique the offense just once?  So you think the Offense played great in the Ravens game?  How about Super Bowl 46?  What about Super Bowl 42?

     
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    I actually enjoy watching pats punt since its an opportunity to watch pats D make plays... How twisted is that...?

     
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    what would be nice is if you would stop making threads like this because this argument has been going on for too damn long and you know a thread like this was just going to pour gasoline on the fire.


    Amen and AMEN!

     
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