"MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

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    "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

    Ellsbury!

    Thoughts?
     
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    Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

    He's up there. If you look at the pool of players from the AL right now, it's probably going to come from one of the following:

    Boston - Ellsbury, Pedroia, Gonzalez
    NY - Granderson, Texeira
    Tor - Bautista
    Cle - A. Cabrera
    Chi - Konerko
    Det - Cabrera
    Tex - Beltra, Hamilton

    Those 10 guys (outside of pitchers) should make up the Top 8 as it stands today.

    My top 4 as of today would be:
    Gonzalez
    Bautista
    Ellsbury
    Konerko
     
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    Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

    That's because he's posturing for his next contract.
     
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    Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

    I'm not sure he's even the team MVP.  But he is playing well.
     
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    Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

    he's definitely the team mvp
     
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    Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

    when BORA$$ uses the initials MVP, he's inferring 'most expensive player.'
     
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    [QUOTE]he's definitely the team mvp
    Posted by CTJake14[/QUOTE]Really? I thought that Adrian Gonzalez fellow might at least be in the conversation.
     
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    Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

    His numbers speak for themselves:

    15 HR
    54 RBI
    70 Runs
    .316 BA
    />.880 OPS
    /> .500 Slug
    28 SB
    1.000 Fielding PCT

     
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    Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

    Baloney.  He's having a great year, but not quite an MVP year--that goes to AGon. 
     
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    Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

    Just a tad overboard with MVP talk, but he's having a fantastic year.

     
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    [QUOTE]Just a tad overboard with MVP talk, but he's having a fantastic year.
    Posted by LloydDobler[/QUOTE]

    I'm shocked--shocked!--that an agent would exaggerate his client's worth. 
     
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    Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

    Fangraphs has his season to this point worth 21.2 million, AGon worth 19.7

    FYI:-)
     
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    Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

    regardless of the MVP initials he is making himself some big $$$$. 5/$75 sound about right? More? If Reyes is going to command 7/$150, where does that put Ellsbury?
    Puts a different spin on the Beltran rumors and offering Kalish/Reddick seeing as Beltran is 35 next season and Ellsbury could walk in 2.
     
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    Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

    BorASS would say the same thing about any of his clients, even J.D. Drew if you asked him
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says. : Really? I thought that Adrian Gonzalez fellow might at least be in the conversation.
    Posted by carnie[/QUOTE]

    Gonzo will hopefully be the AL MVP and I don't discount what he's done but if Ells is not having this year we're not in 1st.  It's that simple.  See: SD Padres.

    //edit: Also, patronizing is annoying.
     
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    Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

    Of course Borass would say that.

    But why believe him?

    Bob from Bob's Furniture is not going to tell you Elliot of Jordan's is the MVP of furniture stores.
     
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    Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

    Boras always postures, but Ellsbury is in the Top 4 right now.

    rameakap - Does fangraphs lists order of salary worth by league?
     
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    Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

    Who knows about the MVP, he has got comeback player of the year locked up though.
     
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    Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

    Boras loves to make dossiers of his clients achievement's and present them at negotiation time. He also is very astute at comparing his client , their numbers with other players who play similar positions and the money those players receive. 
    The one player , who Boras will use in negotiation is none other than The Kosher Butcher from Brookline's greatest value signing ever, Carl Crawford. If Crawford, who can't hit a lefthender's curve ball, is getting $142 mil over 7 years, what's Boras going to ask for Jakes services?

    Good old benchmark Theo has painted himself into a corner on this one. negotiations will get very tedious at best.

    The Butcher signed the over the hill Cameron last year , who single-handedly took the Sox out of any pennant opportunity , they might of had by putting Jacoby on the DL for the year. Playing out of position , so that the over the hill tank , could play centerfield. 

    Assuming they get to the world series, and they better hope they don't face the Phillies, against Hamels and Lee. Crawford will be lucky to get a ball out of the infield. Nobody starts  three Left Handed hitting outfielders and wins the Ring. 

    The irony is ,that Old Benchmark Theo will probably let Jacoby walk, because 1. Of the price Tag ( set by the Crawford deal) 2. Because he knows he needs a right-handed bat in the outfield ( again because of the Crawford deal) 

    They will end up trading Jacoby, move Reddick into centerfield  and sign Kemp , or some right handed hitter , to either play center or right. This should never happened, it started with the boneheaded Cameron signing, and was put in cement with the outragous amount of money thrown at Crawford, who couldn't carry Ellsbury's spikes.   
     
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    Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

    Man, where's Softy?!? I'm worried about him. (Not).
     
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    Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

    Forget Boras, if Jake has any more "walk-offs" how can he not be MVP...

    He's got my vote and I dont even vote...
     
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    Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

    The Single Most Valuable Player to this team is hands down, Josh Beckett

     
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    [QUOTE]Boras loves to make dossiers of his clients achievement's and present them at negotiation time. He also is very astute at comparing his client , their numbers with other players who play similar positions and the money those players receive.  The one player , who Boras will use in negotiation is none other than The Kosher Butcher from Brookline's greatest value signing ever, Carl Crawford. If Crawford, who can't hit a lefthender's curve ball, is getting $142 mil over 7 years, what's Boras going to ask for Jakes services? Good old benchmark Theo has painted himself into a corner on this one. negotiations will get very tedious at best. The Butcher signed the over the hill Cameron last year , who single-handedly took the Sox out of any pennant opportunity , they might of had by putting Jacoby on the DL for the year. Playing out of position , so that the over the hill tank , could play centerfield.  Assuming they get to the world series, and they better hope they don't face the Phillies, against Hamels and Lee. Crawford will be lucky to get a ball out of the infield. Nobody starts  three Left Handed hitting outfielders and wins the Ring.  The irony is ,that Old Benchmark Theo will probably let Jacoby walk, because 1. Of the price Tag ( set by the Crawford deal) 2. Because he knows he needs a right-handed bat in the outfield ( again because of the Crawford deal)  They will end up trading Jacoby, move Reddick into centerfield  and sign Kemp , or some right handed hitter , to either play center or right. This should never happened, it started with the boneheaded Cameron signing, and was put in cement with the outragous amount of money thrown at Crawford, who couldn't carry Ellsbury's spikes.   
    Posted by aussiewill[/QUOTE]
     2009 Yankees, vs Lee and Hamels:
     Damon (Lefty)
     Gardner (Lefty)
     Cabrera (Switch, mainly lefty, as there are more righties than lefties)
     Swisher (Switch, mailny lefty).
     The Yankees didn't have an outfielder who bats righty more than 35 percent of the time in 09, and they won it all. Yes, our outfield doesn't even have a switch hitter, but to say that an outfield of all lefties can't win it all is crazy.
     
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    Re: "MVP"...Scott Boras Says.

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    [QUOTE] They will end up trading Jacoby, move Reddick into centerfield  and sign Kemp , or some right handed hitter , to either play center or right.   
    Posted by aussiewill[/QUOTE]

    I don't partiularly LIKE your scenario because I want Ells to stay in that outfield, but the good news is that IF (HUGE "IF") you're right the Sox will get someone very, very good in return.
     
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    [QUOTE]Fangraphs has his season to this point worth 21.2 million, AGon worth 19.7 FYI:-)
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]WAR tends to devalue defensive value for 1B and certainly puts it very high for CF.

    This is a fun debate. Boras would say his client was an MVP candidate even if he wasn't. But right or wrong, A-Gon is the leading candidate on the RS roster, not Pedey or Ellsbury. 
     

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