"There certainly wasn't any sense of urgency tonight. The Red Sox were rather desultory, seemingly content to let another game drift away".

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    This quote is from Peter Abraham's storyline after tonight's debacle. I've been talking mismanagement and lack of accountability breeding mediocrity for several days now. Are we ALL now starting to understand the problem. PLEASE: No more slow thinkers or Coma Ditto-Heads anymore. Would appreciate comments on how the Sox can save themselves. Thanks.
     
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    Pitchers need to pitch better, hitters need to hit better...there, problem fixed..and had nothing to do with Tito..Although I obviously dont agree with all his calls, the players play the game...
     
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    If you look to Peter Abraham to form an opinion,you may not want to be calling others "slow thinkers".
     
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    Excellent Mojo!
     
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    Re: "There certainly wasn't any sense of urgency tonight. The Red Sox were rather desultory, seemingly content to let an...

    coma's job to keep everyone motivated.
    young's job to get/keep pitchers on track.
    magadan's job to straighten out hitters.
    medical staff job to keep everyone healthy.
    none of them are doing their jobs well now.
    if the hitters and pitchers are supposed to just do their jobs well,then we wouldn't need these guys at all woul dwe.
     
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    You know it's a bad night   when at   3-0   you figure   we're not coming back and opt  to watch high school football  Buford, Ga. and Yulee, Fl.  played before a bigger and louder  crowd  than in the Orange Juice House.
     
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    Pitchers need to pitch better, hitters need to hit better...there, problem fixed..and had nothing to do with Tito..Although I obviously dont agree with all his calls, the players play the game...
    Posted by southpaw777


    if its that simple,why do we need coma and his staff at all?
     
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    Re: "There certainly wasn't any sense of urgency tonight. The Red Sox were rather desultory, seemingly content to let an...

    As a fan since the mid 60's, I am beginning I am seeing the  country club lethargic Sox re-emerge. The only anger/frustration I see in the dugout comes from Big Papi. Lester is pitching his heart out. But look on the field, look in the dugout where is the fire in the belly?  Are they tired? Are some pitchers physically out of shape?  For all that talent, the results lately have been discouraging.
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    You know it's a bad night   when at   3-0   you figure   we're not coming back and opt  to watch high school football  Buford, Ga. and Yulee, Fl.  played before a bigger and louder  crowd  than in the Orange Juice House.
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    During a 162-game season, the Red Sox (as well as all other clubs) go through slumps. 

    The Yankees are struggling too.  So are the Brewers. 

    As long as Lackey is sent to the North Pole and not pitch for us again this season, we will be fine. 
     
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    coma's job to keep everyone motivated. young's job to get/keep pitchers on track. magadan's job to straighten out hitters. medical staff job to keep everyone healthy. none of them are doing their jobs well now. if the hitters and pitchers are supposed to just do their jobs well,then we wouldn't need these guys at all woul dwe.
    Posted by udontnojack


    If a ballplayer need motivation to play the game, he doesnt need to play.
    Curt young doesnt pitch, he cant make them pitch good once on the mound.
    Hitters go into slumps, its baseball, or did you forget..
    No, medical staff is to diagnose and treat injury, not prevent it.

    These players were all playing good at one point. Now all of a sudden its the whole coaching and medical staffs fault? Did you give them credit when they were playing good? probably not....


     
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    It appears that a few posters are unable to put the blame on twenty-five players which is where it belongs. Instead they put all of the blame on someone who sits in the dugout and doesn't pitch, bat, or field. Simplistic thinking.
     
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    I have been saying for a few weeks now that our playoff chances are not guaranteed. Most of the nation felt it is over and started acting like we are in playoffs, media fueled this crap as well. I hope they make it to the playoffs but my mind says it is a 50:50 chance now and its been for few weeks.
     
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    we will make it to the playoffs...like Milton Berle this team is taking out just enough to win.
     
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    This quote is from Peter Abraham's storyline after tonight's debacle. I've been talking mismanagement and lack of accountability breeding mediocrity for several days now. Are we ALL now starting to understand the problem. PLEASE: No more slow thinkers or Coma Ditto-Heads anymore. Would appreciate comments on how the Sox can save themselves. Thanks.
    Posted by PetesCall


    I wasn't aware that Peter Abraham is a medium / psychic and can read the minds of 25 players at once. Astonding.
     
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    In Response to Re: "There certainly wasn't any sense of urgency tonight. The Red Sox were rather desultory, seemingly content to let another game drift away". : If a ballplayer need motivation to play the game, he doesnt need to play. Curt young doesnt pitch, he cant make them pitch good once on the mound. Hitters go into slumps, its baseball, or did you forget.. No, medical staff is to diagnose and treat injury, not prevent it. These players were all playing good at one point. Now all of a sudden its the whole coaching and medical staffs fault? Did you give them credit when they were playing good? probably not....
    Posted by southpaw777


    Right.Just like its the American citizens' fault that we are in the economic mess we're in, not the administration. Consumers just aren't spending enough money!
     
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    It appears that a few posters are unable to put the blame on twenty-five players which is where it belongs. Instead they put all of the blame on someone who sits in the dugout and doesn't pitch, bat, or field. Simplistic thinking.
    Posted by Myles-Standish


    You DO understand don't you, that it's management's responsilbilty to make sure that a business succeeds? It's no different in baseball. Do the players get fired? No. The buck stops at the top of the food chain.
     
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    Re: "There certainly wasn't any sense of urgency tonight. The Red Sox were rather desultory, seemingly content to let an...

    For $17M per year, John Lackey was slow covering first base on the ball hit to Gonzalez. Are you kidding me? He should be busting his you know what.

    And I love Tito's quote on the possible Lackey injury:

    He said he should be able to go our there and make his next start. 

    Why not? He's the worst starting pitcher (ERA wise) in all of baseball. How much worse can you get? You can't.
     
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    lets be honest  that line drive gave tito a nice reason to yank a terrible lackey
     
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    In Response to Re: "There certainly wasn't any sense of urgency tonight. The Red Sox were rather desultory, seemingly content to let another game drift away".:
    During a 162-game season, the Red Sox (as well as all other clubs) go through slumps.  The Yankees are struggling too.  So are the Brewers.  As long as Lackey is sent to the North Pole and not pitch for us again this season, we will be fine. 
    Posted by Ice-Cream


    Agree with you about Lackey.  He has been awful his last few starts.  I don't know who the Red Sox will pitch in the playoffs.  He can't be relied upon.  I wish we had a healthy Dice-K.  We don't know what kind of season Dice-K could have had, but he couldn't have been worse than Lackey. 
     
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    Re: "There certainly wasn't any sense of urgency tonight. The Red Sox were rather desultory, seemingly content to let an...

    From an article by Jim Mandelaro, staff writer, Rochester, NY Democrat &
     Chronicle, 9/10/11:

    "There's a great scene in the movie "Fever Pitch" about a Red Sox-obsessed fan played by Jimmy Fallon. His friends are disgusted to see Boston stars Jason Varitek, Trot Nixon and Jhonny Damon enjoying laughs and dinner after falliing behind  3 games to 0 to the hated Yankees in the 2004 ALCS. 

    Until the Fallon character sets them straight. 'Why shouldn't they eat?' he asks. 'they played hard. They did their best. Move on. I kind of enyy those guys.They understand something we don't. Their whole life isn't out on that field. It's their job. It's not an obsession'.

    And that's about right. We go to games and cheer. We hope our team wins. But it's OK if they don't. It's not do or die.

    Do or die is being a fireman going up a burning Twin Towers stairwell as others are rushing down

    Sudden death is leaving for work one crisp September morning in 2001 and never coming home.

    Sports is many things. Exhilarating. Deflating. Uplifting. Frustrating. But it isn't life or death. It's not the end of the world.

    Just ask the families of nearly 3,000 innocent people who died 10 years ago Sunday".

    So relax, fellows. Enjoy the game. Be glad your able to come home again.  
     
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    lets be honest  that line drive gave tito a nice reason to yank a terrible lackey
    Posted by georom4


    I have to admit, and Im a bit ashamed of it..But as soon as that ball hit him I said "oh good!! Now take him out"...I never wish a player to get hurt, and the same went for last night. I just cant watch this guy anymore. And I dont want to hear about quality starts..These starters NEED to start going deep into games..ie; 7-8 innings. Or would a complete game be out of the question?? The bullpen is suffering because of it..
     
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    Posted by Alibiike


    Do you understand that a high-achieving MLB team will lose 60+ times during the regular season? Sometimes consecutively?  Whose fault is that?
     
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    But then who will you have left to blame?
     
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    Posted by SonicsMonksLyresVicars


    Someone gets it!!!!

    Any fan who thinks the team needs to win every time they play just isn’t paying attention to this very simple game.  They cling to ridiculous misconceptions, many of which counter each other.  If Francona gives players a day off, he is throwing in the towel.  If he plays players every day, he is only managing out of loyalty and a desire to be a “buddy.”  And naturally, all of this can only be decided after the game was played.

    Another heavy misconception is that imperfection = weakness, and therefore makes the team incapable of winning anything.  While, say, bad middle relief certainly can be a downfall, there is no guarantee.  What these fans, and most, completely miss is that baseball uses a very large season to magnify very small differences.

    For example, every team loses 40% of the time.  The best win 60% of the time; the worst closer to 40%.  That is not a big difference when viewed in that light.  If every football team won between 6 and 10 games every year, that would be the approximate equivalent.  But what was the last 10-6 NFL team to get a first round bye?  If every NFL team fell in that range, it is safe to assume a few 6-10 teams would win against 10-6 teams (several do as it is now).  Are those coaches trying to be “buddies” with their players too?

    If a hitter gets hits 3 times in 10 ABs, he is among the best in the league. But if he gets 2 hits, he is among the worst, a ridiculously small difference.  It only becomes noticeable when those 10 AB stretches are played out 60 times and cumulative differences add up.  Still, it is a 10% range. Fans view a .280 hitter as doing his job, but a .240 hitter as completely inadequate.  Yet they only differ by one hit every 25 ABs, and the good player only gets hits 4% more often.  If Student A gets an 88 on a test, and Student B gets an 84%, was the performance of Student B really all that inferior to that of Student A?

    This really is important, because compared to the regular season, the post-season is extremely short – 3 to 19 games. Those small differences do not necessarily get magnified as radically.  Even the worst hitter is capable of getting hot for a few games and making a significant difference.   Even the worst pitcher on a team is capable of having one or two good games that can all but nullify a subpar season.  A bullpen that looked bad over the last 600 innings during the regular season is actually capable of putting it all together for a mere 30 innings, and probably did have a stretch or two like that during the regular season.  Similarly, a player with a great regular season is capable of disappearing in the short post-season.  Anything can happen.  We all saw this as recently as last season.  The Giants had an offense that scored below league average in runs per game.  The Phillies allowed the third fewest runs per game in the NL.  While the Giants had the best pitching, Philadelphia also had the second best offense, a reasonable counter.  This was a complete mismatch.  Even if you expected the Giants to limit the Phillies’ offense, you had to also expect Philadelphia’s clearly solid pitching to hold the Giants at bay by an even greater margin.  Yet who won?

    This is why making the post-season is actually more important that ensuring a division title.  While the division title certainly has greater perks, such as home field, the most important thing is to make sure the team gets in.

    The Sox struggles right now are very much related to the starting pitching, which in turn is tied to the injuries.  While Beckett might not be 100% Beckett when he returns, the Sox chances of winning the AL East do diminish significantly without him.  However, if he were to require missing a couple more starts to be 100%, I can see why it is done. 
    As long as this team does not forget about Tampa.

     
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    Posted by SonicsMonksLyresVicars


    do high achieving teams start off the season with their worst record in 100 years of baseball? do high achieving teams play .200 ball in september?
     
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