"There certainly wasn't any sense of urgency tonight. The Red Sox were rather desultory, seemingly content to let another game drift away".

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    Frankly, they look like they've given up. Lackey pitched like he didn't care, and proved it when he was LATE getting to first on play where runner should have been out.  In a word, he quit, and so it appears has many on the the team. Despite all their injury woes, the manager is not doing his job. It's time he stopped playing musical chairs with the lineup and started to manage. Put some fight back in then guys; they'e got more talent than you can count, wake it up!
     
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    Most of this is pure nonsense.

    We're losing now because we have Wakefield and Miller pitching instead of Buchholz and Dice, and the fact that Lackey's been terrible.  Add to that the fact that Youk's been hobbling, and pedroia is in a 6-game slump.

    The idea that every winning streak is a result of Tito motivating the players, and every losing streak is a result of tito forgetting to motivate the players, is voodoo.

    Has anyone ever been in a batter's slump?  Did the manager come over and say 'we really need you tonight' and went out and got four hit that night?

    Right now, it's Lackey, Wake, Miller and Weiland.  Tito can channel Knute Rockne, and he won't make any of those guys into good pitchers.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "There certainly wasn't any sense of urgency tonight. The Red Sox were rather desultory, seemingly content to let another game drift away". : do high achieving teams start off the season with their worst record in 100 years of baseball? do high achieving teams play .200 ball in september?
    Posted by georom4[/QUOTE]

    Yes.  This year, for example, the Red Sox started 2-10 but will likely end up with 95-98 wins and make the playoffs.  How can you seriously ask that question?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "There certainly wasn't any sense of urgency tonight. The Red Sox were rather desultory, seemingly content to let another game drift away". : do high achieving teams start off the season with their worst record in 100 years of baseball? do high achieving teams play .200 ball in september?
    Posted by georom4[/QUOTE]

    TB started off 1-9.  Maddon's fault?
    NYY lost 9-12 at one point.  Girardi's fault?
    Detroit's had a 5-game and 7-game losing streaks this year.  Leyland's fault?
    Texas lost 15 of 23 at one point.  Washington's fault?
    LAA has had losing streaks this year of 4, 5, 5 and 6 games.  All Scioscia's fault?
    Mil had a 7-game losing streak, and later lost 7-8.  Their mgr's fault?

    Last year, Atlanta had a 9-game winning streak and a 9-game losing streak.  This year, AZ won 7 in a row, then lost 6 in a row, and then promptly won 15 of 17.

    Seems to me that the guys that don't like Tito seizes on an inevitable losing streak to prove that he isn't a good manager, but if they knew more about BB, they'd know every team goes on these streaks.  Was the AZ manager a good manager when the won 7 in a row, then suddenly became stupid for 6 games in a row, then sudddenly became a genius for 15 of 17?
     
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    joey - you dont make bad points but the timing of this one is really a bad omen....it might cost us the whole season - this is why some of us feel an urgency..can you appreciate that?
     
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    [QUOTE]joey - you dont make bad points but the timing of this one is really a bad omen....it might cost us the whole season - this is why some of us feel an urgency..can you appreciate that?
    Posted by georom4[/QUOTE]

    I can certainly appreciate the sense of urgency.

    But until Beckett and Bedard come back, we'll have Lackey, Wake, Weiland and Miller in the rotation.  If Lackey and Wake were the 4/5, you might get semi-decent game half the time, bring in Aceves and maybe play .500 with them, which is actually their record.  Then when the other 3 go, you might win 2-3.  Then you'd be back to .600.

    It's really not mysterious.  It's a function of the players with a normal amount of variance.  The idea that Tito can somehow motivate a pitcher to pitch beyond his capabilities is kind of akin to magic.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "There certainly wasn't any sense of urgency tonight. The Red Sox were rather desultory, seemingly content to let another game drift away". : I can certainly appreciate the sense of urgency. But until Beckett and Bedard come back, we'll have Lackey, Wake, Weiland and Miller in the rotation.  If Lackey and Wake were the 4/5, you might get semi-decent game half the time, bring in Aceves and maybe play .500 with them, which is actually their record.  Then when the other 3 go, you might win 2-3.  Then you'd be back to .600. It's really not mysterious.  It's a function of the players with a normal amount of variance.  The idea that Tito can somehow motivate a pitcher to pitch beyond his capabilities is kind of akin to magic.
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]

    th only problem you see is starting pitching?
     
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    This year has been like that w/ the Sox there is no fight in them and Francona better find out why  They use to be able to bring in runs all the time This year they act like they don't even want to bothrt I say SIT THOSE PLAYERS AND play players THAT WANT TO WIN AND CARE ABOUT IT Cause these guys don't

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "There certainly wasn't any sense of urgency tonight. The Red Sox were rather desultory, seemingly content to let another game drift away". : th only problem you see is starting pitching?
    Posted by georom4[/QUOTE]

    It's the biggest problem by far.  Paps, Bard, and Aceves have been magnificent, Wheeler pretty decent, Morales okay in a small sample size, and not much faith in the rest.

    However, if our rotation was suddenly Beckett, Lester, Buchholz, Bedard, and Lackey, we'd be the best team in the league by a fair amount.  Nor would you be particularly concerned about the 6/7 in the BP.

    And I'd like to see a healthy Youk.
     
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    [QUOTE]This year has been like that w/ the Sox there is no fight in them and Francona better find out why  They use to be able to bring in runs all the time This year they act like they don't even want to bothrt I say SIT THOSE PLAYERS AND play players THAT WANT TO WIN AND CARE ABOUT IT Cause these guys don't
    Posted by Paulawht63[/QUOTE]

    Good idea.

    Now how do we find this out?  Do we ask the players if they want to win?

    And if  Miller and Albers say they really, really want to win, does that make them the #1 SP and RP?

    LMK when you find out which players REALLY WANT TO WIN.
     
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    I think we're about to see a revival, and I've been one of the most vocal critics of the team the past few days. The injuries, most of them, are not as bad as we first feared. I think we can get one at Tampa, maybe get lucky and get two. But we'll make the playoffs. If the injuries let up like it looks like they might, we might even hold our own there. It wasn't the bad play that irked me as much as the injuries, and I think that may be true of the team as well. If people get back with the team, I think it helps morale and lets them relax and do what they do best. It'll happen.
     
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    I watch every game and Tito is the worst game manager in baseball. He must be good in the clubhouse and being a player's manager and all that, but he is just an awful game mangager.

    He seems to have the opposite philosophy of what we are taught as kids. With Tito, it's what's best for this player and to hell with the team. If it's the 5th inning he'll leave a pitcher in too long in hopes of getting him the win. If a guy is struggling terribly, we better get him in there quickly to show him we haven't given up on him. Don't try for the extra base because you might get hurt. And everybody needs so much ridiculous rest and yet it never keeps us healthy.

    For some reason in the past, Tito shows up to manage in the playoffs. If you look at how he manages playoff games, he actually tries to win every game. If you watch him manage during the season, it's like he doesn't even care if they win today, and he manages the game like he really is in a coma.

    We should all be tired of it. We always suck in September.
     
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    Scott...you hit the nail on the head. Thanks.


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    [QUOTE]I watch every game and Tito is the worst game manager in baseball. He must be good in the clubhouse and being a player's manager and all that, but he is just an awful game mangager. He seems to have the opposite philosophy of what we are taught as kids. With Tito, it's what's best for this player and to hell with the team. If it's the 5th inning he'll leave a pitcher in too long in hopes of getting him the win. If a guy is struggling terribly, we better get him in there quickly to show him we haven't given up on him. Don't try for the extra base because you might get hurt. And everybody needs so much ridiculous rest and yet it never keeps us healthy. For some reason in the past, Tito shows up to manage in the playoffs. If you look at how he manages playoff games, he actually tries to win every game. If you watch him manage during the season, it's like he doesn't even care if they win today, and he manages the game like he really is in a coma. We should all be tired of it. We always suck in September.
    Posted by Scott8340[/QUOTE]
     
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    [QUOTE]I watch every game and Tito is the worst game manager in baseball. He must be good in the clubhouse and being a player's manager and all that, but he is just an awful game mangager. He seems to have the opposite philosophy of what we are taught as kids. With Tito, it's what's best for this player and to hell with the team. If it's the 5th inning he'll leave a pitcher in too long in hopes of getting him the win. If a guy is struggling terribly, we better get him in there quickly to show him we haven't given up on him. Don't try for the extra base because you might get hurt. And everybody needs so much ridiculous rest and yet it never keeps us healthy. For some reason in the past, Tito shows up to manage in the playoffs. If you look at how he manages playoff games, he actually tries to win every game. If you watch him manage during the season, it's like he doesn't even care if they win today, and he manages the game like he really is in a coma. We should all be tired of it. We always suck in September.
    Posted by Scott8340[/QUOTE]

    Always suck in September?
    At the risk of being sanctimonious, lecturing and/or pontificating, what a bunch of bllsht.

    Under Francona:
    2010: 13-14
    2009: 15-13
    2008: 16-10
    2007: 16-11
    2006: 13-14
    2005: 17-12
    2004: 18-10

    Then again, don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.
     
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    [QUOTE]I watch every game and Tito is the worst game manager in baseball. He must be good in the clubhouse and being a player's manager and all that, but he is just an awful game mangager. He seems to have the opposite philosophy of what we are taught as kids. With Tito, it's what's best for this player and to hell with the team. If it's the 5th inning he'll leave a pitcher in too long in hopes of getting him the win. If a guy is struggling terribly, we better get him in there quickly to show him we haven't given up on him. Don't try for the extra base because you might get hurt. And everybody needs so much ridiculous rest and yet it never keeps us healthy. For some reason in the past, Tito shows up to manage in the playoffs. If you look at how he manages playoff games, he actually tries to win every game. If you watch him manage during the season, it's like he doesn't even care if they win today, and he manages the game like he really is in a coma. We should all be tired of it. We always suck in September.
    Posted by Scott8340[/QUOTE]

    or maybe he doesnt want to use an already overused pen...Maybe the pitchers should be able to go 7 or 8... But I shouldve known you were an expert..I mean, you WATCH EVERY GAME...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "There certainly wasn't any sense of urgency tonight. The Red Sox were rather desultory, seemingly content to let another game drift away". : or maybe he doesnt want to use an already overused pen...Maybe the pitchers should be able to go 7 or 8... But I shouldve known you were an expert..I mean, you WATCH EVERY GAME...
    Posted by southpaw777[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, people post things as if their gospel.  They made broad generalizations, assume they are true, and then decide that's the problem.
     
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    They are = they're.

     
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    For some reason in the past, Tito shows up to manage in the playoffs. If you look at how he manages playoff games, he actually tries to win every game. If you watch him manage during the season, it's like he doesn't even care if they win today, and he manages the game like he really is in a coma.

    Did you ever think there might be a reason for this?

    During the regular season, you keep players fresh for the playoffs.

    During the playoffs, you go full out since you care less about the long-term ramifications.

    Did some of this occur to you as you were typing?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "There certainly wasn't any sense of urgency tonight. The Red Sox were rather desultory, seemingly content to let another game drift away". : If a ballplayer need motivation to play the game, he doesnt need to play. Curt young doesnt pitch, he cant make them pitch good once on the mound. Hitters go into slumps, its baseball, or did you forget.. No, medical staff is to diagnose and treat injury, not prevent it. These players were all playing good at one point. Now all of a sudden its the whole coaching and medical staffs fault? Did you give them credit when they were playing good? probably not....
    Posted by southpaw777[/QUOTE]

    Blows my mind that athletes who make millions, and are still given lunch money, need to be motivated to do their DAMN JOB!
     
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    Anoher Dr. Phil here.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "There certainly wasn't any sense of urgency tonight. The Red Sox were rather desultory, seemingly content to let another game drift away". : do high achieving teams start off the season with their worst record in 100 years of baseball? do high achieving teams play .200 ball in september?
    Posted by georom4[/QUOTE]

    Milwaukee started 0-4.   Are they a "high achieving team"?
     
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    [QUOTE]I watch every game and Tito is the worst game manager in baseball. He must be good in the clubhouse and being a player's manager and all that, but he is just an awful game mangager. He seems to have the opposite philosophy of what we are taught as kids. With Tito, it's what's best for this player and to hell with the team. If it's the 5th inning he'll leave a pitcher in too long in hopes of getting him the win. If a guy is struggling terribly, we better get him in there quickly to show him we haven't given up on him. Don't try for the extra base because you might get hurt. And everybody needs so much ridiculous rest and yet it never keeps us healthy. For some reason in the past, Tito shows up to manage in the playoffs. If you look at how he manages playoff games, he actually tries to win every game. If you watch him manage during the season, it's like he doesn't even care if they win today, and he manages the game like he really is in a coma. We should all be tired of it. We always suck in September.
    Posted by Scott8340[/QUOTE]

    Wow, really.  So you are saying Francona gives more urgency to post-season games than to any of the 162 regular season games?  Gee, you think it could be because if you lose 4 of 7 in the post-season, season is over.  That's it. But if you lose 4 of 7 in the regular season,  there are still 155 games to pick up that miniscule drop off pace.  In fact, every team in MLB will lose 4 of 7 several times over the course of the season.

    Thank you for noting the obvious and still missing the point.  I can't want for your post tomorrow, where you inform us of the Sox horrible record in games where they score fewer runs that the other team....
     
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    Yeah sure, our players sure look refreshed...now if they could win...oh sorry...winning is not a detail that the "Dittohead Coma-Lovers" like to talk about.


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    [QUOTE]For some reason in the past, Tito shows up to manage in the playoffs. If you look at how he manages playoff games, he actually tries to win every game. If you watch him manage during the season, it's like he doesn't even care if they win today, and he manages the game like he really is in a coma. Did you ever think there might be a reason for this? During the regular season, you keep players fresh for the playoffs. During the playoffs, you go full out since you care less about the long-term ramifications. Did some of this occur to you as you were typing?
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]
     
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    [QUOTE]Yeah sure, our players sure look refreshed...now if they could win...oh sorry...winning is not a detail that the "Dittohead Coma-Lovers" like to talk about.  In Response to Re: "There certainly wasn't any sense of urgency tonight. The Red Sox were rather desultory, seemingly content to let another game drift away". :
    Posted by PetesCall[/QUOTE]

    Neither is blaming him for EVERY SINGLE THING and call him childish names..I dont agree with everything he does, but when I do I say it in a grown up way, not like some little girl whining like all the "Coma-Haters" such as yourself...


     

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