2 concerns from last night

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    Yeah, if only we had Trumbo up 5th!

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    I hope you are just kidding

    Trumbo would had been better than anything we have right now

    He's not the next Manny by any means but given the market he is the best available...It's easy to criticize ideas when you aren't presenting any viable ones of your own....

    Anyways, I am sure you are just kidding.  However, no way Trumbo gets a hit vs Mad Max last night - none what so ever....

     
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    1)  When Buck was struggling why didn't Farrell or the pitching coach come out to talk w/ him?  Why didn't Salty make ONE visit to the mound himself?


    2) We have no one to bat 5th to protect Ortiz in the line up

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    Actually, we have the 2nd best OPS in the league in the 5-hole.

    So, if we don't have anyone protecting Papi, then only one team in the AL has someone protecting their cleanup hitter.

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    Forget OPS.  Who would you rather face - Naps or VMart?

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    Right now, VMart is hotter.  For the season, Napoli has been a better hitter.  And I'd bet on him being a better hitter next year as well.  BB is a strict game of numbers.

     
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    Actually, we have the 2nd best OPS in the league in the 5-hole.


    No such thing as a man called "in the 5 hole". This is the big stage now, pal. Who is your 5 hole man, v Rays, and in Game 1, 2, and 3 and 4 and 5 of ALCS?

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    Trick question?

    Napoli of course.

     
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    Yeah, if only we had Trumbo up 5th!

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    I hope you are just kidding

    Trumbo would had been better than anything we have right now

    He's not the next Manny by any means but given the market he is the best available...It's easy to criticize ideas when you aren't presenting any viable ones of your own....

    Anyways, I am sure you are just kidding.  However, no way Trumbo gets a hit vs Mad Max last night - none what so ever....

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    You can't just say guys are better.  There has to be a reason.

    • Trumbo .234/.294/.453/.747
    • Napoli   .259/.360/.482/.842

    The numbers aren't even remotely close.  Trumbo's raw numbers are closer to Drew's.

     
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    VMart is a much tougher out and he doesn't KO anywhere near as often

    We either need a guy who can hit 300 w/ contact (like VMart) or a guy who can mash 35+ HR's (like a Trumbo) hitting behind Ortiz......

     
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    Yeah, if only we had Trumbo up 5th!

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    I hope you are just kidding

    Trumbo would had been better than anything we have right now

    He's not the next Manny by any means but given the market he is the best available...It's easy to criticize ideas when you aren't presenting any viable ones of your own....

    Anyways, I am sure you are just kidding.  However, no way Trumbo gets a hit vs Mad Max last night - none what so ever....

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    You can't just say guys are better.  There has to be a reason.

    • Trumbo .234/.294/.453/.747
    • Napoli   .259/.360/.482/.842

    The numbers aren't even remotely close.  Trumbo's raw numbers are closer to Drew's.

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    Averages Averages Averages

    Look at HR's and RBI

    Look at age

    Look at versatility in the field

    Look at salary

     
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    wait, Stephen Drew?  Stephen...Drew?  OK let me know when Stephen Drew hits even one third or more like 1/4 of the bombs that Trumbo launches.......

     
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    Averages Averages Averages

    Look at HR's and RBI

    Look at age

    Look at versatility in the field

    Look at salary

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    Good averages are good in baseball.

    You're overrating home runs.

    The top 4 teams in home runs in the AL were Bal, Sea, Oak, Tor.  3 of them missed the playoffs.

    Trumbo is a good home run hitter, not arguing that.  But that still only translates to one long ball every 5 games or 20 trips to the plate. 

     

     
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    Averages Averages Averages

    Look at HR's and RBI

    Look at age

    Look at versatility in the field

    Look at salary

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    Good averages are good in baseball.

    You're overrating home runs.

    The top 4 teams in home runs in the AL were Bal, Sea, Oak, Tor.  3 of them missed the playoffs.

    Trumbo is a good home run hitter, not arguing that.  But that still only translates to one long ball every 5 games or 20 trips to the plate. 

     

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    Averages don't take into account consistency

    OPS is an average of averages - we've been through this

    Total HR's by teams is also an an aggregate - aggregates hide the real story

     
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    Catfight...

    Meanwhile, my concern is that last nights win, exciting and magical as it was, was a bit of a fluke. Its not something you can count on happening again. A couple conventional wins in Detroit would do exponentially more damage.

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    Fluke is the wrong description.


    I'd agree with the fluke comment if someone other than Ortiz hit the grand slam. Yes, rallying from a 5-0 deficit isn't exactly conventional. But taking advantage of a weak bullpen is a legitimate part of the game.

     
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    Averages Averages Averages

    Look at HR's and RBI

    Look at age

    Look at versatility in the field

    Look at salary

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    Good averages are good in baseball.

    You're overrating home runs.

    The top 4 teams in home runs in the AL were Bal, Sea, Oak, Tor.  3 of them missed the playoffs.

    Trumbo is a good home run hitter, not arguing that.  But that still only translates to one long ball every 5 games or 20 trips to the plate. 

     

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    Agree with your posts. 


    Trumbo over Napoli? He's got to be kidding. 

    Napoli:  578 PA, 38 2B, 2 3B, 23 HR, 92 RBI, 187 K, .259/369/.482/.842.
    Trumbo: 678 PA, 30 2B, 2 3B, 30 HR, 100 RBI, 184 K, .234/.294/.453/.747.

    And yes, Napoli strikes out at a higher rate, but Trumbo makes a lot more outs and still strikes out a high rate. Forget about OPS. Napoli has a higher BA, has a higher OBP.

    Trumbo had 100 more plate appearances yet had just two more extra-base hits and just eight more RBIs.

     
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    1)  When Buck was struggling why didn't Farrell or the pitching coach come out to talk w/ him?  Why didn't Salty make ONE visit to the mound himself?


    2) We have no one to bat 5th to protect Ortiz in the line up

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    After Ortiz we have no one to bat 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th .....

     
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    I see two solutions to the dilemma related to Ortiz.  First is the obvious one of using Nava.  The other is to bat Pedroia 4th and Ortiz 3d. 

     

     

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    I love this idea. First, with Victorino now hitting only righty, this would give us a lefty-righty-lefty-righty top 4. Second, Pedey has a 1127 OPS in 32 games hitting cleanup. Finally, it moves our best hitter 1 spot higher into the premier hitting slot, the 3 hole.

     
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    1)  When Buck was struggling why didn't Farrell or the pitching coach come out to talk w/ him?  Why didn't Salty make ONE visit to the mound himself?


    2) We have no one to bat 5th to protect Ortiz in the line up

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    After Ortiz we have no one to bat 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th .....

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    Really?  Haven't watched much Sox ball this year huh?  

     
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    Actually, we have the 2nd best OPS in the league in the 5-hole.


    No such thing as a man called "in the 5 hole". This is the big stage now, pal. Who is your 5 hole man, v Rays, and in Game 1, 2, and 3 and 4 and 5 of ALCS?

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    Whoever bats 5th.

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    1-5 need to be specific names... not just a number... the best teams dont sit their #5 in the ALCS.

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    The best teams also don't feature clean up hitters who started the year in the minors

     

    Yet the NLCS has two teams like that...

     
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    Yeah, if only we had Trumbo up 5th!

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    I hope you are just kidding

    Trumbo would had been better than anything we have right now

    He's not the next Manny by any means but given the market he is the best available...It's easy to criticize ideas when you aren't presenting any viable ones of your own....

    Anyways, I am sure you are just kidding.  However, no way Trumbo gets a hit vs Mad Max last night - none what so ever....

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    You can't just say guys are better.  There has to be a reason.

    • Trumbo .234/.294/.453/.747
    • Napoli   .259/.360/.482/.842

    The numbers aren't even remotely close.  Trumbo's raw numbers are closer to Drew's.

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    Averages Averages Averages

    Look at HR's and RBI

    Look at age

    Look at versatility in the field

    Look at salary

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    I thought we were talking last night.

    HRs and RBI are important, but not to the extent that a handful more HRs is worth more than a 65 point higher OBP and 30 point higher SLG%. Doubles are important too.

     
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    wait, Stephen Drew?  Stephen...Drew?  OK let me know when Stephen Drew hits even one third or more like 1/4 of the bombs that Trumbo launches.......

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    I'm going by OPS.  Things like getting on base still count.

     
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    wait, Stephen Drew?  Stephen...Drew?  OK let me know when Stephen Drew hits even one third or more like 1/4 of the bombs that Trumbo launches.......

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    I'm going by OPS.  Things like getting on base still count.

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    Not for your run producers ie #5 hitters....(take a look at Don Baylor as a comparable)

     
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    Yeah, if only we had Trumbo up 5th!

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    I hope you are just kidding

    Trumbo would had been better than anything we have right now

    He's not the next Manny by any means but given the market he is the best available...It's easy to criticize ideas when you aren't presenting any viable ones of your own....

    Anyways, I am sure you are just kidding.  However, no way Trumbo gets a hit vs Mad Max last night - none what so ever....

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    You can't just say guys are better.  There has to be a reason.

    • Trumbo .234/.294/.453/.747
    • Napoli   .259/.360/.482/.842

    The numbers aren't even remotely close.  Trumbo's raw numbers are closer to Drew's.

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    Averages Averages Averages

    Look at HR's and RBI

    Look at age

    Look at versatility in the field

    Look at salary

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    Slight advantage to Trumbos in HRs, about 33/600 for Trumbo against 28/600 for Napoli.  But slugging percentage is far more important.  Trumbo has 5 more HRs per 600 ABs, but Napoli has 15 more singles per 600, and 16 more doubles.

    Which would you prefer?  5 more HRs or 15 singles and 16 doubles?  Again, not close.

    And Napoli has more RBIs per AB than Trumbo.

    And age has nothing to do with who is hitting #5 tomorrow.

    Nor does salary.

    His fielding flexibility probably helps, but he pretty much can't play OF, so it doesn't help a lot.

    But as far as a #5 hitter goes, Napoli is twice as good.

     
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    1)  When Buck was struggling why didn't Farrell or the pitching coach come out to talk w/ him?  Why didn't Salty make ONE visit to the mound himself?


    2) We have no one to bat 5th to protect Ortiz in the line up

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    On point two was that not the same line up we have had all year at different times? If that is the lament from last night where was the lament all year???

     
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    Kind of wondering if Gomes could purchase himself a first baseman's mitt and work on that position in the off season?   He would seem like a nice fit there and get regular playing time.

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    I love how people think anyone can play first base in the major leagues.  It is a very difficult position.  Just ask Prince Fielder.  He should have knocked down Iglesias' throw and Salty's foul pop up.  Cost them the game.

     
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    our starters are not as good as Detroits.... but when managers decide to pull starters just because that is what the new testament calls for.... they will lose games like this. Max had this one in the bag.

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    The "New Testement" does not state 108 pitches is the max.

    This was Leyland's call- not the book call.

     
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    wait, Stephen Drew?  Stephen...Drew?  OK let me know when Stephen Drew hits even one third or more like 1/4 of the bombs that Trumbo launches.......

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    I'm going by OPS.  Things like getting on base still count.

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    Not for your run producers ie #5 hitters....(take a look at Don Baylor as a comparable)

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    Well, you're going to have to find something and stick with it.

    We're #2 in OPS, but that apparently doesn't count, even though you like Baylor.

    And, since Napoli has a much higher slugging % than Trumbo, I assume that doesn't count.

    On the Fangraphs page URL, Napoli is better in

    • Runs/AB
    • RBIs/AB
    • BB%
    • ISO
    • Average
    • OBP
    • SLG
    • OPS
    • wOBA
    • wRC+
    • Defense
    • WAR

    Like I said, it isn't remotely close.

     

     
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    Kind of wondering if Gomes could purchase himself a first baseman's mitt and work on that position in the off season?   He would seem like a nice fit there and get regular playing time.

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    I love how people think anyone can play first base in the major leagues.  It is a very difficult position.  Just ask Prince Fielder.  He should have knocked down Iglesias' throw and Salty's foul pop up.  Cost them the game.

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    This goes way back in here.  It's not as bad as it was 5 years ago, but there was a point where it was assumed anyone could play anywhere.  At one point, the suggestion was to play Pedey at SS, Youk at 2nd, and Papi at first.  I actually kind of liked that, simply because I figured we could give away one game just to see what that looked like.

    And youk to LF was always popular.  I was at YS when he spun around twice and almost got hit in the head with the ball.  That killed most of the support, but you would still see some suggesting he could play LF, because, you know, anyone can play LF.

     
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    Yeah, if only we had Trumbo up 5th!

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    I hope you are just kidding

    Serious as a heart attack.

     

    Trumbo would had been better than anything we have right now

    Maybe, just maybe longterm, but not "right now".

    Anyway you slice it, except for HRs, Napoli is the better guy up behind Papi. But, looking closer, Napoli is possibly more likely to hit an HR in any given AB than Trumbo! He's way better at XBHs per AB (1 every 50 ABs more)

     

    2011-2013

    Napoli 1427 PAs/1219 ABs  77 HRS  76 2B+3Bs

    HR/AB  0.0632 & XBH/AB 0.126

    BA/OBP/SLG/OPS: .268/.371/.523/.894

     

    Trumbo 1837 PAs/1703 ABs  95 HRs  86 2B+3B

    HR/AB 0.0558 & XBH/AB 0.106

    BA/OBP/SLG/OPS: .251/.300/.473/.773

     

    2013 alone:

    Napoli    23 HRs/498 AB  0.0462

    Trumbo 34 HRs/620 AB  0.0548 (less than a 1% better chance of an HR)

     

    Napoli     63 XBH/498 AB  0.1265 (2% better chance for an XBH per AB)

    Trumbo  66 XBH/620 AB  0.1065

     

    Napoli:  .259/.360/.482/.842

    Trumbo .234/.294/.453/.747

     

    Maybe going forward from 2014 and beyond, Trumbo could be the better choice, but right now, I'd take Napoli, slump or no slump.

     
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