2013 Hall Of Fame Candidates-Who do you believe should be voted in?

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    Wow! Reggie Jefferson and an anonymous player said the thought Piazza was on PEDs.
    You're kidding, right? Bonds and Clemens were proven by the same testing Piazza went through as being PED users.
    Piazza never tested positive for PEDs.
    The case you put forth against Mike Piazza is WEAK!
     
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    Wow! Reggie Jefferson and an anonymous player said the thought Piazza was on PEDs. You're kidding, right? Bonds and Clemens were proven by the same testing Piazza went through as being PED users. Piazza never tested positive for PEDs. The case you put forth against Mike Piazza is WEAK!
    Posted by GhostofTito


    A former player's word is a pretty rare thing, I can't think of many other players who have voluntarily pointed out other players for using.  Bagwell never tested positive but has been hurt by speculation, and Piazza ADMITTED to using Andro but said he stopped b/c he didn't get results.

    Piazza put on 20 pounds of muscle 1 off season, his back acne was noticed by and commented on by multiple reporters during his career, he was a 62nd round draft pick who magically turned into the greatest HR hitting catcher of all time.  I don't know how an objective observer could think Piazza was clean.

    But this is the exact problem with the PED and HOF debate, it turns into a totally arbitrary fan debate.  People who liked a certain guy when he was playing are going to turn a blind eye b/c they want to believe he was clean.  And then guys like Bonds and Clemens, who are the most deserving of the Hall, are the ones who are dragged down the most b/c  their accomplishments made them targets.  If the gov't went after Piazza like they went after Bonds or Clemens I'm sure the case against Mike would be just as strong.

    I don't really care that Piazza used PED's, as I said in my previous post, judge players vs. their era. 
     
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    In Response to Re: 2013 Hall Of Fame Candidates-Who do you believe should be voted in? : A former player's word is a pretty rare thing, I can't think of many other players who have voluntarily pointed out other players for using.  Bagwell never tested positive but has been hurt by speculation, and Piazza ADMITTED to using Andro but said he stopped b/c he didn't get results. Piazza put on 20 pounds of muscle 1 off season, his back acne was noticed by and commented on by multiple reporters during his career, he was a 62nd round draft pick who magically turned into the greatest HR hitting catcher of all time.  I don't know how an objective observer could think Piazza was clean. But this is the exact problem with the PED and HOF debate, it turns into a totally arbitrary fan debate.  People who liked a certain guy when he was playing are going to turn a blind eye b/c they want to believe he was clean.  And then guys like Bonds and Clemens, who are the most deserving of the Hall, are the ones who are dragged down the most b/c  their accomplishments made them targets.  If the gov't went after Piazza like they went after Bonds or Clemens I'm sure the case against Mike would be just as strong. I don't really care that Piazza used PED's, as I said in my previous post, judge players vs. their era. 
    Posted by Thesemenarecowards


    all true

    good post Thesemenarecowards

    I agree, put them in and then it's our jobs to tell our grandkids

    about the different era's of baseball


    that said I have NP with some of these guys waiting

    10 yrs or even longer B4 they get in
     
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    In Response to Re: 2013 Hall Of Fame Candidates-Who do you believe should be voted in? : all true good post Thesemenarecowards I agree, put them in and then it's our jobs to tell our grandkids about the different era's of baseball that said I have NP with some of these guys waiting 10 yrs or even longer B4 they get in
    Posted by pinstripezac


    Thanks Zac.  Your grandkids statement is so true b/c it highlights the fake fear that somehow when Bonds gets in the Hall of Fame all of sudden he will no longer be linked to Balco and his swollen head and all other things PED's.  Especially in our era of all information being readily available, no one will ever forget about the PED era.

    It would be cowardly of MLB to have the great players of the PED era left out of the hall, because we all know that MLB allowed PED's to exist.  The Hall of Fame is a living record of MLB, to ignore an era b/c it is embarrassing would take away from what the Hall is all about. 

    I've always found it frustrating that all the "great baseball men" who managed during this era received a free pass on allowing PED use.  For example, we here so much about the genius of Tony Larussa, how he is the greatest baseball mind ever, etc.... well if that is true than he in my mind should be subject to scrutiny for allowing PED use.  Why didn't Larussa pull Big Mac aside and tell him to stop disgracing the game?  Players are paid based on performance, they cheated to perform better and earn bigger paychecks and the industry not only tolerated it but promoted it. 
     
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    Bonds said he would not show up if inducted to the hall of fame.  PEDs and the fact hes a jerk will keep him out a while.  Clemens will have to wait as well, although I would love to see drunken sox fans and drunken yankee fans together at his induction.  Bigio is a lock for next year and I think Schilling gets in.  His numbers are questionable but he was clutch in the play offs.  Besides I think the writers will want to teach Clemens a lesson by letting is student beat him to the hall.
     
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    Shoeless Joe Jackson
    Pete Rose
     untill they get in the H of F is ridicilous
     
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    Shoeless Joe Jackson Pete Rose  untill they get in the H of F is ridicilous
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    True.
     
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    I think Buster Olney has it right:  either no one from the '90s/'00s should be voted in, or they should all be judged strictly on their on-field performance.  How absurd is it when people - who have no way of knowing - say "So and so was clean unlike cheaters like .....". 

    Piazza?  Bagwell?  Pedro?  Any of them could be a baseball Marion Jones, and to pick and choose based on opinion is ridiculous.

    So I would vote for Bonds and Clemens when eligible, even though I would find it distasteful.
     
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    Thesemenarecowards

    I disagree with you about rose

    there's already plenty rose reginigation there

    IMO there's no defense for betting on BB

    at least the users could argue that they had to keep up with .............

    and no one could question whether a user was trying to be the best they could be

    the same could not be said about rose on the days he didn't bet

    and that could kill mlbs reputation  and turn it into wrestleing

    as far as the general plubic is concern

    but you R right

    ''
    The Hall of Fame is a living record of MLB,''

    so I say put him him the day after he passes

     
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    Rose banned from the game for life is enough to satisfy his gambling issues that he incurred after his playing career was over.

    He absolutely deserves to be the hall for how he played the game.
     
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    The criteria are subjective. The criteria include character. The selection process cannot be computerized. Pick your own HOF otherwise many of you will be disappointed since everyone values character differently.
     
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    Character doesn't have but one value. Reputation is what people value differently.

     
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    The media character litmus test is truly a joke, given the pitiful character of those that dominate the mass media agenda.

    http://baseballhall.org/hall-famers/rules-election/bbwaa

    See link above, refer to #5, Voting.

    It has nothing to do with the media, it has to do with the rules of the Board of Directors of National Baseball Hall of Fame. The media did not create the rules, they simply attempt to follow them to the best of their ability.

    If only people of good character could judge others, we would have to close down all our courts and government offices.
     
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    The media did not create the rules, they simply attempt to follow them to the best of their ability.

    No, they simply attempt and succeed in employing pride and ratings to drive a lousy yearly reality TV sports show.
     
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    Biggio & Piazza
     
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