2013 Red Sox............No way Jose!

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    In response to georom4's comment:

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    I'm pretty sure the only thing that will be accomplished this year is Ben Cherington's dismissal as GM

    might be the worst 150mil ever spent on labor....

     

    the good news is that no one in the division looks invincible so just by the virtue of math we might be in it for a while....but i wouldnt bet a ton on it

     

    .500 would be a nice goal - thats what im shooting for

     



    I agree....but don't count out the fact that we have one of the stronger minor leagues in the A.L. and have a lot of talent knocking on the door.  We might have better reinforcements coming up at the end of the year than anyone else.

     

    Now I'm not saying to go to Vegas and put all your money on the Sox.  I'm just trying to have my glass half full...actually it's more like 1/4 full.....I should go get some more coffee....and get to work. 

     



    as long as we play the best players, and give the kids serious playing time, Im happy - I have no illusions about the postseason....Im just going to enjoy the summertime game in a Zen way....unless I have to spend the entire season watching Drew, napoli, shane, and lackey stink it up - then i will go postal...enjoy your java Hugh!

     



    I always enjoy my morning Java!

    I will say this, expectations are low this year.  My expectations are high over the next couple years, but they are not this year.  The team has a strong farm, and the financial resources to be a winning team.  There is no reason why they shouldn't be able to start building a winning team.  What I would like to see is some leadership come from the Pitchers, perhaps Lester can fill that role; it seems like he is coming into his own with Beckett gone.  I want to see the young guys perform well. 

    I actually wouldn't be surprised if this team was about as awful as they were last year and go on a run towards the end with an infusion of young talent, possibly get up to 80-82 wins leaving us all excited for next year.

    Then again maybe this teams surprises us.  I'm not going to Vegas with notion of the Red Sox winning anything, but hey....they play em for a reason. 

     
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    A prediction about performance without including the number of games they will win is not a prediction at all but is a gaseous emanation wafting in the wind.

     

    86 wins, a fighting chance at a playoff spot, and a much, much more enjoyable team to watch than the Beckett "i haz secret move of hold the ball long time" and Gonzo "meh. no biggie" variety. 

     

    The leaders on the team now will help push other players, rather than simply enabling all the worst behaviors. For that, I am thankful.

     
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    Re: 2013 Red Sox............No way Jose!

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    Softlaw is usually ahead of the curve on these things, but I hope you're wrong this time.

     



    Of course, one is always ahead of the curve if they predict bad outcomes and some of the results come to fruition.  I can just as easily predict improvements in the performances of some players, and I will be correct sometimesalso.  Of course, Softy's world is a hypothetical one far removed from reality.  He boasts of transactions he advocated that would never have been made by the other GMs.  

     

    Now, if my money was riding on any of it, I wouldn't bet on the Red Sox winning more than 87 games.  What I would predict is the following for the staff:

    1. Both Lester's and Buchholz's performances will improve over last season.  At least one of them will improve significantly.  

    2. I'm not expecting too much from Dempster, and I was not crazy about this acquisition, but even still, he will outperform the 2012 Josh Beckett, although not by much.  Throw in Dice-K's hideous numbers (8.28 ERA; 1.71 WHIP) to make up the difference for the Beckett shortfall in outings and innings, and you have a decent gain overall.

    3. Even if Lackey gave us his 2010 numbers (4.40 ERA; 1.419 WHIP), which I predict he will best by a little, it will still be a significant improvement over a combination of Aaron Cook (5.65 ERA; 1.47 WHIP) and Daniel Bard (6.22 ERA; 1.74 WHIP).  

    4. Doubrant is a wash.  I predict his performance will even decline a little.  However, if he doesn't progress, the shortfall will made up by a pitcher to be inserted later, be that Morales, Tazawa, Aceves, one of the ex-Dodgers, or a player to be acquired.  In the end, performance in the slot should come out about even.

    5. All of the above will be bolstered by a deep and well-leveraged bullpen, which should easily adjust to underachievement or injuries to one or even a few.

    Conclusion: Pitching overall will improve significantly, especially under Farrell's leadership.  Last year's skipper was an absentee manager.  

    As far as offense:

    1B: Even with A-Gon's significant lead over Napoli in BA, A-Gon's OPS was .812 as a member of the Red Sox last season.  Ironically, Napoli's 2012 OPS was .812 also.  Playing in Fenway with a lot performance incentive, he will beat this.  Still, a loss in defense will offset these gains.  Overall, it's a wash.

    2B: Dusty is about as consistent as they get.  He was below career norms in OPS last season.  Expect a slight improvement.

    SS: Drew will return to career norms and beat Aviles's 2012 .663 OPS by at least 50 points. Not a significant upgrade on D, but a slight upgrade nontheless.  If Iggy emerges, Drew is gone.  Hopefully, someone badly needs a shortstop at the deadline.

    3B: Middlebrooks will likely play more than 75 games.  Even if his averages slip a little, this will be a big net gain.

    OF: A combination of Gomes, Bradley (it's only a month, impatient ones), Ellsbury with a lot at stake, Victorino, Nava, and the Professor and Mary Ann to possibly replace Ellsbury, will still be a big improvement over last season's outfield, even taking into account the loss of Ross's power numbers.  This year's leftfield platoon will be enough to offset the loss of rightfield production, which Victorino makes up a bit for in defense and speed on the basepaths.   A net gain overall, with Ellsbury, JBJ, and the rest greatly besting a 2012 Ellsbury and company.

    C: I expect about the same from Salty with an overall slight net improvement with the addition of Ross.

    DH: OK glass-half-emptiers, you've got me here.  Even if Papi plays as many games, he will not likely come close to measuring up to last year's production.  A patchwork leftover from the Gilligan Island cast (see OF), maybe including Lava, might be it.  Not good.  Still, net gains overall at almost every position should offset the loss here by a lot.

    Conclusion: Gains almost everywhere and a watchable team.  Good for at least 15 more wins.  A lot of the money is tied up in placeholders until the calvary arrives in a couple of seasons.  Postseason and beyond is not likely, but still within the realm of possibility.  Some of the pieces may be flipped for futures.  While it's not a great return on investment, it is at least an investment and not inaction, which would result in watching something only slightly better than last season's post-trade AAA team.  I'm certainly not buying into Softy's hypothetical acquistions of what would never have happened in any seeming reality.

     

     



    BOOYAH! there it is sheriff!  +1.75

     
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    Re: 2013 Red Sox............No way Jose!

    In response to Sheriff-Rojas' comment:

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    Softlaw is usually ahead of the curve on these things, but I hope you're wrong this time.

     



    Of course, one is always ahead of the curve if they predict bad outcomes and some of the results come to fruition.  I can just as easily predict improvements in the performances of some players, and I will be correct sometimesalso.  Of course, Softy's world is a hypothetical one far removed from reality.  He boasts of transactions he advocated that would never have been made by the other GMs.  

     

    Now, if my money was riding on any of it, I wouldn't bet on the Red Sox winning more than 87 games.  What I would predict is the following for the staff:

    1. Both Lester's and Buchholz's performances will improve over last season.  At least one of them will improve significantly.  

    2. I'm not expecting too much from Dempster, and I was not crazy about this acquisition, but even still, he will outperform the 2012 Josh Beckett, although not by much.  Throw in Dice-K's hideous numbers (8.28 ERA; 1.71 WHIP) to make up the difference for the Beckett shortfall in outings and innings, and you have a decent gain overall.

    3. Even if Lackey gave us his 2010 numbers (4.40 ERA; 1.419 WHIP), which I predict he will best by a little, it will still be a significant improvement over a combination of Aaron Cook (5.65 ERA; 1.47 WHIP) and Daniel Bard (6.22 ERA; 1.74 WHIP).  

    4. Doubrant is a wash.  I predict his performance will even decline a little.  However, if he doesn't progress, the shortfall will made up by a pitcher to be inserted later, be that Morales, Tazawa, Aceves, one of the ex-Dodgers, or a player to be acquired.  In the end, performance in the slot should come out about even.

    5. All of the above will be bolstered by a deep and well-leveraged bullpen, which should easily adjust to underachievement or injuries to one or even a few.

    Conclusion: Pitching overall will improve significantly, especially under Farrell's leadership.  Last year's skipper was an absentee manager.  

    As far as offense:

    1B: Even with A-Gon's significant lead over Napoli in BA, A-Gon's OPS was .812 as a member of the Red Sox last season.  Ironically, Napoli's 2012 OPS was .812 also.  Playing in Fenway with a lot performance incentive, he will beat this.  Still, a loss in defense will offset these gains.  Overall, it's a wash.

    2B: Dusty is about as consistent as they get.  He was below career norms in OPS last season.  Expect a slight improvement.

    SS: Drew will return to career norms and beat Aviles's 2012 .663 OPS by at least 50 points. Not a significant upgrade on D, but a slight upgrade nontheless.  If Iggy emerges, Drew is gone.  Hopefully, someone badly needs a shortstop at the deadline.

    3B: Middlebrooks will likely play more than 75 games.  Even if his averages slip a little, this will be a big net gain.

    OF: A combination of Gomes, Bradley (it's only a month, impatient ones), Ellsbury with a lot at stake, Victorino, Nava, and the Professor and Mary Ann to possibly replace Ellsbury, will still be a big improvement over last season's outfield, even taking into account the loss of Ross's power numbers.  This year's leftfield platoon will be enough to offset the loss of rightfield production, which Victorino makes up a bit for in defense and speed on the basepaths.   A net gain overall, with Ellsbury, JBJ, and the rest greatly besting a 2012 Ellsbury and company.

    C: I expect about the same from Salty with an overall slight net improvement with the addition of Ross.

    DH: OK glass-half-emptiers, you've got me here.  Even if Papi plays as many games, he will not likely come close to measuring up to last year's production.  A patchwork leftover from the Gilligan Island cast (see OF), maybe including Lava, might be it.  Not good.  Still, net gains overall at almost every position should offset the loss here by a lot.

    Conclusion: Gains almost everywhere and a watchable team.  Good for at least 15 more wins.  A lot of the money is tied up in placeholders until the calvary arrives in a couple of seasons.  Postseason and beyond is not likely, but still within the realm of possibility.  Some of the pieces may be flipped for futures.  While it's not a great return on investment, it is at least an investment and not inaction, which would result in watching something only slightly better than last season's post-trade AAA team.  I'm certainly not buying into Softy's hypothetical acquistions of what would never have happened in any seeming reality.

     

     




    Well written post!  Agree 150%!

     
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    Re: 2013 Red Sox............No way Jose!

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    My glass is half full, Softy's is just completely empty. 

    I actually measure my glass and don't use general terms like "half empty and half full". The Red Sox 150 million dollar glass is leaking 50 million dollars a month. 



    You are such a Donny Downer

     
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    The misery that pours out of Softy's posts is amazing

    Reality doesn't sell well. You need to keep buying pie in the sky.



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXNl557kvsU

     
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    The misery that pours out of Softy's posts is amazing

    Reality doesn't sell well. You need to keep buying pie in the sky.

     



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXNl557kvsU

     



    Good one. I doubt very seriously if softlaw listens to Woody Guthrie though. Oh, and welcome back to the baseball forum devildavid.

     
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    The people on this forum who continuously complain about "Labor costs" and ripping the fans off are given the choice of not going to the games, buying merch, and overall not following the team or the sport. Not sure what all the constant whining is going to do.

     

     
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    I'm still in complete shock that Ben C. hasn't given Softy a call and offered him a job in the FO.  He obvioulsy is way more competent than the Sox Management. 

     
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    LETS Go RED Sox!

     
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    Re: 2013 Red Sox............No way Jose!

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    The people who have followed the team as far back as the sixties, they are correct in demanding more for their entertainment time and cost. To the extend that ownership keep going with the same management that delivers an unprofessional product, fans who invested time and money for many, many years have every right to get out of the sheep herd.



    Feel free to do just that immediately.

     
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    Re: 2013 Red Sox............No way Jose!

    Then why are you posting here?

     
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    In response to bald-predictions' comment:

    Softlaw is usually ahead of the curve on these things, but I hope you're wrong this time.



    Softlaw's only curve is downward... he is the epitomy of doom and gloom... Im not sure why he is even a fan because all he does is complain but Im sure he derives pleasure from it....

     
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    Then why are you posting here?



    Because this is his life.... sad but true!

     
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    In response to carnie's comment:

    Then why are you posting here?



    He's upset about the Red Sox.

    It makes him mad.

     

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