Re: 2013 SS
posted at 10/26/2012 12:49 AM EDT
I have a "self-righteous attitude," yet you continually post that "2013 is a bridge year," despite the fact that most of the intelligent posters on this board think that notion is ridiculous.
Have you done IQ tests on the posters who agree with you?
I certainly am not the only poster, Sox fan, or objective baseball fan that thinks this team needs way too much of an overhaul this winter to become a serious contender.
Yes, we could compete with a few savvy moves and a confluence of great years from marginal or inconsistent players, but I'll put my money on better chances in 2014.
I will root just as hard for a Sox ring in 2013 as any other year, but I don't see us turning around a 5.19 starter ERA with a coaching hire and a couple of overpaid FA pitcher signings.
You can come up with as many "scenarios" as you want, but the fact remains that there is no way that Shields will end up in Boston. Even Nick Cafardo, who gets paid to come up with "hypotheticals that make little sense," said in his column last week that there is obviously no way Tampa talks to Boston about Shields.
Is Nick one of the intelligent people you are talking about? The fact that he has been wrong about almost everything he ever writes is actually evidence in my favor.
Look, I said I do not think we will trade for Shields, but it is not as far-fetched as you make it out to be. By the way, have you seen how awful most TB players do after being traded? Perhaps dealing him to Boston would set us back a notch.
By the way, the Braves trade you propose is a joke if you are a Sox fan. Stick to stats, you are great at breaking them down, ignore Law and get back to being a Sox fan....
Tommy Hanson is a very good gamble. I bet there are many Braves fans that think my offer is too weak.
I'm a Sox fan that realizes we have a better shot at winning in 2014 than 2013. I think we can build enough to "compete" in 2013, but realistically 2014 and beyond is a more attainable goal.
I see some merit in thinking that having Ellsbury for 2013 vs not in 2014 shows a better chance to win next year more than 2014, but I think the infusion of youth in 2014 and beyond will far outweigh jacoby's value in 2013. Elssbury, in my opinion, has way more value to a team that will seriously contend for a 2013 ring, and who also values the attached comp draft pick. They will overpay in good prospects to get Jacoby, and we will gain in longerterm value, or we can trade some longerterm valu eprospects for a quality ML ready player under team control for 2014 and maybe 2015 as well.
And yes, "you're not getting it" is condescending. I get your point. I'm not an idiot. It won't be easy to get Shields from TB, but I do think an offer such as this might be enough:
Lava and Britton
Swihart and Owens
Vinicio and Jacobs
TW Lin and de la Cruz
Gomez, Sands, or T Shaw