2015 MLB Draft and what to do

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    As Moon stated in a previous thread, the Red Sox are not that far away from the 1st pick pick in next year's draft. Assuming the Red Sox can get closer to worse record, please draft the best power hitting collegiate player there is.


    Look at Kris Bryant in the Cubs system:


    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=bryant001kri


    Best power hitter from 2013 collegiate season.


     

     
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    No G.M. in the history of baseball has ever drafted for NEED with the first pick. 

    It doesn't work like that, didn't you know that?

    ....of course you didn't. 

     
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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2085268-mlb-mock-draft-2015-brs-official-early-predictions-for-next-years-top-10/page/7" rel="nofollow">http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2085268-mlb-mock-draft-2015-brs-official-early-predictions-for-next-years-top-10/page/7" rel="nofollow">http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2085268-mlb-mock-draft-2015-brs-official-early-predictions-for-next-years-top-10/page/7


    Early 2015 draft prediction from BR.  It says Sox pick a 2B Ian Happ from Cin with #6 overall.  5-10 tremendous athlete with potential power bat.  Sounds like a Red Sox player to me.  

     
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    Although I agree they should sign the best bat they will not. Plus who knows where will pick in July of 2013.... Plus Moon hasn't giving us the details of the top 30 players yet

     
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    Any player drafted in 2015 likely wont contribute to 2018-2020... By then we could have a powerhouse offense and the leagues worst pitching.  The premise of the OP is irrational 

     
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    If we draft a college player, he could be in the bigs by 2017.

    1st or 2nd overall picks have a better shot at rising quickly.

    Sox4ever

     
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    If we draft a college player, he could be in the bigs by 2017.


    1st or 2nd overall picks have a better shot at rising quickly.


    Sox4ever




    That would be a best case scenario, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that even if someone got there by 2017 they might struggle for a year.  The needs of 2018 Sox are different than this current team, drafting for need is stupid. What if the college bats stink next year??? If someone of Kris Bryants profile is sitting there at the top then yes but we have no ideal where we will pick nor what the top of the draft will look like.

     
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    If we draft a college player, he could be in the bigs by 2017.


    1st or 2nd overall picks have a better shot at rising quickly.


    Sox4ever


     
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    The following college bats were taken in the top ten over the last 5 years (excluding 2014)


    Kris Bryant


    Colin Moran


    Mike Zunnino


    Albert Almora


    Anthony Rendon


    Cory Spangenberg


    Chris Colon


    Michael CHoice


    Dustin Ackley


    Jorge Sanchez.


     


    That's 8 guys who've had at least 2 years to reach the majors and honestly only ONE!!!!!!!!! of them looks like an above average player in the MLB right now; Anthony Rendon.  And to be fair, the Sox have a horrible track record with college bats as well. 

     
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    Any player drafted in 2015 likely wont contribute to 2018-2020... By then we could have a powerhouse offense and the leagues worst pitching.  The premise of the OP is irrational 



    You are so wrong. If you draft a top collegiate player, they could be in the big leagues by 2017. Kris Bryant who the Cubs drafted last year and signed at the last date possible is major league ready now. The Cubs don't want to start the clock now. His OPS at Tennessee was 1.165 and so far at Iowa, he's hitting .365 with an even higher OPS, so your comment of someone drafted in 2015 won't be ready until 2018-2020 is hogwash.

     
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    If we draft a college player, he could be in the bigs by 2017.

     

    1st or 2nd overall picks have a better shot at rising quickly.

     

    Sox4ever

     

     



    That would be a best case scenario, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that even if someone got there by 2017 they might struggle for a year.  The needs of 2018 Sox are different than this current team, drafting for need is stupid. What if the college bats stink next year??? If someone of Kris Bryants profile is sitting there at the top then yes but we have no ideal where we will pick nor what the top of the draft will look like.

     



    Disagree with you my man. The Sox would be foolish to draft another pitcher next year.

     
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    Reference my last post.  And lookup the track record of college bats.  All this is pointless regardless. 2 years is possible but more often than not its taken college bats longer, just do the research yourself if you dont believe me.

     

    besides in a few years the sox could have traded for a few big bats, signed a few big bats or had a guy or two emerge from the farm.  This team will look completely different in 3 years.  Theres a reason teams dont draft for need, and when they do its much more broader than that.  The Sox take pitchers because a.) they are more comfortable developing pitchers and have a good track record and b.) pitchers are a more sought after commodity.

     

    listen if we are sitting here next year with a top 5 pick and one of the best players on the board is a college bat Im ALL FOR IT, but i dont think going into the draft saying "we have to take a college bat" is a viable strategy.

     
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    In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:

    The following college bats were taken in the top ten over the last 5 years (excluding 2014)

     

    Kris Bryant

     

    Colin Moran

     

    Mike Zunnino

     

    Albert Almora

     

    Anthony Rendon

     

    Cory Spangenberg

     

    Chris Colon

     

    Michael CHoice

     

    Dustin Ackley

     

    Jorge Sanchez.

     

     

     

    That's 8 guys who've had at least 2 years to reach the majors and honestly only ONE!!!!!!!!! of them looks like an above average player in the MLB right now; Anthony Rendon.  And to be fair, the Sox have a horrible track record with college bats as well. 



    Wrong again.

    Kris Bryant was drafted in 2013 and didn't sign until July 12, 2013. He should be up now, but the Cubs don't want to start his clock because he's a Boras client. He'd hit right now at the major league level. 

     

    Mike Zunino - If you think he's not an above average catcher, you had better check again. He has 13 HR and 34 RBI's and look at the Mariners pitching staff (Felix, Iwakuma, Elias, Chris Young). Do you think he has anything to do with their success this year?

    Albert Almora - Drafted as a HIGH SCHOOL player in 2012, so take him off list.

    Colin Moran - Drafted last year at age 20. 1 year in college.

    Anthony Rendon - All star worthy. One of better all around players in NL

    Spangenberg - Drafted in 2011 and doing well in AA now. You can consider him college, but he played JC for a year.

    Colon - Fits your category. Drafted 4 years ago.

    Choice - struggling this year. Played one year in college.

    Sanchez - Doing just fine as the Pirates back up catcher.

    Make sure your data is correct when you put this together. Almora never played in college and a few of them either went to JC or didn't last long in college.

     
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    I just hope we blow this team up for the best possible return THIS year, and then try to loose the rest of the games of these season to guarantee that first pick. I've already deleted the Sox from the Tivo ...

     
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    The following college bats were taken in the top ten over the last 5 years (excluding 2014)

     

    Kris Bryant

     

    Colin Moran

     

    Mike Zunnino

     

    Albert Almora

     

    Anthony Rendon

     

    Cory Spangenberg

     

    Chris Colon

     

    Michael CHoice

     

    Dustin Ackley

     

    Jorge Sanchez.

     

     

     

    That's 8 guys who've had at least 2 years to reach the majors and honestly only ONE!!!!!!!!! of them looks like an above average player in the MLB right now; Anthony Rendon.  And to be fair, the Sox have a horrible track record with college bats as well. 



    Wrong again.

    Kris Bryant was drafted in 2013 and didn't sign until July 12, 2013. He should be up now, but the Cubs don't want to start his clock because he's a Boras client. He'd hit right now at the major league level. 

     

    Mike Zunino - If you think he's not an above average catcher, you had better check again. He has 13 HR and 34 RBI's and look at the Mariners pitching staff (Felix, Iwakuma, Elias, Chris Young). Do you think he has anything to do with their success this year?

    Albert Almora - Drafted as a HIGH SCHOOL player in 2012, so take him off list.

    Colin Moran - Drafted last year at age 20. 1 year in college.

    Anthony Rendon - All star worthy. One of better all around players in NL

    Spangenberg - Drafted in 2011 and doing well in AA now. You can consider him college, but he played JC for a year.

    Colon - Fits your category. Drafted 4 years ago.

    Choice - struggling this year. Played one year in college.

    Sanchez - Doing just fine as the Pirates back up catcher.

    Make sure your data is correct when you put this together. Almora never played in college and a few of them either went to JC or didn't last long in college.



    Any response Hugh?

     
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    Oh so wait...you want college guys that were drafted as Jr's or Sr???? listen my whole point was first of all you don't draft by need.  Find me ONE, ONE JUST ONE scout, G.M. or baseball analysis who is respected who talks about a team drafting for MLB needs.  Secondly I said it doesn't always take guys 2 years to reach the majors and when they do they often struggle for a year or two so even when they do we are talking about a guy who is realistically 4 years away from being a productive member of the lineup are their exceptions??? yes there are.   Yes a few of those guys were JR. college guys but most college draftees are Juniors, so you are talking about drafting someone with ONE!!! ONE!! more year of college experience. Lets look at the numbers. 


    Kris Bryant = stud, still not there. don't use his college ops. 99% of the pitchers he faces will never see the MLB let alone the minors


    Colin Moran - should be MLB next year right? pedestrian in single A. 739 OPS 40/19 K/BB ehhh.


    2012 Mike Zunino fits your model, was bad defensively but better this year behind the plate.  OFfensive number = .217/.271/.435 power is up this year but still batting .217 with 90 K's to only 11 BB's that's a pretty horrible stat line


    2011



    Anthony Rendon - fits your model, not all star type but a productive good player 


    Corey Spandenberg - I didn't know we were doing college seniors only, he played for two different colleges by the way he was a sophmore.  Most college top guys are at least juniors I'm giving you ONE year here.  Still it's been 3 yeras and he is only in AA. he is a decent prospect though, 1 year younger than your typical college draftee


    Cris Colon - redundant. took 4 years just called up.


    Michael Choice -HS'er my mistake.


    2009


    Dustin Ackley - Took 2 years to reach majors, after a decent rookie season has put up very pedestrian numbers. OPS has been .622/.660/.634 since his rookie campaign.  strikes out more than he walks, no power no speed.


    Jorge Sanchez took FOUR years to reach the majors and has been an up/down player.  .258/.303/.386 slash line with a 15% CS% 14% this year.  Not a good player


    2008


    Pedro Alvarez - took 2 years to reach the majors, but has been lackluster, has power but nothing else.  He struck out 199 times to only 61 walks his first two years. And didn't get consistant playing time until his 4th year.  Since then he has put up AVG's of .244/.234/.240 OBP's .317/.296/.307 and strikes out TON leading the league with 186 one year


    Brian Matusz - opps he's a pitcher


    Buster Posey - You got me there. took a year to get to the majors, immediate stud. we have found one!!!


    Yonder Alonso - 2 years to reach majors. was awful first year. 3rd year was called up at the end of the year and batted .943 OPS in less than 100 at bats. His OPS dipped to .741 the next year and has gone down every year...very average player. No speed, no power, ok defense at a position not coveted for defense. 


    Gordan Beckham took 1 year to reach the majors, had a decent rookie campaign and that has been his best year.  with sub .700 OPS every year since. not a good player


    Jason Castro - Got to the majors quick, took 4 years to be an everday catcher, realistically he's had one good year. His defense is adequate but not stellar.


    2007


    Matt Weiters  - reached the majors quick in two years and put up pedestrian numbers, by his 3rd year in the majors he reached an all star level of performance...again he didn't hit the ground running. Rookie campaign was decent, had a sophmore slump but didn't become the player he was today until a few years.  We can call him a wash between us. 


    Matt Laporta - took 2 years to reach but has been no better than a bench guy. 


    2006 


    Even Longoria - there ya go...there's one. 


    Drew Stubbs - 3 years to reach, 4 to be an everyday player. Low Average, low walks, strikes out a ton.  a little bit of pop and some good speed however. at 29 years old may be having his best season.


     


    yes there are a few gems in there... but like I said not every college bat that reaches the majors in two years is going to be a productive one, and still a lot of those guys don't end up being any good.  I'm not saying we shouldn't get a college bat.  But saying that we MUST draft one is just completely illogical.  There is absolutely ZERO guarantee we are getting the next Kris Bryant....we could also be getting the next Matt Laporta. 


    Again with the exception of guys like Posey and Longoria...most college bats don't get to the majors quick AND produce right away.


    realistically lets say we draft a guy in 2015, we should expect him there everyday productive by 2018.  This team is going to have so much turn over from now until then.  With almost every contract but Pedey's off the books by then, multiple free agents will have been signed, players traded, rookies coming into their own.  The outfield will probably not even be a team need by then.  Drafting now, for what we need now....is just plain wrong and is not how teams operate.   

     
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    Yeah....there's your response. 

     
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    In two years Devers will be knocking balls out of the park on a regular basis. He may not be the guy everyone was looking at, but he is a stud in the making. Also JBJ, Bogey, and Betts will have matured into where their bodies need to be at to compete at this level and they will have seen everything pitchers will have to throw at them, baseball is a game of adjustments and in two years these kids will have made all the necessary adjustments.

     
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    In two years Devers will be knocking balls out of the park on a regular basis. He may not be the guy everyone was looking at, but he is a stud in the making. Also JBJ, Bogey, and Betts will have matured into where their bodies need to be at to compete at this level and they will have seen everything pitchers will have to throw at them, baseball is a game of adjustments and in two years these kids will have made all the necessary adjustments.



    The Dude is 17 in the GCL...he's playing against 17 and 18 year olds.  He's playing at a level of competition where everyone would either be a senior in highschool or a freshman in college. 99% of the pitchers he is facing will never see the MLB let alone double A.  the list of 19 year olds who make the majors is a very very very very very very very very very very very short one.  Saying Devers will reach the league by 19 when he hasn't even taken one at bat in single A is just wrong. you are wrong mister!!!!!

     
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    Choice played for three years at UT-Arlington. 

     
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    And spangenberg played 2 not one.  And these are top rated college players who virtually ALWAYS get drafted JR. Year.  Off the top of my head I cant remember the last time a college hitter didn't sign his junior year and went back for his senior year. 

     
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    Cat got ya tongue?

     
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    Yeah....there's your response. 




    Hugh - Castro took four years to make it, but how many catchers take less? Varitek? Vasquez? Swihart? Teams don't rush catchers.

     
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    I'd take the best player regardless of position. If it's a coin toss between two players, sure I'd go with offense this time around. Our 2nd round pick will be pretty high as well, and we may get a comp pick or two as well.

    Living near Houston now, I'm watching George Springer tear up the league. He was picked 11th in 2011. He basically spent 2 full years in the minors (and part of this year), and many here felt he should have been brought up earlier, but management wanted to extend their control years.

    The hacked Astros files states the Astros turned down a Springer and Correa for Stanton deal. Interesting. Also, evidence that the Marlins are smoke screening the whole "Stanton is not on the block" deal.

    Sox4ever

     
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    Yeah....there's your response. 




    Hugh - Castro took four years to make it, but how many catchers take less? Varitek? Vasquez? Swihart? Teams don't rush catchers.



    Really??? that's your response??? you take one guy and try to invalidate my argument off of that entire list?  My whole point was you don't know what you're going to get.  You could draft Evan Longoria or you could draft Laporta.  I just went down the list of every player drafted out of college recently to show you that most guys usually don't become productive players right away and struggle at first, you don't have to look much further from our own rookies let alone the guys on this list to understand that.

    For the record, I agree that it take much longer to develop catchers.  They have so much more to focus on defensively that it takes more time.  But their is always an exception to the rule, but if I wanted to be like you I would just point out Buster Posey, who coincidentally is on the list.  If I wanted to be narrow minded and cling to my point (a point I'm not making) I could just say we need to draft a catcher who can hit and get to the majors immediately and because Buster Posey did it that they should all be like that.....but it doesn't work that way.  You can't argue the exception and not the rule when making an argument. 

    Drafting for MLB needs today, is dumb.  I said it before I'll say it again.  Everyone knows that for the most part. What if the two guys available to us with the pick were the second coming of Kershaw, and the second coming of Laporta.  If we thought and knew Kershaw was the better talent would we not be better off drafting him??? you could trade him in 2-3 years for 2-3 players better than Laporta.  You never go into a draft and handcuff yourself by saying "we have to take the best college bat available" NEVER.  

     
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